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Post by ja on Jul 19, 2014 20:01:13 GMT -5
Thanks, Ja. Parkhomenko is impressive; I'm reminded a little of Murphy during her Florida days. I assume that Parkhomenko is left handed; being a tall left-handed setter is pretty rare. She has the huge advantage of having her normal setting jump putting her high enough to hit the ball almost straight downward over the net. Does anyone know what she touches? As someone pointed out earlier, besides whatever points she scores, she's keeping the middles tight and providing her pin hitters with improved scoring opportunities. I also like the nice little behind the back dump. Don't get to see that very often. Actually she is right handed! Not sure where to find her left arm cross court attack, but if you have time try to find it, it definitely worth of watching!
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Post by ltfan on Jul 22, 2014 6:31:31 GMT -5
Serbian setter Ana Antonijevic is really good at that.. you can watch here There are dumps through all of the video.. more start from 1:36
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Post by Upfrontvb on Jul 22, 2014 8:53:54 GMT -5
Here's a different view point on setters dumps. Let the hitters hit the ball! When a setter has more or ties for kills with the hitters it irks me. I wouldn't want to be a hitter for the team. There are a couple of teams in D1 that do this. Yes they get the point and you play to win...but
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2014 9:16:55 GMT -5
Here's a different view point on setters dumps. Let the hitters hit the ball! When a setter has more or ties for kills with the hitters it irks me. I wouldn't want to be a hitter for the team. There are a couple of teams in D1 that do this. Yes they get the point and you play to win...but This is stupid. The setter's only job is to win and there are only advantages for a team with a setter than can effectively, deceptively, and appropriately attack the second ball. A point scored is a point scored. And, there are zero top 50 DI teams whose setter leads the team in kills.
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Post by Semp12 on Jul 22, 2014 10:28:18 GMT -5
Here's a different view point on setters dumps. Let the hitters hit the ball! When a setter has more or ties for kills with the hitters it irks me. I wouldn't want to be a hitter for the team. There are a couple of teams in D1 that do this. Yes they get the point and you play to win...but Seriously.. I am not a fan of a setter racking up a ton of attempts either, but if it is working and a team won't adjust, I don't see why you wouldn't continue to do it just for the ego of the hitters sake. What about other blocking matchups? Do we throw the scouting report out so "newbie" gets their sets?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2014 11:08:01 GMT -5
When a setter has a great attack, the team tends to get amped up from it. That energy can really help them.
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Post by Upfrontvb on Jul 22, 2014 14:44:34 GMT -5
I understand what all three of you have said. A good setter dump is great to see, does amp up the team, gets the points and you need to win points to win. I'm just saying I don't like it when its done a lot. And pelc there are a few D1 schools that have a setter who has tied or led a match with kills.
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Post by ciscokeed on Jul 22, 2014 15:14:04 GMT -5
If the setter is not a threat to attack in the 4-2 rotations, then it is really easy for the block to release and dictate who they want to load up on... a setter who is an attacking threat negates that...of course I am talking about a real attack... a legit throwdown or an attack ala Stork/Hancock If you want to raise your team hitting percentage a setter who is a threat will help that number....
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Post by Garand on Jul 22, 2014 17:37:33 GMT -5
If the setter is not a threat to attack in the 4-2 rotations, then it is really easy for the block to release and dictate who they want to load up on... a setter who is an attacking threat negates that...of course I am talking about a real attack... a legit throwdown or an attack ala Stork/Hancock If you want to raise your team hitting percentage a setter who is a threat will help that number.... I agree with this completely. It's not so much about the number of kills by the setter as it is the threat of the attack by the setter. It should be about keeping the middles a little more honest and therefore creating better hitting opportunities for your pin hitters in the form of less well-formed blocks. In order for this to happen, the middles must see the threat (or know about it ahead of time through scouting). The setter should show it to them early and then continue to burn the middles anytime they forget to respect this attack option. In all these cases, I'm talking about strong attacks like those from the likes of Parkhomenko or Murphy rather than the more classic dump.
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Post by ncaavballguru on Jul 23, 2014 11:22:24 GMT -5
Hey, when I played, I had no problem with my setter dumping the ball once in awhile, maybe two or three times a match. If he started to get a little bit too Hollywood for the rest of us and kept dumping it over and over instead of setting the rest of us, that's when I started passing it all over the gym - 16 feet off the net, out past the right antenna, straight into the center of the net.
Yeah, buddy, try dumping that one.
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Post by ciscokeed on Jul 23, 2014 14:50:53 GMT -5
Nah, if you are really skilled you pass low and to the left, then the only person who gets set is you on the left pin!! But I guess you just weren't that interested in winning, cuz dumping two or three times a match isn't enough. I take it you would rather get housed then have a seam to hit through!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2014 21:22:19 GMT -5
When I play I typically attack 80-90% of our passes, so I'm a bit of an expert on this.
Setter dumps are super effective.
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Post by kro2488 on Jul 24, 2014 12:37:59 GMT -5
When I play I typically attack 80-90% of our passes, so I'm a bit of an expert on this. Setter dumps are super effective. Are the middles and outsides you play against asleep? Jeez. Not to mention the floor defenders. When setter is front row you defend overpass first then setter then hitters if he or she is getting enough points it matters. It's fun to roof a setter attack to the floor though lol
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Post by vballfreak808 on Jul 24, 2014 16:27:20 GMT -5
Setters being allowed to dump is depending on the player. If you have a smart player who is able to attack on two at the right time then I say go for it. I am surprised no one has mentioned Chelsey Feekin from Wichita State. At 6'1" and being left handed gave her a key advantage. Her junior season she had enough attempts to qualify for the national hitting percentage statistics and led the country. I watched her and she was pretty successful with it and defenders across the court had a hard time seeing if she would dump short or deep.
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Post by ncaavballguru on Jul 25, 2014 22:01:17 GMT -5
Nah, if you are really skilled you pass low and to the left, then the only person who gets set is you on the left pin!! But I guess you just weren't that interested in winning, cuz dumping two or three times a match isn't enough. I take it you would rather get housed then have a seam to hit through!! Hey, Einstein. Who said I always hit on the left? I understand that you play in the Reseda reverse co-ed "C" league and run an 6-6. But not all of us play like that.
Seams are overrated. If your arm is fast enough, you don't need a seam. Blockers are always late with their hands.
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