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Post by spikeninja on Apr 23, 2014 11:03:12 GMT -5
Not here to bash on Trish at all, but she couldn't even survive at Missouri Southern. West Plains was a good gig as long as you could bring in Internationals to play for a year or two, get decent grades, and move on. She wasn't able to do that at Tech or Southern which is why she was nothing more than a small blip on the radar. I am not defending Trish but am defending the two-year college coach. Any thought given they cannot coach because of being at a two-year is wrong. Bahner will have to step up her game and meet the demands and expectations of the job. She did this at Cowley and has proven she can coach x's and o's and recruit consistently. She did not rely on elite internationals but did have some. Trish clearly did not meet the demands or expectations at Tech and Southern. That is on Trish. The ability to adapt to your current situation is important. There are plenty of examples of coaches struggling to meet the new demands and expectations at their new position. This is a multi-level problem. Coaching changes are becoming so common in volleyball now. It is creating a higher level of scrutiny for the job and so we have more examples of struggle and failure. No discrediting some valid points here....but I do chuckle a bit at the "X's and O's" comment. Sorry folks, this game is not hard from the tactical standpoint. It's become a statistical/percentages game. It isn't that hard to figure out anymore, and the rule changes have dumbed it down to really make it simple: the team with the better athletes win more than they lose. And since the NCAA, especially with the D2 Life in Balance movement several years ago, restricts the training and teaching time, its ALL about the recruiting. Do you have a school that is sellable or not? IMO...its not X's and O's, that's easy. It's recruiting, managing the psychology of Y Gen and their helicopter parents, and CYA with your administration.
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Post by CityTechLegend on Apr 23, 2014 11:40:04 GMT -5
If I said a Saint may become a sinner, would that be too abstruse? You mean obtuse?? No...there are more than enough options to figure that out.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2014 12:00:17 GMT -5
If I said a Saint may become a sinner, would that be too abstruse? You mean obtuse?? No...there are more than enough options to figure that out. Abstract, obtuse, abstruse? Which word are we going for here? obtuse=dull abstract=not specific abstruse=hard to understand abstruse sounds good to me.
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Post by oldman on Apr 23, 2014 12:26:00 GMT -5
NCAA cut out one week of training per year. If that is makes it all about recruiting then so be it .
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Post by utoolity on Apr 23, 2014 13:03:30 GMT -5
NCAA cut out one week of training per year. If that is makes it all about recruiting then so be it . And every four years, Fall sports festival, they cut another week with yet another NCAA blunder: Match up to the sports with the shorter seasons rather than extend those to match the 7 days longer volleyball season. NCAA quote "why would athletes want more time in their championship season and not less?"
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Post by sevb on Apr 23, 2014 13:23:09 GMT -5
NCAA cut out one week of training per year. If that is makes it all about recruiting then so be it . One week of teaching versus one week of competing are two very different animals... Yes learning and teaching occur all season... but there comes a point when match prep becomes more important. And life in the balance also effects Pre-Season and Spring.... 5 hours a day in Pre-Season... out of 24 hours... thats A LOT of wasted time... when it comes to a gun fight - You better have found the bigger gun! And to continue with analogies... You can whip, and spur, and push that donkey as hard as you want - it still wont win you the Kentucky Derby!!
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Post by vballgirl88 on Apr 23, 2014 13:57:06 GMT -5
If I said a Saint may become a sinner, would that be too abstruse? Is this a head coach or an assistant?
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Post by sevb on Apr 23, 2014 15:50:46 GMT -5
UNLV – Volunteer Assistant Coach for Women’s Volleyball The University of Nevada, Las Vegas (UNLV), an NCAA Division I Institution and Mountain West Conference member, is seeking applications for the position of Volunteer Assistant Coach for Women’s Volleyball. Responsibilities include but are not limited to: assist in video exchange and film editing, statistics, on-court coaching and playing, assist in camps, assist with day-to-day operations of a Division 1 volleyball program, and other duties as assigned by the Head Coach. Applications will be accepted until the position is filled. To apply please submit cover letter, resume, and three professional references to Russ.friedland@unlv.edu by May 23, 2014. Minimum Qualifications: Bachelor’s degree and playing experience preferred. University of Nevada, Las Vegas Las Vegas, NV 89154
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Post by setthehut12 on Apr 23, 2014 15:55:43 GMT -5
Trish is an outstanding coach... Mo Southern has been a revolving door for quite some time... her departure there is just one more on their list... Tech is another beast... I don't quite agree with you there, sevb. And it is VERY rare that I do question your opinion...but MSSU hasn't been a revolving door. Debbie Traywick and Chris Willis were there for 16 and 7 years, respectively. As we all know in the coaching world, that is beyond the norm. Trish came in after a very successful career at WP and a disappointing showing at Tech to hopefully turn things around. She couldn't get it done. Going winless in a season is not success. I do know as a coach that there are many different factors that determine a season...but Trish couldn't get it done. That, coupled with her "demeanor and attitude", did not make it the right fit. But to say that Southern has been a revolving door would be a little far fetched. Ok, back to regularly scheduled programming...and thank you to sevb for all your opinions/posts on the board![/quote]
