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Post by vballfan#1 on Apr 26, 2014 0:30:18 GMT -5
As someone who attended nearly all of their matches and watched Rogers in action, these departures have nothing to do with the Finley legacy at all. This is absolutely the result of poor coaching. The Rams had a 10 and 4 non-conference run, where they took Kentucky, NC State and Wisconsion in 5 and then with their star setter injured, and a 15 and 1 run in Conference play that took them to the final weeks of the season and the A10 Conference, they finished 1 and 3 in the final 4 matches of the season. This is where its seems Rogers failed, for both what she had neglected to do previous to this point and for what she did as her ego and job insecurity got the best of her. It's sadly what you see all to often in the NCAA D1 arena, and the student athletes suffer, drama takes over, GPA's fall and excellent players are forced out or say enough and leave the program. "You’re NOT a good coach if you think that your most important job as a coach is to win games. I don’t care what kind of pressure to win that you face from the administration, if winning is your primary goal as a coach you have significantly lost your way and as a consequence, you’ll actually win less! They cannot handle the loses, often taking it out on players, calling them out, threatening them and worrying more about their image and job than the team." "You’re NOT a good coach when you allow players on your team to scape-goat and/or demean each other. There is nothing good about being on a team where one teammate regularly criticizes and yells at others, and the coach does nothing about it. You just can't overlook it and blame it on a player's passion to win or the players life experiences. It tears down the team." "You’re NOT a good coach when you don’t “walk the talk.” What you say to your players means nothing if it doesn’t come from who you are as a person. Great coaches are great role models in that they teach through their behaviors." "You’re NOT a good coach when you play “head games” with your athletes. If you talk behind their backs, play one athlete off against another or are dishonest in your interactions with your players then you are doing nothing constructive to help your players learn and grow as athletes and individuals. " These are likely some of the reasons in my opinion excellent athletes and star players will not be back next season, and it is hard to imagine the next season will see a conference win or a trip to the NCAA tourney. Read more: volleytalk.net/thread/53759/players-leaving-vcu?page=2#scrollTo=1137906#ixzz2zy1VCLmw
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Post by notpriddy (COIF) on Apr 26, 2014 5:39:02 GMT -5
Tough crowd, One year and you did not win a championship and its all your fault. I think at least a second year is in order before anyone should be declaring that Coach Rodgers is a failure. But that is just my opinion. People, and I include myself in the category, are still pissed about how they treated James so the inevitable fall out lands on the new coach. This is what we are seeing. I will fess up to keeping a 'jaundiced eye' on VCU volleyball all last season due to my own prejudice against AD McLauglin and his treatment of former coach Finley. It is very conflicting to not wish the young women of VCU ill or Coach Rogers ill, but yet feeling some sense of schadenfreude that VCU is having post-Finley problems. Karma can be a b#@$, AD McLaughlin!
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Post by hittherock on Apr 26, 2014 11:59:38 GMT -5
As someone who attended nearly all of their matches and watched Rogers in action, these departures have nothing to do with the Finley legacy at all. This is absolutely the result of poor coaching. The Rams had a 10 and 4 non-conference run, where they took Kentucky, NC State and Wisconsion in 5 and then with their star setter injured, and a 15 and 1 run in Conference play that took them to the final weeks of the season and the A10 Conference, they finished 1 and 3 in the final 4 matches of the season. This is where its seems Rogers failed, for both what she had neglected to do previous to this point and for what she did as her ego and job insecurity got the best of her. It's sadly what you see all to often in the NCAA D1 arena, and the student athletes suffer, drama takes over, GPA's fall and excellent players are forced out or say enough and leave the program. "You’re NOT a good coach if you think that your most important job as a coach is to win games. I don’t care what kind of pressure to win that you face from the administration, if winning is your primary goal as a coach you have significantly lost your way and as a consequence, you’ll actually win less! They cannot handle the loses, often taking it out on players, calling them out, threatening them and worrying more about their image and job than the team." "You’re NOT a good coach when you allow players on your team to scape-goat and/or demean each other. There is nothing good about being on a team where one teammate regularly criticizes and yells at others, and the coach does nothing about it. You just can't overlook it and blame it on a player's passion to win or the players life experiences. It tears down the team." "You’re NOT a good coach when you don’t “walk the talk.” What you say to your players means nothing if it doesn’t come from who you are as a person. Great coaches are great role models in that they teach through their behaviors." "You’re NOT a good coach when you play “head games” with your athletes. If you talk behind their backs, play one athlete off against another or are dishonest in your interactions with your players then you are doing nothing constructive to help your players learn and grow as athletes and individuals. " These are likely some of the reasons in my opinion excellent athletes and star players will not be back next season, and it is hard to imagine the next season will see a conference win or a trip to the NCAA tourney. Read more: volleytalk.net/thread/53759/players-leaving-vcu?page=2#scrollTo=1137906#ixzz2zy1VCLmw+1
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Post by hittherock on Apr 27, 2014 10:52:08 GMT -5
a little quote i saw “It's not any one person. It's not any one coach. It's the team.”
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Post by caavb on Apr 30, 2014 12:32:32 GMT -5
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Post by rainbowbadger on Apr 30, 2014 14:30:10 GMT -5
9 freshmen? Wow, that will be a young squad. Looks like there are some exciting players on that list.
