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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 11:51:20 GMT -5
Allison was perfectly capable of running a fast offense. However, Jerritt decided against it. She did was she was told to do. This part is true. The vertical advantage dictated the offense. But I was never a fan of Allison as a setter. Me either.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 12:04:01 GMT -5
Jerritt liked a high offense, but he didn't tell her to have horribly inconsistent placement. He didn't tell her to set a 5 three feet in from the pin on a perfectly good pass. He also didn't tell her to never improve the ball. She couldn't run a slow offense....how could she run one that was faster? Completely disagree with you on this one. I've seen her in person for years and have never seen anything to put TX in a position to win against top talent. Hitters made up for the substance she lacked. They won a title with her... You've NEVER seen her put her teammates in a position to win against top talent? Never improve the ball? Ever? That makes no sense, and isn't fair to her. And some would argue that locating a moonball perfectly is much more difficult than a quicker tempo set. I certainly would. The offense was not limited by Allison. It was limited by her pin attackers. She was a very highly recruited setter out of high school. She wasn't impressing coaches with her ability to throw the ball to the ceilings in convention centers. "HERES THE BALL, HITTERS. FIND IT IN THE LIGHTS." You also vastly overrate Eckerman and Webster's role. They weren't adjusting to garbage for three years, and miraculously happened to garner First-Team All-America honors despite the shortcomings of their awful setter. They aren't that talented. They needed Allison and she needed them. She was a very good collegiate setter, and a national champion. Give credit where credit is due. And don't forget that you had another setter very familiar with the Texas offense and very familiar with running a faster offense sitting on the bench for half Allison's career, yet Elliott still chose the kid who could set a higher ball better. The moon ball is definitely more difficult!
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Post by SportyBucky on Jul 30, 2014 12:04:41 GMT -5
Jerritt liked a high offense, but he didn't tell her to have horribly inconsistent placement. He didn't tell her to set a 5 three feet in from the pin on a perfectly good pass. He also didn't tell her to never improve the ball. She couldn't run a slow offense....how could she run one that was faster? Completely disagree with you on this one. I've seen her in person for years and have never seen anything to put TX in a position to win against top talent. Hitters made up for the substance she lacked. They won a title with her... You've NEVER seen her put her teammates in a position to win against top talent? Never improve the ball? Ever? That makes no sense, and isn't fair to her. And some would argue that locating a moonball perfectly is much more difficult than a quicker tempo set. I certainly would. The offense was not limited by Allison. It was limited by her pin attackers. She was a very highly recruited setter out of high school. She wasn't impressing coaches with her ability to throw the ball to the ceilings in convention centers. "HERES THE BALL, HITTERS. FIND IT IN THE LIGHTS." You also vastly overrate Eckerman and Webster's role. They weren't adjusting to garbage for three years, and miraculously happened to garner First-Team All-America honors despite the shortcomings of their awful setter. They aren't that talented. They needed Allison and she needed them. She was a very good collegiate setter, and a national champion. Give credit where credit is due. And don't forget that you had another setter very familiar with the Texas offense and very familiar with running a faster offense sitting on the bench for half Allison's career, yet Elliott still chose the kid who could set a higher ball better. Try picking on substance rather than the exaggeration. Always may be extreme. However, she rarely bettered the ball. She was not a good setter. Period. Who cares if she's highly recruited? She had HUGE talent and won with them. Many mediocre setters can do that. I believe setting a quick tempo back slide or a 3-1 is much more difficult than a moon ball. You can disagree.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 12:14:38 GMT -5
They won a title with her... You've NEVER seen her put her teammates in a position to win against top talent? Never improve the ball? Ever? That makes no sense, and isn't fair to her. And some would argue that locating a moonball perfectly is much more difficult than a quicker tempo set. I certainly would. The offense was not limited by Allison. It was limited by her pin attackers. She was a very highly recruited setter out of high school. She wasn't impressing coaches with her ability to throw the ball to the ceilings in convention centers. "HERES THE BALL, HITTERS. FIND IT IN THE LIGHTS." You also vastly overrate Eckerman and Webster's role. They weren't adjusting to garbage for three years, and miraculously happened to garner First-Team All-America honors despite the shortcomings of their awful setter. They aren't that talented. They needed Allison and she needed them. She was a very good collegiate setter, and a national champion. Give credit where credit is due. And don't forget that you had another setter very familiar with the Texas offense and very familiar with running a faster offense sitting on the bench for half Allison's career, yet Elliott still chose the kid who could set a higher ball better. Try picking on substance rather than the exaggeration. Always may be extreme. However, she rarely bettered the ball. She was not a good setter. Period. Who cares if she's highly recruited? She had HUGE talent and won with them. Many mediocre setters can do that. I believe setting a quick tempo back slide or a 3-1 is much more difficult than a moon ball. You can disagree. I do. Most educated volleyball people would. Your opinions are based on personal feelings and biases and not facts or knowledge of the sport/position.