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Post by jcash8 on Apr 23, 2014 15:56:11 GMT -5
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Post by sevb on Apr 23, 2014 16:17:13 GMT -5
Trish is an outstanding coach... Mo Southern has been a revolving door for quite some time... her departure there is just one more on their list... Tech is another beast... I don't quite agree with you there, sevb. And it is VERY rare that I do question your opinion...but MSSU hasn't been a revolving door. Debbie Traywick and Chris Willis were there for 16 and 7 years, respectively. As we all know in the coaching world, that is beyond the norm. Trish came in after a very successful career at WP and a disappointing showing at Tech to hopefully turn things around. She couldn't get it done. Going winless in a season is not success. I do know as a coach that there are many different factors that determine a season...but Trish couldn't get it done. That, coupled with her "demeanor and attitude", did not make it the right fit. But to say that Southern has been a revolving door would be a little far fetched. Ok, back to regularly scheduled programming...and thank you to sevb for all your opinions/posts on the board! [/quote] How many coaches has Mo Southern hired since 2009... And thank you for the kind words
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Post by oldman on Apr 23, 2014 18:42:03 GMT -5
NCAA cut out one week of training per year. If that is makes it all about recruiting then so be it . One week of teaching versus one week of competing are two very different animals... Yes learning and teaching occur all season... but there comes a point when match prep becomes more important. And life in the balance also effects Pre-Season and Spring.... 5 hours a day in Pre-Season... out of 24 hours... thats A LOT of wasted time... when it comes to a gun fight - You better have found the bigger gun! And to continue with analogies... You can whip, and spur, and push that donkey as hard as you want - it still wont win you the Kentucky Derby!! Before life in the balance I was rarely in the gym more that 5 hours in a day, way to much overuse injuries. In the old days I ran 3 a days. I have no idea how I did it. You get another hour off the court for some team building/mental training/film. D II gets the 3 preseason scrimmages which are great teaching moments that D I does not get. My spring season was not effected by LITB. Fall Festival is another week which really XXXXX but so let's get new bylaw that puts the week back in at the beginning on FF years. My AD is in favor of it. Success in college is generally about recruiting the best athletes. No argument here. There are many other threads on VT about this and usually include some comment about a bovine with extremely lengthy horns. Years when I have 3 or 4 hitters touching 10' I am a great coach. Years when I have outsides touching 9'5" I really xxxxx. I have had both.
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Post by jumboshrimp on Apr 23, 2014 18:50:40 GMT -5
SEVB, that question is simple and only supports Setthehut12. Trish, along with the bumbling AD, set this instability into motion. They were actually going to keep Trish after the O-fer season, but she couldn't help herself and got let go. Hiring the interim was a joke and was never considered a long term solution. It played out well for John, as he and the AD go back to their days at NAU. It's a good job in a tough conference and in the Region O Death. Best of luck to John and the Lions.
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Post by sevb on Apr 23, 2014 19:10:19 GMT -5
4 coaches in 5 yrs is way outside the norm for D2... I like Trisha and have for yrs... I think both assts that were hired were set up to fail (even if one was set to be an interim)... Def agree that the region is brutal... I believe that there were rumblings of them (mosouthern) looking at the GAC - but that wouldn't have helped the region (for now)... I wish the new coach the best... Joplin is a neat place - minus the F5 tornados that frequent the area... I've been on their campus and it's nice enough... I hope for all involved that the admins itchy finger gets some salve for the staff and their athletes!
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Post by sevb on Apr 23, 2014 19:15:30 GMT -5
One week of teaching versus one week of competing are two very different animals... Yes learning and teaching occur all season... but there comes a point when match prep becomes more important. And life in the balance also effects Pre-Season and Spring.... 5 hours a day in Pre-Season... out of 24 hours... thats A LOT of wasted time... when it comes to a gun fight - You better have found the bigger gun! And to continue with analogies... You can whip, and spur, and push that donkey as hard as you want - it still wont win you the Kentucky Derby!! Before life in the balance I was rarely in the gym more that 5 hours in a day, way to much overuse injuries. In the old days I ran 3 a days. I have no idea how I did it. You get another hour off the court for some team building/mental training/film. D II gets the 3 preseason scrimmages which are great teaching moments that D I does not get. My spring season was not effected by LITB. Fall Festival is another week which really XXXXX but so let's get new bylaw that puts the week back in at the beginning on FF years. My AD is in favor of it. Success in college is generally about recruiting the best athletes. No argument here. There are many other threads on VT about this and usually include some comment about a bovine with extremely lengthy horns. Years when I have 3 or 4 hitters touching 10' I am a great coach. Years when I have outsides touching 9'5" I really xxxxx. I have had both. My biggest beef with LITB is the structure (as it pertains to preseason). I agree that it's easy enough to put skill work into 5 hours... But you add strength and conditioning, team building, kumbaya, etc into that mix and then ADD the three hour minimum break between sessions and you end up chasing your tail. It's silly that the NCAA had to regulate to keep idiots from beating the piss out of their kids...
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