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Post by stevehorn on Oct 22, 2019 9:33:44 GMT -5
We all have preferences in who we want in a lineup. That is an opinion and preference. I was at several UT games away and at home this year so I am speaking from my experience and what I saw consistently. I spoke about this issue before in another recruiting thread. Basically, there are programs who recruit from local clubs because their college coach is also a club coach for local team - serious conflict of interest at several colleges. There are also instances of recruiting players from only National Champion team or clubs or only State winning schools. As a team they are better, but there are actually better players across the spectrum. Get the best performers is what I advocate not just because they won state championship or Nationals. Look at the top 10 teams across all competition - both at Gold and Silver levels in club.
For instance, if I recruited a player I would review the recruits previous competition and history. Who has that player faced and how well did they perform against those other top recruits? Is the district weak or strong? OR taking recruiting a player from state winning California or Texas vs state winning Arkansas? There are factors not considered as detailed as they should be. I want a player that performs at top competitions at both hs and club. I've seen hs players do well but fail at club competition and vice versa. Public school / Private school stars who are non-factor in club or good in club but mediocre at tough hs districts (ex. N. Dallas Area).
Take a look at Baylor vs UT roster and you will see what I mean. You will see more of the well-known players at UT upon entering collegiate level vs Baylor. Wednesday will demonstrate which method works in this instance for 2019. This is no disrespect to the back row, but it is my feeling on a stronger future. I will remove any specific just to confirm.
BTW other player is 2021 not 2020.
Since it appears you are complaining about our backrow recruiting, it actually is the opposite of the point you seem to be trying to make. Our backrow is not highly recruited players. Peterson was a very good high school player, but she wasn't highly ranked. Our remaining L/DS players were walk-on recruits and again not highly rated.
The problem someone was trying to explain to you is the scholarship situation in 2021. We will have at least two L/DS on scholarship that year - Peterson and Iosia. Normally we just have one which is similar to most programs. We also most likely just have one available scholarship in the 2021 class and likely that ship would be better used at another position for that class.
If you desired player wants to walk on, I suspect we would take her.
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Post by horns1 on Oct 22, 2019 10:03:43 GMT -5
Our scholarship allocation has definitely started changing over the last 2 seasons or so, and probably not by plan. This year, it seems like we have 3 setters on scholarship; that has to be a first. And, next season, we will have 2 backrow players on scholarship, and that might be a first (as far as 4-year scholarships). Granted, that causes us to be thin with depth at OH or MB, but roster management is constant.
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Post by esneed on Oct 22, 2019 10:09:41 GMT -5
Another player I was hoping to get was Paige Flickinger. She checks off level of HS competition, Club competition, club affiliation, accolades, etc. Was she ever considered? playeroftheyear.gatorade.com/winner/paige-flickinger/36963 - I know too late at this point based on her LSU commitment. How do these Texas based girls get missed when they're literally in your backyard is my real concern.
Priority is getting hitters and DS who can pass with great efficiency. If I had to game plan against UT, I would attack the OH in the back row first. Baylor has done this and I suspect they will do this to UT Wednesday. BTW, Stanford has similar issue. Great hitter in Plummer but if teams were smart, they'd attack Plummer while she's in the back row because her passing is questionable at times. Attack those OH low like her and you will see immediate kills.
Get star players who can BOTH score and defend. Two girls I mentioned checks those off for offense and defense. There's few players you can find here in Texas 6A Region District 5, 9 and 15.
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Post by horns1 on Oct 22, 2019 10:26:03 GMT -5
Another player I was hoping to get was Paige Flickinger. She checks off level of HS competition, Club competition, club affiliation, accolades, etc. Was she ever considered? playeroftheyear.gatorade.com/winner/paige-flickinger/36963 - I know too late at this point based on her LSU commitment. How do these Texas based girls get missed when they're literally in your backyard is my real concern.
