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Post by BeachbytheBay on Aug 9, 2014 14:22:31 GMT -5
better yet, I wish the other schools would walk away immediately and form a new collegiate structure, might as well control your own destiny for non BCS schools - being in the NCAA will forever be waiting for the table scraps from the BCS - I'd love to see an edict from the non-BCS schools that beginning in 2015-2016 there will be no scheduling of any games with BCS schools. Let the Pac-12 go east of the rockies for all their non-conference games - screw 'em. Sure, there would be a heck of a lot of risk and short-term fall-out, but it would be the best way to promote the bulk of non-BCS schools IMO long-term and just further illustrate that the BCS is isolated as a semi-pro adjunct of those universities. It wouldn't really work. Named programs in the non power 5 conferences for football and basketball will still schedule preseason matches with the power conferences because the media payouts pays for their athletics programs. totally disagree, programs like UCONN, Boise, San Diego State, UCF, SMU, Fresno State have to look at it one of two ways - big fish in a large pond with lower visibility or minnows in a small pond with zilch visibility - Boise tried to make it, didn't work out, they simple aren't going to crack that nut. time to go to another model. lot's of risk to what I am saying to a school like Boise or UConn, but seriously is the option of getting further marginalized by the BCS (or playing the forever waiting game of somehow getting an invite to the BCS?) the path they want to stay on. Bolt now while you have some market and visibility, or just watch it erode away
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Post by StuffU on Aug 9, 2014 14:24:24 GMT -5
Barack was never gonna happen either. When you speak in absolutes, you speak absolute bull%*$#. No. I'm living in reality.
These small schools need the money. That is reality.Only under the current business model. No reason they can't change the business model.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Aug 9, 2014 14:29:06 GMT -5
Barack was never gonna happen either. When you speak in absolutes, you speak absolute bull%*$#. No. I'm living in reality.
These small schools need the money. That is reality.lol, you are acting as if they have no choice, all the more reason to change their model now. they don't actually 'need' their money unless they are happy with being a lower than lower class citizen , they need to change their model and it's the BCS arrogance like what you suggest that points to that the non-BCS schools need to IMMEDIATELY address being in the same organization, they should vote down the BCS proposal AND bolt the NCAA, because the NCAA is not interested in them because of the money the NCAA NEEDS from the BCS. the non-BCS needs to recognize the NCAA is not a viable organization for them, period!
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Post by elevationvb on Aug 9, 2014 14:35:00 GMT -5
No. I'm living in reality.
These small schools need the money. That is reality. Only under the current business model. No reason they can't change the business model. Sorry, not going to happen. These schools are not going to pass up on million dollar pay days in football to help with their athletic dept. budget. They are not going abandon March Madness in basketball where big bucks are paid to play with the top programs.
BTW, SMU pays their football coach $2ml+ a season. That's why they signed a 4 year contract with Texas A&M. They are not going to stop playing the major football programs.
What is going to happen is you have the power 5 and then there will be the non power 5 schools creating upper echelons within the remaining schools. It's already being discussed by teams in c-USA.
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Post by elevationvb on Aug 9, 2014 14:38:10 GMT -5
No. I'm living in reality.
These small schools need the money. That is reality. lol, you are acting as if they have no choice, all the more reason to change their model now. they don't actually 'need' their money unless they are happy with being a lower than lower class citizen , they need to change their model and it's the BCS arrogance like what you suggest that points to that the non-BCS schools need to IMMEDIATELY address being in the same organization, they should vote down the BCS proposal AND bolt the NCAA, because the NCAA is not interested in them because of the money the NCAA NEEDS from the BCS. the non-BCS needs to recognize the NCAA is not a viable organization for them, period! Not going to happen. Why? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
And for accuracy sake, the BCS doesn't exist anymore.
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Post by StuffU on Aug 9, 2014 14:42:29 GMT -5
Only under the current business model. No reason they can't change the business model. Sorry, not going to happen. These schools are not going to pass up on million dollar pay days in football to help with their athletic dept. budget. They are not going abandon March Madness in basketball where big bucks are paid to play with the top programs.
BTW, SMU pays their football coach $2ml+ a season. That's why they signed a 4 year contract with Texas A&M. They are not going to stop playing the major football programs.
