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Post by ja on Jun 7, 2014 16:16:36 GMT -5
Would the kid be able to get out of it, without repercussions? Pellini also said that the players would be released if their is a coaching change. Which in Pellini's case would be his incentive to sign a lot of players early. "If you fire me, you'll lose all of these kids!" I'm sure he makes that argument now but they don't really have them yet so it's less powerful. JA, You need to explain how this has anything to do with a Union. I don't see your leap. Its not even apples and oranges, its like apples and winnebagos. OK, let me try to explain. I guess you heard that Northwestern football players went to the court in order to get permission to unionize. espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/10677763/northwestern-wildcats-football-players-win-bid-unionizeIf this will indeed happens, this will create new relationship between NCAA, institution members and student-athletes. Contracts (or NLI as we know this now) will be negotiated by the union and will be treated as a professional contracts. As of today NLI guaranteed you only one year, which hurts students and parents mostly. How many times we see new coaches cleaning up rosters from kids, who committed to play before they came to coach! I believe we are still discussing this case even now. Do I like it? Absolutely! Actually I would love to have a Volleyball Coaches Union as well, so we would not depends on the mood of SWA or AD, but will be judged by results of our work. As a potentially professional player girls will have right to sign a contract with both union and member institution, with all rights and obligations coming out of this. This will make colleges think twice before terminating scholarship and forcing kids to transfer. And with signed contract you don't need a National Signing Day. I am turning 16 today, I am eligible to sign my pro contract tomorrow, if I have offer and I like it. If I broke contract, I will loose one year of eligibility (just for example). I guess lawyers from both side will have a lot of ideas how to balance it up.
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Post by n00b on Jun 7, 2014 16:38:11 GMT -5
All it will do is drive coaches to recruit younger and younger, because now they will be afraid that the best players will not only commit to someone else early but also sign with someone else early. I disagree (for volleyball at least). I think it would change very little. The percentage of players that verbally commit and end up backing out before signing day is extremely small (unless there is a coaching change). At what level do you think this will happen? Among the elite? How many times has a player verballed to a top 10 program in the last decade, only to decommit and attend a different top 10 program. I'd imagine you can count that on one hand. If anything, I can see this delaying the recruiting process if they make these "Early NLIs" 4-year scholarships. Now you can't dump a kid that tears her ACL during her junior season, so she better be good enough to be worth that risk.
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Post by mikegarrison on Jun 7, 2014 17:13:09 GMT -5
All it will do is drive coaches to recruit younger and younger, because now they will be afraid that the best players will not only commit to someone else early but also sign with someone else early. I disagree (for volleyball at least). I think it would change very little. The percentage of players that verbally commit and end up backing out before signing day is extremely small (unless there is a coaching change). At what level do you think this will happen? Among the elite? How many times has a player verballed to a top 10 program in the last decade, only to decommit and attend a different top 10 program. I'd imagine you can count that on one hand. If anything, I can see this delaying the recruiting process if they make these "Early NLIs" 4-year scholarships. Now you can't dump a kid that tears her ACL during her junior season, so she better be good enough to be worth that risk. But that's not the proposal being discussed.
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Post by n00b on Jun 7, 2014 18:14:51 GMT -5
I disagree (for volleyball at least). I think it would change very little. The percentage of players that verbally commit and end up backing out before signing day is extremely small (unless there is a coaching change). At what level do you think this will happen? Among the elite? How many times has a player verballed to a top 10 program in the last decade, only to decommit and attend a different top 10 program. I'd imagine you can count that on one hand. If anything, I can see this delaying the recruiting process if they make these "Early NLIs" 4-year scholarships. Now you can't dump a kid that tears her ACL during her junior season, so she better be good enough to be worth that risk. But that's not the proposal being discussed. True. I still don't think it makes the recruiting process any earlier.
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Post by bawler on Jun 7, 2014 18:33:14 GMT -5
Don't athletes have to be 18 to make the signing of an NLI binding?
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Post by vballgrl on Jun 7, 2014 18:37:28 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of this. We are already asking 16-17-18 year olds to decide their future & commit to it. Allowing this to occur for 13-14-15 year olds?? No way. I'm not a fan of the verbal commitments but at least each side can back out. I see how much stress and pressure fall on the player being recruited. It overwhelms many even though it is what they wanted 'their whole life' (all 16 years of it) I don't know about any of you but I changed my 'major' (future career) about 9 times during high school years. Can not imagine having decided on a college, coach, team as a 13 year old Frosh. Just my 2 cents.
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Post by ja on Jun 7, 2014 19:57:30 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of this. We are already asking 16-17-18 year olds to decide their future & commit to it. Allowing this to occur for 13-14-15 year olds?? No way. I'm not a fan of the verbal commitments but at least each side can back out. I see how much stress and pressure fall on the player being recruited. It overwhelms many even though it is what they wanted 'their whole life' (all 16 years of it) I don't know about any of you but I changed my 'major' (future career) about 9 times during high school years. Can not imagine having decided on a college, coach, team as a 13 year old Frosh. Just my 2 cents. If you are not ready don't commit! Simple like this! No drama. I think we should trust our kids to make a decisions! We babysit them for too long. Let them grow up!