Priority is getting hitters and DS who can pass with great efficiency. If I had to game plan against UT, I would attack the OH in the back row first. Baylor has done this and I suspect they will do this to UT Wednesday. BTW, Stanford has similar issue. Great hitter in Plummer but if teams were smart, they'd attack Plummer while she's in the back row because her passing is questionable at times. Attack those OH low like her and you will see immediate kills.
Get star players who can BOTH score and defend.
As Coach Elliott has said, we can't sign every player in Texas. There have been, and will be, hits and misses in recruiting, whether they are in-state or out-of-state players. No reason for you to be concerned.
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Post by stevehorn on Oct 22, 2019 10:29:51 GMT -5
Our scholarship allocation has definitely started changing over the last 2 seasons or so, and probably not by plan. This year, it seems like we have 3 setters on scholarship; that has to be a first. And, next season, we will have 2 backrow players on scholarship, and that might be a first (as far as 4-year scholarships). Granted, that causes us to be thin with depth at OH or MB, but roster management is constant. I've read from some credible sources that Gabriel is actually not on scholarship this year (or at least this semester). If accurate, that means we have 3 L/DS on ship and 2 setters instead of 3 setters and 2 L/DS. In either case, it's two more at that combination of positions than we typically have.
I would say one was caused by Sun transferring, then her replacement Luketic leaving and no replacement this year. It might have been the plan to have one of Hahn/Rousanville on ship as a senior. Quite possible since we originally were bring in three front row players this year (Eggleston, Fields, Phillips), so Elliott may have been wanting to wait until the 2020 class to bring in more front row players.
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Post by stevehorn on Oct 22, 2019 12:00:38 GMT -5
Another player I was hoping to get was Paige Flickinger. She checks off level of HS competition, Club competition, club affiliation, accolades, etc. Was she ever considered? playeroftheyear.gatorade.com/winner/paige-flickinger/36963 - I know too late at this point based on her LSU commitment. How do these Texas based girls get missed when they're literally in your backyard is my real concern.
Priority is getting hitters and DS who can pass with great efficiency. If I had to game plan against UT, I would attack the OH in the back row first. Baylor has done this and I suspect they will do this to UT Wednesday. BTW, Stanford has similar issue. Great hitter in Plummer but if teams were smart, they'd attack Plummer while she's in the back row because her passing is questionable at times. Attack those OH low like her and you will see immediate kills.
Get star players who can BOTH score and defend. Two girls I mentioned checks those off for offense and defense. There's few players you can find here in Texas 6A Region District 5, 9 and 15.
Your post tends to leave the opinion that you haven't done much homework on UT's 2020 recruiting class. Check out Melanie Parra. She has every skill you're wanting, plus has demonstrated it against some of the best in the world and not just against high school players.
Also be careful putting too much stock into high school accolades. Those are almost entirely based on the school season without any consideration of club play. Many of these are chosen based on stats and not potential at the next level.
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Post by esneed on Oct 22, 2019 12:14:58 GMT -5
Another player I was hoping to get was Paige Flickinger. She checks off level of HS competition, Club competition, club affiliation, accolades, etc. Was she ever considered? playeroftheyear.gatorade.com/winner/paige-flickinger/36963 - I know too late at this point based on her LSU commitment. How do these Texas based girls get missed when they're literally in your backyard is my real concern.
Priority is getting hitters and DS who can pass with great efficiency. If I had to game plan against UT, I would attack the OH in the back row first. Baylor has done this and I suspect they will do this to UT Wednesday. BTW, Stanford has similar issue. Great hitter in Plummer but if teams were smart, they'd attack Plummer while she's in the back row because her passing is questionable at times. Attack those OH low like her and you will see immediate kills.
Get star players who can BOTH score and defend. Two girls I mentioned checks those off for offense and defense. There's few players you can find here in Texas 6A Region District 5, 9 and 15.
Your post tends to leave the opinion that you haven't done much homework on UT's 2020 recruiting class. Check out Melanie Parra. She has every skill you're wanting, plus has demonstrated it against some of the best in the world and not just against high school players.
Also be careful putting too much stock into high school accolades. Those are almost entirely based on the school season without any consideration of club play. Many of these are chosen based on stats and not potential at the next level.
