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Post by vballguru1 on May 28, 2014 21:36:34 GMT -5
vballguru1, i am a VCU volleyball fan also but i also was a fan of the other players due to them not getting any recognition whatsoever and loved it when i would see them do well. I am not sure if i would say it was the girls that lacked something, I watched practices and workouts, matches etc. I would say it was the coach that pulled them down to the level of not wanting to play for her due to how they were treated as was said above about pitting them against each other, acting like she had to compete with them, and a lot more. She would not change a thing in matches, even when players struggled horribly and would hit even or negative in close matches she would not change. Even the "star" who was not the greatest at serve/receive or passing would not get taken out, and they lost a couple of matches because of it, which might or might not have made a difference. You have some players who cannot xfer (not saying they want to) because they transferred to VCU and are out of options. I am sure more will come out in the next few weeks and when the season starts.. I was a fan of the entire team. I really enjoyed players coming off the bench and contributing. I like you saw matches, practices and team workouts. I talked to players and parents. I truly believe that if the Finley decision didn't happen Martina would have stayed and we had the players that would have have won a championship they claim Rogers is bringing. And we would be preparing to defend it.
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Post by rainbowbadger on May 28, 2014 21:42:41 GMT -5
I also hope you folks keep posting about VCU. Indigo Thompson, little sister of Wisconsin's Dominique Thompson, signed with them, so I'm kind of interested in how they do.
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Post by vbnerd on May 28, 2014 21:54:08 GMT -5
"You’re NOT a good coach if you think that your most important job as a coach is to win games. What do John Calipari and Nick Saban have to do with this? How many games did Bobby Bowdon have to forfiet? Heck, on the men's D3 board they talked about the 2014 Coach of the Year who had to forfeit 4 matches because he used an illeagal player. "You’re NOT a good coach when you allow players on your team to scape-goat and/or demean each other. Not sure if you are calling out Larry Brown for how he handled Allen Iverson, or Phil Jackson for managing the Shaq and Kobe "debacle" that led to three consecutive NBA championships. Or do you mean when Nick Saban blames his players after each loss? "You’re NOT a good coach when you play “head games” with your athletes. If you talk behind their backs, play one athlete off against another or are dishonest in your interactions with your players then you are doing nothing constructive to help your players learn and grow as athletes and individuals. " Shame on Gino Auriemma. And Mick Haley. And Russ Rose. And Bill Parcells. And Nick Saban and Phil Jackson again. (BTW there are passages on "motivating" your players with tricks in even basic coaching books now). "You’re NOT a good coach when you don’t “walk the talk.” What you say to your players means nothing if it doesn’t come from who you are as a person. Great coaches are great role models in that they teach through their behaviors." First, the expression is "walk the walk" and "talk the talk" but that's neither here nor there. Great coaches are great role models? Ok. Urban Meyer is a God fearing family man who has seen his players arrested at a breathtaking rate. Rick Pitino cheated on his wife of 30 years by having sex in a booth at a restaurant, and then paid the woman to have an abortion. Pokey Chapman's run or 3 straight final fours wasn't ended on the court, but when she resigned mid-season after being exposed as having sexual relations with her players, and then went to Russia where she won 3 championships in a row. Then there is Joe Paterno, whatever people choose to believe happened there. And I wouldn't call Bobby Petrino, Mike Rice, Tom Mutch, Larry Eustachy, Gary Barnett, Mike Leach, Bob Huggins, Tim Welch or Mike Price "great coaches" but they are certainly more high profile, more successful, and far bigger villains than Jody Rogers. So just curious, but who is a great coach in your mind? The expectations (winning or otherwise) are set by the administrations at each respective school. Reading this thread I'm left with the opinion that at VCU maybe winning isn't as important as the coaches sexual orientation, but it may be more important that the satisfaction of their athletes. These are not always priorities that are set by the head coach. There are some "Great Coaches" who are or at least have been lousy people for some windows of time. Coaches can make mistakes and IF Rogers did anything untoward in her first year to get a performance out of players she didn't recruit and may not have understood yet, I think we can give her a pass considering who she works for. Now if her players leave her in similar numbers then there is a different conversation to be had but typically that isn't how this works.
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Post by vballguru1 on Jun 19, 2014 8:49:11 GMT -5
Just spoke to a VCU volleyball player this morning and was told that Love is transferring to Louisville, she was not sure if it was for the fall or for January to play in 2015. Wish her all the best.
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Post by hittherock on Jun 19, 2014 11:16:21 GMT -5
good for her, great kid and great player. I wish all of the players that are gone success and being somewhere where yelling profanities to belittle you, pit them against each other, and think you are bigger than the game and more important than being a team and working together for the same goal and that is only scratching the surface and go someplace where they are actually wanted and valued. (did I say that out loud), sorry I apologize...
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Post by vballguru1 on Jun 23, 2014 21:18:54 GMT -5
good for her, great kid and great player. I wish all of the players that are gone success and being somewhere where yelling profanities to belittle you, pit them against each other, and think you are bigger than the game and more important than being a team and working together for the same goal and that is only scratching the surface and go someplace where they are actually wanted and valued. (did I say that out loud), sorry I apologize... no need to apologize, when this thread first started as a fan I wondered whether some of the posts were true or just jabs at Coach Rodgers. after talking to players and parents there is more to this. Vbnerd touched on motivating players and some of the Coaching techniuqes used. Calling players B*&$hes and demeaning them as motivation wears off quickly. Telling players that they are only there by default and that as soon as the season was over they were too. After listening its hard to feel bad for whats about to happen to the program. Of course its all hearsay at this point, but I heard the program is being audited currently and from another source heard that recruits were practicing with the team in season on visits. I am trying to be able to quote a parent regarding his daughter a former member of the team about her leaving. I wish hittherock was not only scratching the surface. With the season approaching we will soon see if shes changes her m.o with 9 freshman.
