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Post by ucsdfan on Apr 11, 2014 2:38:40 GMT -5
First Team for sure Sander (BYU) Crabb (CSULB) Quiroga (UCLA) Cook (Stanford) Powell (Lewis) Christensen (USC)
First Team/Second Team Cusp Irvin (Stanford) Russell (PSU) Jaeshke (Loyola) Smalzer (Loyola) Taylor (Pepperdine) West (Pepperdine)
Second Team for sure Boldog (Lewis) Seif (UCSB) Yoder (USC)
Maybe Second Team LaCavera (UCI) Brinkley (UCI) Olbright (CSULB) Shaw (Stanford) Sedore (Hawai'i) Page (UCLA) Olson (Loyola) Petty (Lewis) Anderson (Pepperdine) Henchey (OSU) Hughes (UCI) Schwagler (Princeton)
Will be Completely Overlooked Despite Deserving the Honor Colin Hacksworth (Lindenwood) Ben Ponnet (GCU) Graham McIlvane (Ball State) should be first team AA, but will get overlooked completely
Had a Very Nice Season, but not AA Material Tim Schmidt (Lindenwood) Greg Faulkner (CSUN) Thomas Hodges (Pacific) Parker Kalmbach (Pepperdine) Eric Mochalski (Stanford) Devin Young (BYU) Eddie Rivera (IPFW) Jack Gamache (Quincy) Cody Kessel (Princeton) DJ White (Harvard)
All Freshman Lucas Yoder (USC) Thomas Hodges (Pacific) Andy Banesh (USC) Junior Oboh (Princeton) Casey White (Harvard) Rodoslav Popov (George Mason) Nick Bendell (Harvard)
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Post by emmettgera on Apr 11, 2014 3:07:44 GMT -5
. Clearly you've not seen Michael play and last I checked the NCAA playoffs haven't happened yet, so your comment about not being in contention is as inaccurate as saying that he needs Tillie. Maybe you need to recheck the rankings and stats on the MPSF site to refresh your memory as to which teams are/are not in contention. If you need the website address just let me know. ;-) I agree with both of you.. UCI is in contention to some extent...But Michael Brinkley does wear his heart on his sleeve when he plays.. I haven't seen him play recently, but earlier in the season when UCI was "figuring things out" you could see how much Brinkley was frustrated and annoyed with the rest of his team.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2014 11:14:24 GMT -5
Thank you ucsd. Lots of people comment but nobody puts out a list. I like what you have, and haven't seen much of the miva this year, but i am leaning towards a different strategy of going about this. Here's my crack at it. First team for sure: Matt west (pepp) Micah christensen (USC) Taylor crabb (lb) Taylor sander (byu) Joe smalzer (Loyola) Brian cook (Stanford)
First/second cusp: Brennan Anderson (pepp) Michael Brinkley (uci) for Liberos, these two will split, one up one down. Thomas jaeschke (Loyola) Nick Olson (Loyola)
Second team for sure: Bj boldog (Lewis) James shaw (Stanford) Lucas yoder (USC) Gonzalo quiroga (ucla) Josh Taylor (pepp) Aaron russel (psu)
Second team maybe but probably: Steven Irvin (Stanford) Matt Tarantino (pepp)
It's small but it's what I got. I'd say these are the most deserving of the award/reward.
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Post by chitownvb on Apr 14, 2014 8:08:59 GMT -5
See below for the selections:
POY – Sander (BYU) NOY – Yoder (USC) COY - Davis (Loyola)
First Team Sander (BYU) Crabb (CSULB) Christensen (USC) Quiroga (UCLA) Taylor (Pepp) West (Pepp) Cook (Stanford) Irvin (Stanford) Smalzer (Loyola) Jaeshke (Loyola)
Second Team Seif (UCSB) Shaw (Stanford) Olbright (CSULB) Yoder (USC) Brinkley (UCI) Hatch (BYU) Russell (PSU) Powell (Lewis) ---------------------------------------- Anderson (Pepp) TBoldog (Lewis) Tarantino (Pepp) Licht (UCSB) Kevorkin (UCI) Rowe (UCLA) Olson (Loyola)
Coul not decide on the last 2 - so pick any 2 of the 7 remaining.
Your serve Volleytalk!