The only player I've reviewed for 2020 was Iosia so you are correct; however, I've been to several games this year at home and away and the holes are evident. This is why I was focused on players with defensive ability as a hitter and obviously DS with offensive output. I saw Coach on several occasion be so frustrated with the defensive errors that he became so livid. The Rice game in first couple of set was an obvious one. He doesn't get animated much mind you. My posts are point out Texas area players, districts, and overall wealth of talents. If you read my posts, I outlined the criteria of intems of interest in players: the districts of high-level competition (ex N Dallas), top-level club players in Gold/Silver, and output (game changers for high-level hs and club). Go watch the quarterfinals in the State match up in November in Dallas and you will see how much better the plays are than the UT/Tech game as an example. The errors are less, the kills are more powerful, serve receive are better, serving is better, etc. The major difference? Overall height! That's it. Just watch and you will see.
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Post by hornshouse23 on Oct 22, 2019 12:23:24 GMT -5
Someone missed their calling as a recruiting coordinator at TX
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Post by esneed on Oct 22, 2019 12:31:58 GMT -5
Same thinking says Baylor players are more balanced offensive/defensively as individuals than UT players and Wednesday game will show that. UT hitting and blocking needs to step it up. I know it's difficult for you to see beyond the limited vision but try.
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Post by eotexas5 on Oct 22, 2019 12:54:14 GMT -5
Same thinking says Baylor players are more balanced offensive/defensively as individuals than UT players and Wednesday game will show that. UT hitting and blocking needs to step it up. I know it's difficult for you to see beyond the limited vision but try. UT is currently leading the nation in hitting percentage...but yes, I agree, they definitely need to be on Brazil's and China's level!
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Post by horns1 on Oct 22, 2019 13:04:13 GMT -5
Seems like 2 or 3 threads where esneed constantly talks down Texas left and right . . .
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Post by eotexas5 on Oct 22, 2019 13:08:07 GMT -5
Seems like 2 or 3 threads where esneed constantly talks down Texas left and right . . . tbh at this point, they should make a thread for Nebraska fans just to sh*t talk Texas, my god. "I'm not even a Nebraska fan..." response in 3...2...1....
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Post by esneed on Oct 22, 2019 13:11:13 GMT -5
Seems like 2 or 3 threads where esneed constantly talks down Texas left and right . . . I am a Texas fan. I see where the holes are and wish for them to be fixed. The negatives needs to be discussed too for the program to elevate. Simple as that. Don't let your love for Texas blind you. I'm here to state facts and hope of fixes, not give them participation awards. Just because I think Baylor will win Wednesday does not make me a hater. I just think they're more balanced.
Now tell me your thoughts on what Texas needs to fix.
It's a matter of fixing the weakest link.
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Post by horns1 on Oct 22, 2019 13:17:29 GMT -5
Seems like 2 or 3 threads where esneed constantly talks down Texas left and right . . . I am a Texas fan. I see where the holes are and wish for them to be fixed. The negatives needs to be discussed too for the program to elevate. Simple as that. Don't let your love for Texas blind you. I'm here to state facts and hope of fixes, not give them participation awards. Just because I think Baylor will win Wednesday does not make me a hater.
Now tell me your thoughts on what Texas needs to fix.
It's a matter of fixing the weakest link.
Do you think you are the first poster to come on here and wants to focus on Texas' weak points? Get in line. And, posters on here discussing negatives is fine, but don't be naïve to think that discussion here changes anything within the program.
But, this thread is to discuss Texas' recruiting. Doesn't do much good to lament the players who aren't at Texas right now, or who aren't coming in the future. All but one scholarship is accounted for come the next two recruiting classes.
If you want to come on here and focus on the players Texas SHOULD have pursued, go for it. That seems to be your agenda here.
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Post by esneed on Oct 22, 2019 13:20:26 GMT -5
And that's what I am doing. You are the one crying out here. I'm stating program wishes. Same team man.
You must be the ONE actually part of the butt hurt recruiting team.
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