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Post by eastbeach on Jun 8, 2014 0:30:16 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of this. We are already asking 16-17-18 year olds to decide their future & commit to it. Allowing this to occur for 13-14-15 year olds?? No way. I'm not a fan of the verbal commitments but at least each side can back out. I see how much stress and pressure fall on the player being recruited. It overwhelms many even though it is what they wanted 'their whole life' (all 16 years of it) I don't know about any of you but I changed my 'major' (future career) about 9 times during high school years. Can not imagine having decided on a college, coach, team as a 13 year old Frosh. Just my 2 cents. If you are not ready don't commit! Simple like this! No drama. I think we should trust our kids to make a decisions! We babysit them for too long. Let them grow up! The flaw here is that those kids are just that, kids, and they don't have the wisdom and perspective of a mature adult. That's why we advise our kids and help them make wise decisions. Trust them to make wise decisions...that's a powerful statement that is a fantasy, not reality. The reality is that kids don't have the tools to negotiate with adult coaches and they are naturally at a disadvantage.
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Post by Not Me on Jun 8, 2014 7:35:26 GMT -5
Signing letters of intent early is better than verbals which can be retracted. You want that kid bad enough--guarantee it to them. What happens more? Coaches retract a verbal, or a player gets out of the verbal? I'd bet it is the latter.
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Post by n00b on Jun 8, 2014 8:27:21 GMT -5
Signing letters of intent early is better than verbals which can be retracted. You want that kid bad enough--guarantee it to them. What happens more? Coaches retract a verbal, or a player gets out of the verbal? I'd bet it is the latter. If you take away coaching changes and injuries, I bet the two are very close. I'd want the early NLIs to have an out for the kid if the coach is fired, but not for any injuries. This would skew the early NLI in favor of the kid, which is what we all should want.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2014 9:40:16 GMT -5
Signing letters of intent early is better than verbals which can be retracted. You want that kid bad enough--guarantee it to them. What happens more? Coaches retract a verbal, or a player gets out of the verbal? I'd bet it is the latter. To me--that's not relevant. Forcing coach AND player into a binding contract will slow all of these commitments way down. It's easy to make a verbal promise...but most people think twice about signing their names...and with minors, mommy and daddy are co-signing. I'm okay with Noob's suggestion for the coach being fired--but not just if the coach leaves. I think the LOI should also contain the stipulation that the departing coach cannot get a commitment from that same player.
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Post by ja on Jun 8, 2014 10:31:49 GMT -5
If you are not ready don't commit! Simple like this! No drama. I think we should trust our kids to make a decisions! We babysit them for too long. Let them grow up! The flaw here is that those kids are just that, kids, and they don't have the wisdom and perspective of a mature adult. That's why we advise our kids and help them make wise decisions. Trust them to make wise decisions...that's a powerful statement that is a fantasy, not reality. The reality is that kids don't have the tools to negotiate with adult coaches and they are naturally at a disadvantage. First of all, do not underestimate our kids! Second, they have parents for advise, who will have to co-sign this, since they are still minors. We are trusting them to drive at 16 and make a split second decisions on the road, which can affect their lives way more seriously than signing contract. Obviously this is not an easy process to make a decision, but who can tell that life is easy? Let them learn early the meaning of life! And last, you do not have to sign it if you are not ready! I strongly believe that this will make recruiting more transparent and honest from both sides.
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Post by redbeard2008 on Jun 8, 2014 10:50:13 GMT -5
If you are not ready don't commit! Simple like this! No drama. I think we should trust our kids to make a decisions! We babysit them for too long. Let them grow up! Then give your 14-year old the keys to the car, so she can go out drinking.
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Post by redbeard2008 on Jun 8, 2014 10:59:23 GMT -5
Allow a one-way NLI for athletes 16 or younger, binding on the school, but with an opt-out for the athlete up to the end of their junior year (June 6?). For athletes 17 and older, retain the traditional NLI dates and mutually binding terms. And how does that help? What's in it for the colleges? When a one-way NLI signee finishes her junior year, without opting out, it automatically becomes binding on both parties. It does add some disincentive to offering young athletes (16 or younger), in that a one-way NLI binds the school to provide one year of aid. If it leads to fewer early offers, that would be a good thing.
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Post by vbman100 on Jun 8, 2014 11:36:56 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of this. We are already asking 16-17-18 year olds to decide their future & commit to it. Allowing this to occur for 13-14-15 year olds?? No way. I'm not a fan of the verbal commitments but at least each side can back out. I see how much stress and pressure fall on the player being recruited. It overwhelms many even though it is what they wanted 'their whole life' (all 16 years of it) I don't know about any of you but I changed my 'major' (future career) about 9 times during high school years. Can not imagine having decided on a college, coach, team as a 13 year old Frosh. Just my 2 cents. If you are not ready don't commit! Simple like this! No drama. I think we should trust our kids to make a decisions! We babysit them for too long. Let them grow up! Exactly! Like with teenage pregnancies. Those only happen when the two parties are ready to commit to a serious relationship and ready to be parents. Or when they drink. They know how much alcohol their body can handle. Right on Ja! Wait a second...
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