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Post by volleyball949 on Apr 14, 2014 11:20:30 GMT -5
I don't know about Kevorken. He's been snuffed through out his whole career and even put the team on his back against BYU in the NC last year and didn't even make the NCAA all tournament. A fine player who will play for a long time professionally and possibly the NT but I'm not convinced he'll make an AA team.
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Post by 5280volleyball on Apr 14, 2014 12:11:06 GMT -5
Geoff Powell is a good player, but he's not first team AA
I feel Chi Town's first team is pretty close. My choices:
First Team: Taylor Sander (BYU) Taylor Crabb (LBSU) Gonzalo Quiroga (UCLA) Josh Taylor (Pepperdine) Lucas Yoder (USC) Steven Irvin (Stanford) Joseph Smalzer (Loyola) Thomas Jaeschke (Loyola) Micah Christensen (USC) Matt West (Pepperdine)
Second Team: Brian Cook (Stanford) Eric Mochalski (Stanford) James Shaw (Stanford) Grant Delgado (Stanford) Geoff Powell (Lewis) BJ Boldog (Lewis) Matt Tarantino (Pepperdine) Andy Benesh (USC) Jonah Seif (UCSB) Aaron Russell (Penn State)
I really like Yoder a lot. Without him, USC is CSUN, and quite possible worse than them. I think Delgado is a better libero than Brinkley, Cassiday, or Anderson based on what I've seen. All 4 guys are great players though and I wouldn't argue with any of them being listed. Mochalski has really become a high level opposite. If Spencer Rowe had been out there from mid season, my opinion would change. I could also see Nick Olson in for Tarantino. He's had a really nice year at Loyola.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2014 14:51:34 GMT -5
My only issue here is that a couple of these guys have been pulled on several occasions. Delgado has been pulled for sakaida numerous times, cassiday has also, mochalski hasn't had the spot all year and is in and out. To truly be an all American you have to play consistet volleyball through the year. Injuries are a different story, but if you have to get pulled it doesn't mean you are the best in the country...
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Post by ucsdfan on Apr 15, 2014 10:22:28 GMT -5
Excellent list chitown. It lists players who deserve the honor while also considering the politics of the voting prcoess. With such parity this season, no team will land more than three players. That is where the lst after yours went awry, picking five Stanford players for the twenty total. That won't happen, although they could place three on the list.
I think this season more than any other, they'll be willing to omit a position entirely from either the first team or second team. I expect just one libero to make it between the two teams and wouldn't be surprised by just one MB as well. There will probably be two total though. Like you, I struggled with choosing who those middles might be. You have Leske who is great defensivey, Olson who is a good hitter, McAndrews who did a solid all around job, Burgos who had spurts of AA-caliber play, Kalmbalch who played a sort-of hybrid MB-Oppo, Rowe who was a ball of energy and did a very good job, Johnson (CBU) who was one of the best in the nation but will be lost becuase his school is an unknown, Faulkner at CSUN who got better as the season progressed and carried the Natador offense on days, Banesh who started out strong on offense but tailed off as the season progressed, and Young or Hatch at BYU who both did very well.
I can't see anyone but Russell get a nod from the PSUIVA, and his production was definitely down from last season, making him a marginal selection. The MIVA is the real wild card for me. Petty had some good games, but Boldog and Powell are going to get nods over him in the event Lewis gets a second player on the team. Powell had some great all around games and seemed to play hs best under pressure. I'd love to see him get a first team bid. I tend to think Jaeschke will get the first team slot for Loyola, but Smalzer had enough off games towards the end that I think he lands second team, unless last year's performance carries over in the voter's minds. Caldwell came on really strong for Loyola at the end, which made up for Smalzer's diminished performance the last few weeks, but if Loyola gets a third player hnored, it will be a middle. Graham McIlvane is to me the best all around player at setter in the MIVA (and possibly nation. although Shaw, Christensen and Seif play an amazing all-around game too), but he's going to get shut out because of so many hyped freshman who came of age the the last three seasons. The ntion is stacked at setter. Colin Hacksworth should be in the conversation for MIVA PoY, but unfortunately because Lindenwood is not on many voter's radar, will be lucky to get a single vote for any national honors. Both Riveras at IPFW had very good seasons, but will also get lost in the shuffle. Henchey is the only OSU player that might get considered, but they played poorly enough this season to not land a player.