What is going to happen is you have the power 5 and then there will be the non power 5 schools creating upper echelons within the remaining schools. It's already being discussed by teams in c-USA. If they like sniffing ass all day, they will follow your lead. And I suspect you're right. If they want control, they'll take do as ccmanlb suggests.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Aug 9, 2014 14:45:14 GMT -5
lol, you are acting as if they have no choice, all the more reason to change their model now. they don't actually 'need' their money unless they are happy with being a lower than lower class citizen , they need to change their model and it's the BCS arrogance like what you suggest that points to that the non-BCS schools need to IMMEDIATELY address being in the same organization, they should vote down the BCS proposal AND bolt the NCAA, because the NCAA is not interested in them because of the money the NCAA NEEDS from the BCS. the non-BCS needs to recognize the NCAA is not a viable organization for them, period! Not going to happen. Why? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
And for accuracy sake, the BCS doesn't exist anymore.the BCS exists - it's the five conferences, whatever the heck the technically are, shall I just say the 'Big Five'? it's because of $$$ that a breakoff should happen (and also because of the sheer arrogance characterized by your post and mentality:) ) now, I doubt it will because the non-BCS are too unorganized / lack of leadership & lack of balls to drive the issue, but if they did, it would not be a good thing for your beloved BCS - but really, screw Texas and that ship it sailed in on ! as far as I'm concerned. you obviously could care less about non-BCS, so why should I (or any non-BCS) give a s&%t about Texas??? not that you would care
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Post by elevationvb on Aug 9, 2014 15:18:16 GMT -5
Not going to happen. Why? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
And for accuracy sake, the BCS doesn't exist anymore. the BCS exists - it's the five conferences, whatever the heck the technically are, shall I just say the 'Big Five'? it's because of $$$ that a breakoff should happen (and also because of the sheer arrogance characterized by your post and mentality:) ) now, I doubt it will because the non-BCS are too unorganized / lack of leadership & lack of balls to drive the issue, but if they did, it would not be a good thing for your beloved BCS - but really, screw Texas and that ship it sailed in on ! as far as I'm concerned. you obviously could care less about non-BCS, so why should I (or any non-BCS) give a s&%t about Texas??? not that you would care Yea, maybe it's just the BCS championship game that changed. It's now the Bowl Championship Series.
Anyway, the smaller schools screwed up by voting down measures supported by the major schools such as yearly stipends, 5 year scholarship contracts, etc.
You should care about Texas football, because now is your teams best chance to beat the team!
BTW, I just picked up my season tickets in the mail, so I am very happy. North Texas is the opening game - - sure they are being paid big bucks to play in Austin.
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Post by elevationvb on Aug 9, 2014 15:19:47 GMT -5
Sorry, not going to happen. These schools are not going to pass up on million dollar pay days in football to help with their athletic dept. budget. They are not going abandon March Madness in basketball where big bucks are paid to play with the top programs.
BTW, SMU pays their football coach $2ml+ a season. That's why they signed a 4 year contract with Texas A&M. They are not going to stop playing the major football programs.
What is going to happen is you have the power 5 and then there will be the non power 5 schools creating upper echelons within the remaining schools. It's already being discussed by teams in c-USA. If they like sniffing ass all day, they will follow your lead. And I suspect you're right. If they want control, they'll take do as ccmanlb suggests. Let's see, "sniffing ass", "absolute @$$%*!*" - - you are kinda out of control today!
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Aug 9, 2014 15:41:13 GMT -5
the BCS exists - it's the five conferences, whatever the heck the technically are, shall I just say the 'Big Five'? it's because of $$$ that a breakoff should happen (and also because of the sheer arrogance characterized by your post and mentality:) ) now, I doubt it will because the non-BCS are too unorganized / lack of leadership & lack of balls to drive the issue, but if they did, it would not be a good thing for your beloved BCS - but really, screw Texas and that ship it sailed in on ! as far as I'm concerned. you obviously could care less about non-BCS, so why should I (or any non-BCS) give a s&%t about Texas??? not that you would care Yea, maybe it's just the BCS championship game that changed. It's now the Bowl Championship Series.
Anyway, the smaller schools screwed up by voting down measures supported by the major schools such as yearly stipends, 5 year scholarship contracts, etc.
You should care about Texas football, because now is your teams best chance to beat the team!
