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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 20:09:38 GMT -5
I think that is quite a stretch to think Texas doesn't win the national championship without the contribution of Dalton. She had her moments as a freshman - positive and negative. Hopefully she will be one of those players you listed who develop into a top player. Same goes for Collins. Kocher was at the right place at the right time. It's too bad she could not be the type of leader to lead the team on the court. Of course following Moriarty wasn't easy. And McCage is a good example of a player who is developing into a top player - like Paolini. From one Texas fan to another..... I completely agree with you . I loved Kocher, she was always calm and collected but following Moriarty, that is tough. Following Moriarty? Kocher had an outstanding freshman year, leading her team to the national semifinals and setting three of her teammates to First Team All-America honors. It wasn't until Elliot screwed her in her sophomore and junior years that her confidence was affected. Kocher was an excellent setter that could have been great if not for the indecision and impatience of her coach.
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Jul 28, 2014 20:09:59 GMT -5
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Post by texasnewbie on Jul 28, 2014 20:09:59 GMT -5
Michelle Kocher was a leader on the court, while it was rough to follow Michelle Moriarty, Kocher took her duties and lead Texas to the final four in Nebraska as a freshman. I loved Kocher.
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Jul 28, 2014 20:13:24 GMT -5
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Post by texasnewbie on Jul 28, 2014 20:13:24 GMT -5
From one Texas fan to another..... I completely agree with you . I loved Kocher, she was always calm and collected but following Moriarty, that is tough. Following Moriarty? Kocher had an outstanding freshman year, leading her team to the national semifinals and setting three of her teammates to First Team All-America honors. It wasn't until Elliot screwed her in her sophomore and junior years that her confidence was affected. Kocher was an excellent setter that could have been great if not for the indecision and impatience of her coach. No I didn't mean anything ill towards Kocher, I am a huge fan of hers..... A gorgeous setter and a quiet leader. I was just saying following Moriarty was tough I'm sure, big shoes to fill but she ran with it. Even when Elliot screwed her because Allison could block pissed me off. I always remember Michelle opening up the offense when she was I ! I miss her.
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Post by elevationvb on Jul 28, 2014 20:23:46 GMT -5
Michelle Kocher was a leader on the court, while it was rough to follow Michelle Moriarty, Kocher took her duties and lead Texas to the final four in Nebraska as a freshman. I loved Kocher. Brooks?
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Post by elevationvb on Jul 28, 2014 20:35:19 GMT -5
I think that is quite a stretch to think Texas doesn't win the national championship without the contribution of Dalton. She had her moments as a freshman - positive and negative. Hopefully she will be one of those players you listed who develop into a top player. Same goes for Collins. When the opponent was targeting Eckerman and she was struggling with her serve receive, Elliott quickly subbed in Nichole Dalton to stabilize things. Pretty sure that happened several times in the tourney. So, I stand behind what I said regarding Dalton contributing during the title run. I think you are misremembering her play during the tourney. As a freshmen, she had her moments, but based on all the hype, she was a bit of a disappointment. Her serving was atrocious. Maybe she was hurting during the end of the season. I can't remember. We definitely need a healthy and effective Dalton in '14.
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Post by elevationvb on Jul 28, 2014 20:37:05 GMT -5
Following Moriarty? Kocher had an outstanding freshman year, leading her team to the national semifinals and setting three of her teammates to First Team All-America honors. It wasn't until Elliot screwed her in her sophomore and junior years that her confidence was affected. Kocher was an excellent setter that could have been great if not for the indecision and impatience of her coach. No I didn't mean anything ill towards Kocher, I am a huge fan of hers..... A gorgeous setter and a quiet leader. I was just saying following Moriarty was tough I'm sure, big shoes to fill but she ran with it. Even when Elliot screwed her because Allison could block pissed me off. I always remember Michelle opening up the offense when she was I ! I miss her. Well you got the "quiet" part right about Kocher.
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Jul 28, 2014 22:19:09 GMT -5
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Post by Longhorn20 on Jul 28, 2014 22:19:09 GMT -5
When the opponent was targeting Eckerman and she was struggling with her serve receive, Elliott quickly subbed in Nichole Dalton to stabilize things. Pretty sure that happened several times in the tourney. So, I stand behind what I said regarding Dalton contributing during the title run. I think you are misremembering her play during the tourney. As a freshmen, she had her moments, but based on all the hype, she was a bit of a disappointment. Her serving was atrocious. Maybe she was hurting during the end of the season. I can't remember. We definitely need a healthy and effective Dalton in '14.There were whole games she subbed in for Eckerman after she served during the tournament. I agree we don't pass near as well without and although it's a little bit of a stretch to say we don't win without her, I do agree we don't win without the improved ball control we had in the tournament. And she was a big part of that, along with Palmer stepping up hugely
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Post by elevationvb on Jul 28, 2014 22:22:42 GMT -5
I think you are misremembering her play during the tourney. As a freshmen, she had her moments, but based on all the hype, she was a bit of a disappointment. Her serving was atrocious. Maybe she was hurting during the end of the season. I can't remember. We definitely need a healthy and effective Dalton in '14. There were whole games she subbed in for Eckerman after she served during the tournament. I agree we don't pass near as well without and although it's a little bit of a stretch to say we don't win without her, I do agree we don't win without the improved ball control we had in the tournament. And she was a big part of that, along with Palmer stepping up hugely She didn't play much in the Oregon match, if at all. I think just a couple of sets against Michigan.