I expect the combined two teams will have 15 MPSF players, 4 MIVA players, and 1 PSUIVA player. Someone is going to post about a CC player who deserves consideration, but the CC PoY, Angel Dache, in five matches versus the MIVA and PSU hit 0.161, had no aces, half a block, and averaged barely 5 digs a match. Padding stats against Belmont-Abbey does not get votes. No CC player should be in the AA conversation.
The MPSF playoff teams will get a player each, which makes it really hard to choose the other seven from the MPSF. BYU could end up with just one AA despite winning the conference title. UCSB, UCLA, and UCI will likely only have one each. This will be a tough list to generate for the voters who follow the politics. It should have as much parity as the season did.
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Post by vball2014 on Apr 15, 2014 11:52:48 GMT -5
Excellent list chitown. It lists players who deserve the honor while also considering the politics of the voting prcoess. With such parity this season, no team will land more than three players. That is where the lst after yours went awry, picking five Stanford players for the twenty total. That won't happen, although they could place three on the list. I think this season more than any other, they'll be willing to omit a position entirely from either the first team or second team. I expect just one libero to make it between the two teams and wouldn't be surprised by just one MB as well. There will probably be two total though. Like you, I struggled with choosing who those middles might be. You have Leske who is great defensivey, Olson who is a good hitter, McAndrews who did a solid all around job, Burgos who had spurts of AA-caliber play, Kalmbalch who played a sort-of hybrid MB-Oppo, Rowe who was a ball of energy and did a very good job, Johnson (CBU) who was one of the best in the nation but will be lost becuase his school is an unknown, Faulkner at CSUN who got better as the season progressed and carried the Natador offense on days, Banesh who started out strong on offense but tailed off as the season progressed, and Young or Hatch at BYU who both did very well. I can't see anyone but Russell get a nod from the PSUIVA, and his production was definitely down from last season, making him a marginal selection. The MIVA is the real wild card for me. Petty had some good games, but Boldog and Powell are going to get nods over him in the event Lewis gets a second player on the team. Powell had some great all around games and seemed to play hs best under pressure. I'd love to see him get a first team bid. I tend to think Jaeschke will get the first team slot for Loyola, but Smalzer had enough off games towards the end that I think he lands second team, unless last year's performance carries over in the voter's minds. Caldwell came on really strong for Loyola at the end, which made up for Smalzer's diminished performance the last few weeks, but if Loyola gets a third player hnored, it will be a middle. Graham McIlvane is to me the best all around player at setter in the MIVA (and possibly nation. although Shaw, Christensen and Seif play an amazing all-around game too), but he's going to get shut out because of so many hyped freshman who came of age the the last three seasons. The ntion is stacked at setter. Colin Hacksworth should be in the conversation for MIVA PoY, but unfortunately because Lindenwood is not on many voter's radar, will be lucky to get a single vote for any national honors. Both Riveras at IPFW had very good seasons, but will also get lost in the shuffle. Henchey is the only OSU player that might get considered, but they played poorly enough this season to not land a player. I expect the combined two teams will have 15 MPSF players, 4 MIVA players, and 1 PSUIVA player. Someone is going to post about a CC player who deserves consideration, but the CC PoY, Angel Dache, in five matches versus the MIVA and PSU hit 0.161, had no aces, half a block, and averaged barely 5 digs a match. Padding stats against Belmont-Abbey does not get votes. No CC player should be in the AA conversation. The MPSF playoff teams will get a player each, which makes it really hard to choose the other seven from the MPSF. BYU could end up with just one AA despite winning the conference title. UCSB, UCLA, and UCI will likely only have one each. This will be a tough list to generate for the voters who follow the politics. It should have as much parity as the season did. If you put angel dache in an mpsf where the teams have other people that can put the ball away, he will have better numbers against the big teams. He doesn't have that at mt olive so therefore the big teams just worry about blocking him. If you can see my point
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Post by chitownvb on Apr 15, 2014 18:47:34 GMT -5
ucsdfan
a valid call on leske, mcilvane & Caldwell from miva as 2nd team AA wildcards and also agree with your 15 mpsf, 4 miva, 1 eiva breakdown
IMO - Christensen is hands down the best setter who has been around for a while. He was clearly the best player on the court here in Chicago when USC handed Loyola their defeat. He was "the man" leading the team that pretty much handed it to the home team, my favorite team. Ramblers can argue 3 games in 3 days - OK, but Christensen has special skills. West and Shaw are a cut below and don't have his all around back row defense, serving and court presence and leadership. Mcilvane is below these guys by a bit. With his height reminds me of the Lewis setter a few years back Iandollo.
