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Post by redbeard2008 on Sept 12, 2013 13:46:14 GMT -5
Volleyball has an inherent problem, however. 25 pts is the right # for a game, but 3-0 is way too quick for a match. So make them play 5 sets, and have 5-0 sweeps? Who would want to watch that (other than me)? How about one set to 100? I know, don't give them any ideas... Or play two halves with the team scoring the most points the winner. Seems to work for most other team sports.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2013 13:59:35 GMT -5
But there's a clock.
You don't want a clock in volleyball.
If you play to 40 in the first half and to 80 for the match (or whatever), you still have the problem of 80-16 matches (to be extreme). Who wants to watch that? That was the advantage of sideout scoring. Good games were longer. Bad ones were shorter.
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Post by ugopher on Sept 12, 2013 14:16:06 GMT -5
I heard that in conjunction with lower scoring to 21/set, they are looking at a best of 8 format. But as stand states, who wants to watch a 5-0 sweep?
I still don't understand why they feel the fifth set should only go to 15. Other than "great, we are tied at end of 4 sets. Let's get this over quickly."
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Post by vbcoltrane on Sept 12, 2013 14:26:21 GMT -5
I heard that in conjunction with lower scoring to 21/set, they are looking at a best of 8 format. But as stand states, who wants to watch a 5-0 sweep? I still don't understand why they feel the fifth set should only go to 15. Other than "great, we are tied at end of 4 sets. Let's get this over quickly." I'd think best of 7 (first to 4) would be better than best of 9. Reagrdless, like tennis, you just can't standardize the length of a VB match as much as you may want to. Marathon grind fests and incredibly quick blowouts are always a possibility. Unrelated, I always thought the last set, if not the same length (which makes perfect sense), should be longer, not shorter.
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Sept 12, 2013 14:26:58 GMT -5
There was a great paper by Gil Fellingham that looked at alternate approaches, including, IIRC, the first to 75 points.
The cool thing is that winning pct was a direct function of point pct, by the exact same relationship that's used in Pablo.
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Post by redbeard2008 on Sept 12, 2013 14:27:21 GMT -5
But there's a clock. You don't want a clock in volleyball. If you play to 40 in the first half and to 80 for the match (or whatever), you still have the problem of 80-16 matches (to be extreme). Who wants to watch that? That was the advantage of sideout scoring. Good games were longer. Bad ones were shorter. Or four quarters to 25, with halftime after the second quarter. For lop-sided matches, have a run-rule like in softball - any team ahead by 20 or more points by the end of the third quarter would be declared the winner. If tied after four quarters - overtime, first team to five, sideout scoring.
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Post by moody on Sept 12, 2013 14:42:45 GMT -5
Here's an idea. How about we play 3 out of 5 to 15 but the only team that can score is the serving team?
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Post by Phaedrus on Sept 12, 2013 14:44:50 GMT -5
Here's an idea. How about we play 3 out of 5 to 15 but the only team that can score is the serving team? Nah, that'll never work. You can run the danger of having one team fighting so hard siding out that you can drag a 15 point game out in to hours. Who'd want to see that!
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Post by moody on Sept 12, 2013 14:58:06 GMT -5
Here's an idea. How about we play 3 out of 5 to 15 but the only team that can score is the serving team? Nah, that'll never work. You can run the danger of having one team fighting so hard siding out that you can drag a 15 point game out in to hours. Who'd want to see that! and we all know how rally score has made the game so TV friendly it's hard to decide which match to watch.
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Post by Coach John on Sept 12, 2013 15:11:05 GMT -5
It is time to ignore the FIVB. It's that what NCAA women's volleyball largely does? ;-)
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Post by Coach John on Sept 12, 2013 15:20:27 GMT -5
By the way, FIVB is looking at potentially messing with more than just the scoring. You can read about them and some of the opinions going around in this article (which links to a few others).
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Post by HeyHey on Sept 12, 2013 15:49:15 GMT -5
It is time to ignore the FIVB. +1000
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Post by rogero1 on Sept 12, 2013 16:10:23 GMT -5
It would be interesting to analyze how many scoring swings there are in a 30-pt, 25-pt, and 21-pt match. It is the team on the upswing at the end of a set that often wins. On the other hand, play every set to 15, with the first to win 5 sets (out of 8) the winner. Call it Blitz Volleyball... Is it best 4 out of 7 or 5 out of 9? I though I heard a proposal for best out of 7 to 21 pts. More commercial ops per set this way. Have to be able to pay to get volleyball on TV.
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Post by karellen on Sept 12, 2013 16:25:32 GMT -5
The story I saw said if 21 points was adopted, all 5 games would be to 21.
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Post by VBCOACH on Sept 12, 2013 19:27:43 GMT -5
Here's an idea. How about we play 3 out of 5 to 15 but the only team that can score is the serving team? Nah, that'll never work. You can run the danger of having one team fighting so hard siding out that you can drag a 15 point game out in to hours. Who'd want to see that! ME!
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