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Post by hittherock on Jul 11, 2014 10:58:41 GMT -5
heard news that VCU all-time digs leader Amanda Love is going to Louisville, great pickup for that program, great kid, great player. Huge losses for VCU with the players that are not coming back, but no surprise with the way they were treated, unfortunately some people have no choice but to stay since they transferred there. The players not coming back actually are seeing how you get treated as an acutal person at other programs..
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Post by vballguru1 on Jul 13, 2014 7:24:38 GMT -5
heard news that VCU all-time digs leader Amanda Love is going to Louisville, great pickup for that program, great kid, great player. Huge losses for VCU with the players that are not coming back, but no surprise with the way they were treated, unfortunately some people have no choice but to stay since they transferred there. The players not coming back actually are seeing how you get treated as an acutal person at other programs.. Several posters have mentioned the treatment of players at VCU this past season. The departure of players including A10 Player of the year Kriskova from a conference runner up team that went 25-6 speaks to something. My question to volleytalk is.... Why does this topic not get the attention of other posts? Is it because VCU is not a program that deserves any National attention. If they were in the Big Ten, Pac 10 or Big 12, I believe this topic would have been near the top of the board most of the off season. Posters would be digging for more information and facts detailing the players reasons fro leaving. Just a question? Will someone closer to the program please respond!
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Post by tommyboy on Jul 13, 2014 9:55:04 GMT -5
Because the only people continually posting are new posters with an obvious ax to grind. With a new coach, things change, some players will always move on. I'm not defending the coach, but not ready to fire her either over a few disgruntled players in her first year. Never heard any problems about her many years in Indy, so most will give her a few years with her own players.
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Post by hittherock on Jul 13, 2014 12:53:32 GMT -5
Well you kind of are defending the coach, calling them disgruntled players.....do you know them? do you know the coach? Sure players move on with a new coach, I don't care if you were at another program for years. Probably more pressure to be the new coach coming from D2 to D1 program and expecting to best the record from the years before, plus after all of the controversy around the previous coach. Maybe she had to prove something and changed her personality. Either way you don't Treat players like the posts suggest. You lose a conference player of the year that is the player you shower all of your attention on, star of the program and you cater to and promise things to and a libero that was the schools all time digs leader and defensive player of the year just because they want to "move on" , speaking of "new posters"
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Post by newenglander on Jul 13, 2014 14:20:15 GMT -5
From what I hear... 1 player decided to transfer and almost all the rest did not have their scholarships renewed. A reasonable person might feel that there is some middle ground for a college team where in theory there is some educational component to the women playing sports and a new coach coming in and cutting these student athletes just to clean house.
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Post by vballguru1 on Jul 13, 2014 14:43:32 GMT -5
Because the only people continually posting are new posters with an obvious ax to grind. With a new coach, things change, some players will always move on. I'm not defending the coach, but not ready to fire her either over a few disgruntled players in her first year. Never heard any problems about her many years in Indy, so most will give her a few years with her own players. I am a VCU volleyball fan. My ax to grind is the program, they got rid of a fine Coach that had success and was in a position to win his conference and take the team to the NCAA. The same reason the AD said why they hired Rogers and he was denied that chance. you are defending the Coach and if you knew how she talked to her players, calling them stupid or bitches. Blaming them for loses that she clearly didn't make adjustments and caused the losses. Denying them ice cream because they lost and said" you didn't do what you needed to do for me? When was the last time you talked to a Division 2 player about their treatment by a Coach specifically a player from INDY. I asked some questions because I wanted to know why players were leaving and to a player, to a parent , and to a fan they all said its Coach Rogers and her belittling treatment of players. I could post 193 posts today does that not make me a new poster. DO your homework, I have and only pray for the players that are left that they finish their careers out with the success they have already obtained.
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Post by vballguru1 on Jul 13, 2014 14:47:59 GMT -5
From what I hear... 1 player decided to transfer and almost all the rest did not have their scholarships renewed. A reasonable person might feel that there is some middle ground for a college team where in theory there is some educational component to the women playing sports and a new coach coming in and cutting these student athletes just to clean house. that's a great observation until you read the quotes from the AD and herself that she was brought in to win now, not use Finley's recruits to win first year clean house and rebuild the program. This program was on a road to win the A10 in 2013, 2014 and 2015 , one year is burnt and that team is now dismantled. Time will tell.
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Post by tommyboy on Jul 13, 2014 14:49:12 GMT -5
Hit, no I don't know any of the players or coach involved, but you are obviously emotionally invested. Saying the players are "disgruntled" is not taking sides, it is an accurate use of the word in that they were not satisfied with their current previous situation. No one, including myself, is ok with mistreating players; but I'm not going to slander a coach with no prior negative history because some random poster has a vengeance.
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Post by hittherock on Jul 13, 2014 15:28:18 GMT -5
fair enough tommy..but its not slander if its true, right?. i honestly wish the players all luck, players that have been there and new players coming in. I hope they get better treatment than past players...i would honestly believe that the random poster knows players and knows the coach and knows this is how they were treated. And if some were not renewed, from what it sounds like. They are probably happy that they are not going back..And it looks like it worked out for everyone, (as newenglander) stated there is an educational component, and that is that the players that left ended up at great educational institutions, (which is what its all about). so everyone has a win, win.
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