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Post by ja on Jun 8, 2014 11:45:53 GMT -5
If you are not ready don't commit! Simple like this! No drama. I think we should trust our kids to make a decisions! We babysit them for too long. Let them grow up! Then give your 14-year old the keys to the car, so she can go out drinking. How is this related to discussion? And do not be surprise to see quiet few 14 years old get drunk, pregnant, smoking pot. What about 17 years old going solo around world? Or if it's OK for 16-17 years old, who are World and Olympic Champions? Please do not shove pacifiers into 5 years old kids and we will have more mature generation coming up! You can't learn how to be responsible if do not have responsibilities! |
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Post by elevationvb on Jun 8, 2014 13:03:38 GMT -5
Stupid idea. You think coaches put pressure on kids now? This will allow coaches to dangle a loi infront of a kid and say "sign this now or the offer goes away in 2 minutes"
This would put all the power in the hands of the coaches. And as the kid fails to develop, etc, just imagine the tactics taken by the Pelini's of the world to dump the kid and leave them without offers from major schools. |
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Post by jasonr on Jun 8, 2014 13:36:29 GMT -5
Stupid idea. You think coaches put pressure on kids now? This will allow coaches to dangle a loi infront of a kid and say "sign this now or the offer goes away in 2 minutes"
This would put all the power in the hands of the coaches. And as the kid fails to develop, etc, just imagine the tactics taken by the Pelini's of the world to dump the kid and leave them without offers from major schools.For all the criticism that can be levied toward Pelini, that isn't one. He's honored many scholarships that other coaches wouldn't have, e.g. multi-year non-contributors (he doesn't nudge kids out the door), career threatening injuries (including using football scholies when medical hardships weren't available just to make sure the athlete could finish their education even if it meant eating a valuable roster spot), guaranteeing another recruit four full years even though he may not play a down due to concussions suffered his senior year of high school, etc. I've actually had a heated argument with Pelini at a fundraiser, but for all that can be said about his prickly personality and penchant for yelling, his care for his players is beyond reproach (they'll all tell you as much). Whether his proposal would solve many of the problems of modern recruiting, it's debatable, but it'd certainly make coaches put their money where their mouth is. We'd see an end to coaches "keeping kids on the line" while waiting for better prospects to commit. A recruit could easily tell a coach, "If you really want me and you aren't playing games, send the LOI via fax today and I'll sign it." |
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Post by redbeard2008 on Jun 8, 2014 13:52:09 GMT -5
Then give your 14-year old the keys to the car, so she can go out drinking. How is this related to discussion? And do not be surprise to see quiet few 14 years old get drunk, pregnant, smoking pot. What about 17 years old going solo around world? Or if it's OK for 16-17 years old, who are World and Olympic Champions? Please do not shove pacifiers into 5 years old kids and we will have more mature generation coming up! You can't learn how to be responsible if do not have responsibilities! You said "I think we should trust our kids to make a decision! We babysit them for too long." You didn't put an age-limit on it (other than not needing a babysitter). Neither did the original proposal. Some kids can make adult decisions at an early age, others can't. Many adults can't manage it either (which helps explain "kiddie recruiting" and "insane parents"). |
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Post by vbnerd on Jun 8, 2014 18:06:22 GMT -5
And how does that help? What's in it for the colleges? When a one-way NLI signee finishes her junior year, without opting out, it automatically becomes binding on both parties. It does add some disincentive to offering young athletes (16 or younger), in that a one-way NLI binds the school to provide one year of aid. If it leads to fewer early offers, that would be a good thing. I see, so this is like the old deal with Columbia House Records where you can buy 27 cassette tapes for $1, and if you don't cancel your membership within 2 weeks you get an album nobody wanted and they charged you $20 for it.  Colleges try to get a kid to sign and hope they miss the cancelation date and boom, ya got'em! And now that schools are publicly shamed for not releasing a player to transfer (see k state bb and leticia romero) you think it's good business to hold an 18 year old to a document they signed as a minor? Maybe they can get away with it in volleyball or soccer but in basketball and football espn would kill them. You are thinking and that's good so do not take this the wrong way, but I just don't think you have the answer yet. |