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Post by SportyBucky on Jul 30, 2014 12:52:27 GMT -5
Try picking on substance rather than the exaggeration. Always may be extreme. However, she rarely bettered the ball. She was not a good setter. Period. Who cares if she's highly recruited? She had HUGE talent and won with them. Many mediocre setters can do that. I believe setting a quick tempo back slide or a 3-1 is much more difficult than a moon ball. You can disagree. I do. Most educated volleyball people would. Your opinions are based on personal feelings and biases and not facts or knowledge of the sport/position. Oh Pelc...the only person on this board with experience setting and coaching is you. I think you've got an amazing resume and you are an amazing setter. Your victories at the collegiate club level to this day do not cease to amaze me. Oh wait..you still play NAGVA A. That's even more impressive.
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Post by Longhorn20 on Jul 30, 2014 13:06:17 GMT -5
We should just rename this thread, "Arguements that don't have to do with volleyball"
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Post by WahineFan44 on Jul 30, 2014 13:39:20 GMT -5
Allison was perfectly capable of running a fast offense. However, Jerritt decided against it. She did was she was told to do. Jerritt liked a high offense, but he didn't tell her to have horribly inconsistent placement. He didn't tell her to set a 5 three feet in from the pin on a perfectly good pass. He also didn't tell her to never improve the ball. She couldn't run a slow offense....how could she run one that was faster? Completely disagree with you on this one. I've seen her in person for years and have never seen anything to put TX in a position to win against top talent. Hitters made up for the substance she lacked. You're joking right? Please tell me you're joking. "Never own against top talent". THEY WON A NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP. Was Allison the best setter in the land? No. But was she a good setter? Yes. I was very critical of Allison before, but even Texas fans have told me she doesn't set the moonball by choice. Jerrit tells her to set it. She's very capable of other sets. She just couldn't set them because of the coach. You have your own personal bias against either her or Texas, that's leading you to make these claims. Allison isn't carlini level in setting, but she's still a fantastic setter
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 16:21:29 GMT -5
I do. Most educated volleyball people would. Your opinions are based on personal feelings and biases and not facts or knowledge of the sport/position. Oh Pelc...the only person on this board with experience setting and coaching is you. I think you've got an amazing resume and you are an amazing setter. Your victories at the collegiate club level to this day do not cease to amaze me. Oh wait..you still play NAGVA A. That's even more impressive. I've actually not played yet, but I would!
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Post by SportyBucky on Jul 31, 2014 7:53:15 GMT -5
Jerritt liked a high offense, but he didn't tell her to have horribly inconsistent placement. He didn't tell her to set a 5 three feet in from the pin on a perfectly good pass. He also didn't tell her to never improve the ball. She couldn't run a slow offense....how could she run one that was faster? Completely disagree with you on this one. I've seen her in person for years and have never seen anything to put TX in a position to win against top talent. Hitters made up for the substance she lacked. You're joking right? Please tell me you're joking. "Never own against top talent". THEY WON A NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP. Was Allison the best setter in the land? No. But was she a good setter? Yes. I was very critical of Allison before, but even Texas fans have told me she doesn't set the moonball by choice. Jerrit tells her to set it. She's very capable of other sets. She just couldn't set them because of the coach. You have your own personal bias against either her or Texas, that's leading you to make these claims. Allison isn't carlini level in setting, but she's still a fantastic setter Dude, did you read my comment? As a setter, I am arguing it's harder to connect and set a fast set than a slow set. Allison is not a fantastic setter. Have you seen her in person? Have you watched every home match? Have you seen the plethora of mishandles, misplaced balls? Get a clue.