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Post by volleyball949 on Apr 15, 2014 23:25:22 GMT -5
Do Pepperdines middles deserve any consideration, I though they were both pretty good in both capacities
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Post by volleyballbro (guru) on Apr 16, 2014 1:05:40 GMT -5
the miva has been crazy this year. got to watch lindenwood play once this year and hackworth immediately stuck out as someone who fills the stat sheet but is not as good as his stats proceed. hackworth isnt even the best player on his team. former lewis prodigy mike adams from lindenwood carries this squad. regardless lindenwood wont place an all-american any time soon. honestly, lewis' boldog, petty, powell and loyola jaeshke, caldwell. no way smalzer even deserves second team. jaeschke might be as good as any mpsf outside and soon will become the nations top outside hitter after this season. mpsf should and will dominate the polls. eiva will have russell but dont think he deserves it. Carolina shouldnt have any AA this year. they are not only 1, but at least 2 tiers behind eiva. Erskine outside michelau and dache are good, just not all american good.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2014 2:35:04 GMT -5
I think that the MIVA considerations are mostly accurate, but i do not really see how lewis gets anyone in. Powell is too much of a passing problem to be an all american with all of the outsides in contention this year. Loyola deserves 2 spots, maybe 3, but i do not think caldwell gets it. Smalzer is the senior and returning all american, as well as caldwell being the third option makes him less of a block attractor. I do think that the pepp middles deserve great consideration, but pepp can only get so many players in. If you look at it, west and taylor are for sure, anderson is a top tier libero that covers a lot of ground in serve receive and defends behind some of the best blockers in the country. Where do you give the recognition in that case? I think Tarantino is the higher qualifier over Antonijevic, but who do you give the cake to, the libero that puts them in system, or the guy who blocks the ball. I would have to go with the libero, but thats just me. As for Mcilvane, who would you take in a schoolyard pick of teams, Micah Christenson or Mcilvane. West or Mcilvane, Shaw or Mcilvane, Seif or mcilvane. Theres no reason this kid should be in the conversation, especially with so little amount of players coming from the MIVA, but mostly because of his competition.
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Post by midwestvolleyball on Apr 16, 2014 9:56:25 GMT -5
I think that the MIVA considerations are mostly accurate, but i do not really see how lewis gets anyone in. Powell is too much of a passing problem to be an all american with all of the outsides in contention this year. Loyola deserves 2 spots, maybe 3, but i do not think caldwell gets it. Smalzer is the senior and returning all american, as well as caldwell being the third option makes him less of a block attractor. I do think that the pepp middles deserve great consideration, but pepp can only get so many players in. If you look at it, west and taylor are for sure, anderson is a top tier libero that covers a lot of ground in serve receive and defends behind some of the best blockers in the country. Where do you give the recognition in that case? I think Tarantino is the higher qualifier over Antonijevic, but who do you give the cake to, the libero that puts them in system, or the guy who blocks the ball. I would have to go with the libero, but thats just me. As for Mcilvane, who would you take in a schoolyard pick of teams, Micah Christenson or Mcilvane. West or Mcilvane, Shaw or Mcilvane, Seif or mcilvane. Theres no reason this kid should be in the conversation, especially with so little amount of players coming from the MIVA, but mostly because of his competition. I don't really understand this Mcilvane bandwagon that people are jumping on. He's a great server and a solid blocker and runs his middles well but I don't think he's even one of the top three setters in the MIVA. I've seen him play on multiple occasions this year and I would definitely take at least Boldog or Hutz over him if I was creating a team. When BSU played at Loyola earlier this year, they went up 2-0 and then lost the next three straight (Loyola played this entire match without Jaeschke). On match point, Mcilvane set the ball over his outside to lose the match...not something a potential All-American should do. He is a great all-around player but not a great setter in my opinion.
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Post by hunter on Apr 16, 2014 11:18:01 GMT -5
i totally agree with ucsd fan. mcilvane is buy far the most athletic setter and best all round setter in the MIVA. he is leading in all categories in MIVA. K/S, Aces/S, D/S, points/ set. only categories he doesnt lead is assists and digs. as we all know assists/ set does not determine whether you are the best setter. as for the loyola match, did you ever consider the pass or who he was setting? 1 set does not determine your ability as a setter! does micah ever have a bad set? ya i think so.
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