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Post by redbeard2008 on Jun 8, 2014 18:49:59 GMT -5
I see, so this is like the old deal with Columbia House Records where you can buy 27 cassette tapes for $1, and if you don't cancel your membership within 2 weeks you get an album nobody wanted and they charged you $20 for it. Colleges try to get a kid to sign and hope they miss the cancelation date and boom, ya got'em! And now that schools are publicly shamed for not releasing a player to transfer (see k state bb and leticia romero) you think it's good business to hold an 18 year old to a document they signed as a minor? Maybe they can get away with it in volleyball or soccer but in basketball and football espn would kill them. You are thinking and that's good so do not take this the wrong way, but I just don't think you have the answer yet. Yeah, I got sucked into that Columbia record scam when I was a teen. Hopefully the parents can help them stay on top of it, especially if it is a set date (at the end of their junior year). I don't think there is any one answer. My point is that if they're going to allow signing throughout the recruiting timeline, they need to do something to dis-incentivize early offers, which I think a one-way NLI could do - otherwise it will only intensify pressure on coaches and recruits to offer and commit at an earlier and earlier date, with 14- and 15-year olds contractually bound for the next four to five years (just to make it easier on coaches like Pellini). Washington's softball team has commits from two middle schoolers. Also, nothing will stop schools from picking and choosing which early "commits" get NLIs to sign, telling the rest to just "hang on". Renegging on offers will likely become much more commonplace. |
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Post by eastbeach on Jun 9, 2014 13:10:56 GMT -5
The flaw here is that those kids are just that, kids, and they don't have the wisdom and perspective of a mature adult. That's why we advise our kids and help them make wise decisions. Trust them to make wise decisions...that's a powerful statement that is a fantasy, not reality. The reality is that kids don't have the tools to negotiate with adult coaches and they are naturally at a disadvantage. First of all, do not underestimate our kids! Second, they have parents for advise, who will have to co-sign this, since they are still minors. We are trusting them to drive at 16 and make a split second decisions on the road, which can affect their lives way more seriously than signing contract. Obviously this is not an easy process to make a decision, but who can tell that life is easy? Let them learn early the meaning of life! And last, you do not have to sign it if you are not ready! I strongly believe that this will make recruiting more transparent and honest from both sides. "Let them learn the meaning of life" - yes let's throw caution to the wind and let the kids do whatever they want, when they want. I've seen the results of THAT parenting theory and it's not pretty. You are playing fast and loose with the efforts that the athletes and their families have expended getting them to an elite volleyball position. Driving a car and signing up for a college commitment are apples and zebras - not a good comparison. While caution may be needed in both, there's a difference between a split second decision and a carefully made choice that will impact their careers and their family. Remember too that the athlete is choosing to attend a college, which is an adult and a family decision. They are not just signing up to play volleyball. Feel free to go about your day now. |
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Post by NebraskaVBfan93 on Jun 9, 2014 15:09:50 GMT -5
Stupid idea. You think coaches put pressure on kids now? This will allow coaches to dangle a loi infront of a kid and say "sign this now or the offer goes away in 2 minutes"
This would put all the power in the hands of the coaches. And as the kid fails to develop, etc, just imagine the tactics taken by the Pelini's of the world to dump the kid and leave them without offers from major schools.What is stupid is someone making an asinine statement like you just did. You obviously didn't read the whole article, if any of it, and/or have serious reading comprehension issues. I'll give you another shot at understanding. ""Make [the offer] mean something," Pelini said. "People will be like, 'Whoa, I've got to take this kid now.' It will slow things down for the kids, for the institutions. There will be less mistakes. |
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Post by ja on Jun 9, 2014 15:13:29 GMT -5