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Post by SportyBucky on Jul 31, 2014 7:56:25 GMT -5
Jerritt liked a high offense, but he didn't tell her to have horribly inconsistent placement. He didn't tell her to set a 5 three feet in from the pin on a perfectly good pass. He also didn't tell her to never improve the ball. She couldn't run a slow offense....how could she run one that was faster? Completely disagree with you on this one. I've seen her in person for years and have never seen anything to put TX in a position to win against top talent. Hitters made up for the substance she lacked. You're joking right? Please tell me you're joking. "Never own against top talent". THEY WON A NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP. Was Allison the best setter in the land? No. But was she a good setter? Yes. I was very critical of Allison before, but even Texas fans have told me she doesn't set the moonball by choice. Jerrit tells her to set it. She's very capable of other sets. She just couldn't set them because of the coach. You have your own personal bias against either her or Texas, that's leading you to make these claims. Allison isn't carlini level in setting, but she's still a fantastic setter And my point was, she won BECAUSE of top talent. There are setters (like Carlini) that make everyone around her better. There are hitters that, like Eckerman, Bell, etc...that make setters look better. Hannah falls squarely into the latter category. ENOUGH about the BS from past years....let's talk about this year!
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Post by elevationvb on Jul 31, 2014 8:02:41 GMT -5
It really is a darn shame we didn't have a good setter the past 4 seasons.
Just think, we might have won a national championship like we did with Kocher with all that talent on the team. Or when Moriarty won her national championships. Allison really let the program down - - - Oh wait . . .
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Post by SportyBucky on Jul 31, 2014 8:10:30 GMT -5
It really is a darn shame we didn't have a good setter the past 4 seasons.
Just think, we might have won a national championship like we did with Kocher with all that talent on the team. Or when Moriarty won her national championships. Allison really let the program down - - - Oh wait . . . Do you disagree that her hitters often carried her? That she was okay, but didn't elevate the play of her team?
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Post by bballnut90 on Jul 31, 2014 9:42:58 GMT -5
It really is a darn shame we didn't have a good setter the past 4 seasons.
Just think, we might have won a national championship like we did with Kocher with all that talent on the team. Or when Moriarty won her national championships. Allison really let the program down - - - Oh wait . . . Do you disagree that her hitters often carried her? That she was okay, but didn't elevate the play of her team? Allison had moments where she really struggled but for the most part she did a good job at Texas. I don't think her skill set was ideal for what Elliot wanted but she was a 4 year starter and won a championship, played in 3 Final Fours and 4 regionals. She did have some pretty rough showings in the Final Four (vs. Penn State in 2010/vs. Wisconsin in 2013) but she did a great job setting in the 2012 title game and was strong throughout most of her career.
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Post by elevationvb on Jul 31, 2014 10:30:30 GMT -5
It really is a darn shame we didn't have a good setter the past 4 seasons.
Just think, we might have won a national championship like we did with Kocher with all that talent on the team. Or when Moriarty won her national championships. Allison really let the program down - - - Oh wait . . . Do you disagree that her hitters often carried her? That she was okay, but didn't elevate the play of her team? I absolutely disagree. You don't win a national championship with an "okay" setter.
What's your excuse / rationale for Moriarty and Kocher not getting it done?
We know Kocher had an overall better cast than Allison. How many national championships would Moriarty and Allison have won with that ensemble of players?
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Post by treesandwaves on Jul 31, 2014 11:30:16 GMT -5
true, kocher did have a better cast, but I would argue that the level of play then was a lot higher than when they won the championship in '12.
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