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Post by austex2010 on Jul 28, 2014 22:35:25 GMT -5
There were whole games she subbed in for Eckerman after she served during the tournament. I agree we don't pass near as well without and although it's a little bit of a stretch to say we don't win without her, I do agree we don't win without the improved ball control we had in the tournament. And she was a big part of that, along with Palmer stepping up hugely She didn't play much in the Oregon match, if at all. I think just a couple of sets against Michigan.She played all three sets for the USC game, I think 2-3 sets for Michigan, and the last set for Oregon. With bailey hitting about a 500 clip for the tournament, Elliott would bring in Nicole for passing and defense since Haley's back row attack was t needed.
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Post by southie on Jul 28, 2014 22:41:59 GMT -5
There were whole games she subbed in for Eckerman after she served during the tournament. I agree we don't pass near as well without and although it's a little bit of a stretch to say we don't win without her, I do agree we don't win without the improved ball control we had in the tournament. And she was a big part of that, along with Palmer stepping up hugely She didn't play much in the Oregon match, if at all. I think just a couple of sets against Michigan.Please just stop. It's as if you are going out of your way to down-play the contributions several players made during the tourney run. There was no one else with Nicole's ball control to bring in and stabilize things when Eckerman was struggling. She did her job, and did it very well so that Texas could run a good play and side out.
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Jul 28, 2014 23:03:44 GMT -5
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Post by texasnewbie on Jul 28, 2014 23:03:44 GMT -5
She didn't play much in the Oregon match, if at all. I think just a couple of sets against Michigan. Please just stop. It's as if you are going out of your way to down-play the contributions several players made during the tourney run. There was no one else with Nicole's ball control to bring in and stabilize things when Eckerman was struggling. She did her job, and did it very well so that Texas could run a good play and side out. +1000 Southie, it's not worth it, it meaning elevation !
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Post by elevationvb on Jul 28, 2014 23:06:13 GMT -5
She didn't play much in the Oregon match, if at all. I think just a couple of sets against Michigan. Please just stop. It's as if you are going out of your way to down-play the contributions several players made during the tourney run. There was no one else with Nicole's ball control to bring in and stabilize things when Eckerman was struggling. She did her job, and did it very well so that Texas could run a good play and side out. Look, you're the one who says Texas could not have won the national championship without the play of Dalton. I disagree. Her play in the semis and finals was not instrumental to winning the title. I don't have any problem with you feeling otherwise.
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Post by elevationvb on Jul 28, 2014 23:06:33 GMT -5
Please just stop. It's as if you are going out of your way to down-play the contributions several players made during the tourney run. There was no one else with Nicole's ball control to bring in and stabilize things when Eckerman was struggling. She did her job, and did it very well so that Texas could run a good play and side out. +1000 Southie, it's not worth it, it meaning elevation ! Brooks?
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Post by elevationvb on Jul 28, 2014 23:08:46 GMT -5
She didn't play much in the Oregon match, if at all. I think just a couple of sets against Michigan. She played all three sets for the USC game, I think 2-3 sets for Michigan, and the last set for Oregon. With bailey hitting about a 500 clip for the tournament, Elliott would bring in Nicole for passing and defense since Haley's back row attack was t needed. Agreed. She was a decent role player as a freshman.
But her play was not special or instrumental to winning the championship.
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Jul 28, 2014 23:11:25 GMT -5
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Post by Longhorn20 on Jul 28, 2014 23:11:25 GMT -5
There were whole games she subbed in for Eckerman after she served during the tournament. I agree we don't pass near as well without and although it's a little bit of a stretch to say we don't win without her, I do agree we don't win without the improved ball control we had in the tournament. And she was a big part of that, along with Palmer stepping up hugely She didn't play much in the Oregon match, if at all. I think just a couple of sets against Michigan.Also USC and Florida and did a tremendous job after Eckerman was being singled out on serve during the A&M set loss in the second round. She had a much bigger role than you make her out to have.
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