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Post by vbman100 on May 1, 2014 8:08:02 GMT -5
We need to bookmark this and see if any of the new 9 transfer after next season. It is difficult to retain that many recruits. Nothing against the coach or program, just difficult to do.
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Post by vballfan#1 on May 1, 2014 15:57:00 GMT -5
If Rogers treats her new recruits like she did the ones returning and the ones that transfered or quit, it should be no different. She will for sure use "her" new recruits to force out the returning legacy Finley players that were on the fence or she is not providing scholarships for. It will be drama filled and no team spirit, based on how she manged the team last season. I think the AD will figure it out sooner or later that she lacks what it takes to be a champion level D1 coach.
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Post by hittherock on May 1, 2014 16:49:23 GMT -5
+1.....based on watching all matches, she coached them out of a few close matches and the championship match because of her ego and not changing anything...reap what you sew, good luck ladies
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Post by vballguru1 on May 3, 2014 21:13:42 GMT -5
One just has to look at the article about the incoming freshman at VCU to see the problem, 9 small pictures of the recruits and 1 giant of Coach Rogers. Coach Rogers thinks she's bigger than the program. Since my last post I have spoke to several current and former players at VCU and a player parent. Kriskova was transferring last spring but was offered the Rock Star role to stay. Once they built her up they lost control of her. She is a great player but just look at the website. Its all her. When she couldn't play up to the hype the team suffered.
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Post by notpriddy (COIF) on May 4, 2014 4:46:57 GMT -5
One just has to look at the article about the incoming freshman at VCU to see the problem, 9 small pictures of the recruits and 1 giant of Coach Rogers. Coach Rogers thinks she's bigger than the program. Since my last post I have spoke to several current and former players at VCU and a player parent. Kriskova was transferring last spring but was offered the Rock Star role to stay. Once they built her up they lost control of her. She is a great player but just look at the website. Its all her. When she couldn't play up to the hype the team suffered. I suspect (FEAR as an Illini fan) that Kriskova may flourish at Wisconsin when she becomes just one of several outstanding players there. It can become a heavy physical and mental burden for one player to essentially carry an entire team as it sounds like was expected of Kriskova at VCU.
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Post by vballguru1 on May 28, 2014 8:29:52 GMT -5
I have pondered posting again because of the lack of interest on the topic. However, Personally as a fan it is my job to support the girls that dress in the fall. I was a Martina Samadin, Romana Kriskova, Amanda Love fan while cheering for VCU as a whole. When Finley was released and the departure of Martina, I still cheered for VCU. I saw nothing last season in the coaching of Jody that made me forget about Coach Finley. The offense was faster sure but the girls lacked something. Later in the season I actually started to miss him. Finley's teams were prepared to play and although sometimes outmatched they still competed as a team. VCU's teams this year were fighting from behind all season. They were not prepared to play coming out of the locker room. The girls wanted to play for Coach Finley and showed it in their performance. The absence of Kriskova (A10 player of the year) and Amanda Love (Libero of the year and the heart and soul of that team) leaves me wondering what I will see this season. No spring ball because you didn't have enough players to compete? An All Conference setter coming off a season ending knee injury. I see a .500 season at best and another exodus.
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Post by notpriddy (COIF) on May 28, 2014 9:52:14 GMT -5
vballguru1...I hope you will continue to post throughout this next season and beyond. Perhaps, I am one of the few VTers interested in the saga of VCU and Coach Finley's untimely departure, but I am curious as to how this plays out.
I fear there are other wannabe VT posters that refrain because all they see on VT are postings on a few top programs. I am for diversity and inclusion. I want to read about more teams than just the usual suspects (Wisc., Texas, PSU, Florida, etc.)
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Post by hittherock on May 28, 2014 19:02:00 GMT -5
vballguru1, i am a VCU volleyball fan also but i also was a fan of the other players due to them not getting any recognition whatsoever and loved it when i would see them do well. I am not sure if i would say it was the girls that lacked something, I watched practices and workouts, matches etc. I would say it was the coach that pulled them down to the level of not wanting to play for her due to how they were treated as was said above about pitting them against each other, acting like she had to compete with them, and a lot more. She would not change a thing in matches, even when players struggled horribly and would hit even or negative in close matches she would not change. Even the "star" who was not the greatest at serve/receive or passing would not get taken out, and they lost a couple of matches because of it, which might or might not have made a difference. You have some players who cannot xfer (not saying they want to) because they transferred to VCU and are out of options. I am sure more will come out in the next few weeks and when the season starts..
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Post by vballguru1 on May 28, 2014 21:24:11 GMT -5
vballguru1...I hope you will continue to post throughout this next season and beyond. Perhaps, I am one of the few VTers interested in the saga of VCU and Coach Finley's untimely departure, but I am curious as to how this plays out. I fear there are other wannabe VT posters that refrain because all they see on VT are postings on a few top programs. I am for diversity and inclusion. I want to read about more teams than just the usual suspects (Wisc., Texas, PSU, Florida, etc.) I will post as often as possible. My Love for volleyball spans further than VCU. I think your post on Karma hits the head on the nail. Time will tell.......
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