First of all, do not underestimate our kids! Second, they have parents for advise, who will have to co-sign this, since they are still minors. We are trusting them to drive at 16 and make a split second decisions on the road, which can affect their lives way more seriously than signing contract. Obviously this is not an easy process to make a decision, but who can tell that life is easy? Let them learn early the meaning of life! And last, you do not have to sign it if you are not ready! I strongly believe that this will make recruiting more transparent and honest from both sides. "Let them learn the meaning of life" - yes let's throw caution to the wind and let the kids do whatever they want, when they want. I've seen the results of THAT parenting theory and it's not pretty. You are playing fast and loose with the efforts that the athletes and their families have expended getting them to an elite volleyball position. Driving a car and signing up for a college commitment are apples and zebras - not a good comparison. While caution may be needed in both, there's a difference between a split second decision and a carefully made choice that will impact their careers and their family. Remember too that the athlete is choosing to attend a college, which is an adult and a family decision. They are not just signing up to play volleyball. Feel free to go about your day now. Thank you for your permission! You are so kind! I am a father of three, my older son finished couple years ago his second master in education, my middle one is 4.0 GPA last three semesters and just started today his internship in Law firm and my daughter will be honored tomorrow at her HS annual banquet. So, don't talk to me like you do know everything about parenting! In 30 plus years in coaching I saw kids who was capable of making decisions and kids who was not. But, you know, I would prefer to work with kids who can make a decision! Driving car and singing college contract definitely different, driving car a whole lot more dangerous and still we are trusting our 16 years old to drive without supervision. At the same time nobody expecting 16 years old kids make decision about college commitment entirely on their own, this is exactly when parents should step in to talk and give some advices, including financial. |
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Post by eastbeach on Jun 9, 2014 15:17:15 GMT -5
So we agree on several points. And kudos to you for raising great kids.
Are you the parent of an athlete? Or do you hail from the coach's corner?
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Post by redbeard2008 on Jun 9, 2014 15:19:33 GMT -5
I do think there is a difference between sports. Committed eighth, ninth, and tenth graders are much more common in softball - it is almost unheard of in volleyball. Washington's softball program has commits from two eighth graders, two ninth graders, and three tenth graders. Washington's volleyball team has none, with all current commits due on campus this fall.
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Post by ja on Jun 9, 2014 15:20:06 GMT -5
So we agree on several points. And kudos to you for raising great kids. Are you the parent of an athlete? Or do you hail from the coach's corner? Boys played and my DD are competitive dancer. |
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Post by eastbeach on Jun 9, 2014 15:49:44 GMT -5
So we agree on several points. And kudos to you for raising great kids. Are you the parent of an athlete? Or do you hail from the coach's corner? Boys played and my DD are competitive dancer. That's great. Did your boys play division one sports? In other words, do you see this discussion from the perspective of a parent of a division one athlete? That's a whole different game. While it's easier for the coach to 'work with kids who can make a decision' is that decision the best for the athlete? |
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Post by elevationvb on Jun 9, 2014 15:54:56 GMT -5
It is an absolutely stupid idea and coming from Bo Pelini I am not surprised.
This would put all the power in the hands of the coaches. And as the kid fails to develop, etc, just imagine the tactics taken by the Pelini's of the world to dump the kid and leave them without offers from major schools. What is stupid is someone making an asinine statement like you just did. You obviously didn't read the whole article, if any of it, and/or have serious reading comprehension issues. I'll give you another shot at understanding. ""Make [the offer] mean something," Pelini said. "People will be like, 'Whoa, I've got to take this kid now.' It will slow things down for the kids, for the institutions. There will be less mistakes.
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Post by ja on Jun 9, 2014 17:04:33 GMT -5
Boys played and my DD are competitive dancer. That's great. Did your boys play division one sports? In other words, do you see this discussion from the perspective of a parent of a division one athlete? That's a whole different game. While it's easier for the coach to 'work with kids who can make a decision' is that decision the best for the athlete? How about from DI Head Coach perspective? |
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