BTW, I just picked up my season tickets in the mail, so I am very happy. North Texas is the opening game - - sure they are being paid big bucks to play in Austin.
uhhh, why again should I care about Texas football?? actually I could care less about football period, I hope football as a sport just collapses, it is boring, takes 4 hours, not much action - football has become nothing more than a modern day gladiator sport with athletes developing into physical 'freaks', there is simply nothing redeeming or that interesting about modern day football in America IMO - it is an obscene sport that is largely not really very interesting to actually watch in person and whose growth is driven by televised 'viewability' - I'll grant you there is some societal value to the social pre-game tailgating (notwithstanding college students getting hammered early Saturday mornings ). I hope high schools start shutting down football programs (Texas can continue to march on, god bless you guys in Texas nation,and keep building more of your artificial turf high school stadiums!) really have nothing against anyone that is into football, if that is your cup of tea, I just personally think it is a waste of resources for public entities to continue to finance the 'football-industrial-complex' - thank god LA has up to this point wisely not wasted taxpayer money to back/finance a LA stadium, California/LA needs professional football like it needs a hole in the head. precisely why the non-BCS schools should break off and SHUT OUT the BCS schools, (long-term football has some very dubious qualities about it, albeit as it tries to migrate to more of a arena-flag football sport ) and ultimately align themselves outside of football might actually have some pay-off 10 years down the road, and having their own basketball tournament has risk, but again nothing to lose. seriously, to each their own, I really do hope you enjoy your Texas gladiator spectacle of walloping North Texas in a few weeks and enjoy being in that cocoon of illusion - have fun!!! I'll be taking a hike, having a bloody mary, and playing a couple sets of tennis why you spend 6-7 hours enjoying your spectacle !
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Post by livbfan on Aug 9, 2014 17:38:13 GMT -5
the only comment I have on this legislation is that all you Penn State, Florida, Ohio State, Nebraska, Texas, UCLA, USC, Washington, Wisconsin, ......etc. fans & alumni can go royally screw yourselves because this is directly related to the greed of your institutions - enjoy your new super league you hypocrits - unless you fans of the BCS are out there advocating pay for performance (i.e. Destinee Hooker gets a $50,000 stipend and the back-up libero gets $1,000) or unless you are out there advocating to detach football from academia altogether then whatever you have to say is just so much BS. I'm sure every single school you listed would more than happily advocate to detach football from academia all together especially if that meant no Title IX restrictions. They really should. There seems like there isn't any benefit to staying in the NCAA for the Power 5 folks. Just go completely semi pro.
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Post by Mocha on Aug 14, 2014 20:31:16 GMT -5
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Post by pogoball on Aug 16, 2014 21:52:38 GMT -5
lol, you are acting as if they have no choice, all the more reason to change their model now. they don't actually 'need' their money unless they are happy with being a lower than lower class citizen , they need to change their model and it's the BCS arrogance like what you suggest that points to that the non-BCS schools need to IMMEDIATELY address being in the same organization, they should vote down the BCS proposal AND bolt the NCAA, because the NCAA is not interested in them because of the money the NCAA NEEDS from the BCS. the non-BCS needs to recognize the NCAA is not a viable organization for them, period! Not going to happen. Why? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
And for accuracy sake, the BCS doesn't exist anymore.You're clearly missing the point. They "need" the money because of the model created by the power-5 conferences. If they changed the model to one that makes sense for a school without a big TV contract, they not only wouldn't need the payouts, they'd be in much better financial position. To rephrase, their football programs need the money because they are forced to try to field a program on a level with the big money schools. Even with these payouts, their football programs still lose copious amounts of money and are a large drain of school resources. If they instead scaled back their programs to be proportionate to other sports teams, their football teams might even get into the black. Offer a normal number of scholarships, have facilities closer to D2 teams than NFL teams, etc. To rephrase again, they should do this because of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. They would simply be better off. Ultimately, they will all eventually realize that NCAA D1 football is a professional sports league. What the NFL, NBA, NHL & MLB have all eventually done is to adopt a form of revenue sharing. The sacrificial lamb payouts are a pathetic attempt at revenue sharing and is not a sustainable model. The power-5 need the other programs to continue with the cash flow. Their fan bases are used to having at least 6 wins a season via several mid-major cupcake games. If you take away the mid-majors, the power-5 fan bases (read, $$$) will be less than thrilled with regular losing records.
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