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Post by bball on Aug 10, 2014 17:01:03 GMT -5
I don't think Fien makes the L2 by the time Big10 play rolls in. It will be Amber
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Post by vbgirls2 on Aug 10, 2014 17:30:48 GMT -5
I am not sure what school has the most players playing overseas internationally, but I do know that Nebraska is right up there with many former Huskers playing overseas. There are girls that hope to get this opportunity, and I know that Cook has helped many of them with both contacts and contracts.
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Post by ay2013 on Aug 10, 2014 18:28:11 GMT -5
Fact remains that Cook pushes players to be all-around gamers and emphasizes solid back-row play, indicative in Team USA's current starting passers. I've always known Nebraska (from watching their matches and reading interviews) for their ball control on serve/receive. The connection I make to future OHs for Team USA is the likeness they won't come from college teams where they only played three rotations (Webster). I acquiesced that both Robo and Larson were anomalies coming into college, but Robo really flourished under Cook and so has the long list of OHs that developed into solid back-row players. Houghtelling, Mueller and Werth are the examples I gave. I wish the NCAA, for the sake of developing players for the NT, would drop the number of substitutions allowed per set. And to put this into perspective for you, I'm arguing that Nebraska is traditionally the team to watch for developing stellar back-row players. Other coaches and programs (including the one you support) would rather sub these players out for a defensive specialist. The last 4 years you had been arguing about and promoting Miyashiro's future on the NT, and look where that turned out. LOL 1-I still wonder what this whole "OH developed into solid backrow players" is about. Were players like Houghtelling, Mueller, and Werth NOT good backrow players coming into Nebraska? I don't know much about Houghtelling in prep but what I recall of Mueller and Werth, they were accomplished 6 rotation players in HS and club. Also, none of these players are on the NT, and never will be. I could name a ton of players from other schools who were solid back row players...so what? I'm just not sure where this makes Nebraska "stand out". I could see if Cook turned Licht or Morgan B. into solid backrow players, but he didn't. He seemingly is doing what pretty much every other college coach is doing, which is taking players who already have general abilities in the backrow to keep the team in system and allowing them to play...again, so what? 2-It's not the NCAA's job to develop players for the NT. There are thousands of NCAA athletes, and, what 20 or so NT members? It's USAV's job to develop players for the NT, not the NCAA. 3- As for Miyashiro, what does she have to do with anything regarding Cook and Nebraska?
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Post by ay2013 on Aug 10, 2014 18:45:31 GMT -5
Oh I agree. It's not like he developed some underrated talent at like number 48 and made her into an all American and amazing player. He got an amazing player and maintained that. He's one of the best coaches In the NCAA by far (even though I disagree with his demeanor ALOT.) what I meant was Larson spent all years at Nebraska so I consider her development from cook. And I agree. If I recall, no one predicted Larson would be one of the best 3 OH, in the world when she left Nebraska and she did. She definitely blossomed our of college Banwarth? The first time she wore an opposite colored jersey was at Nebraska. She played setter prior to committing to Nebraska. Now she's one of the top liberos in the world and definitely the most unsung player (overshadowed by current nobodies like Mass, Ailes, Hagglund, and Miyashiro) when she was in college. so? I'm not sure how bashing other very high quality college libero's proves your point about Cook.
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Post by swiltgen on Aug 10, 2014 19:12:11 GMT -5
You are correct that it's not the NCAA's job to train NT members, however some synchrony between the two would serve the USA volleyball pipeline well. If you look at the vulnerable spots for the NT this year, it's at OH. Less subsitutions in the NCAA would force OH to play all 6 rotations more often where they could learn skills that transfer to the international game, making them more ready for that transition.
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Post by ay2013 on Aug 10, 2014 19:18:23 GMT -5
You are correct that it's not the NCAA's job to train NT members, however some synchrony between the two would serve the USA volleyball pipeline well. If you look at the vulnerable spots for the NT this year, it's at OH. Less substitutions in the NCAA would force OH to play all 6 rotations more often where they could learn skills that transfer to the international game, making them more ready for that transition. the only thing it *could* do is add more people to the OH's pool of candidates, but they wouldn't necessarily be better candidates. I'm not sure it makes the people who are already good, better. The programs with the better athletes and the better coached teams generally tend to have both of their OH's play all 6 rotations, usually at least their best one. Also, you can look at all the big names for OH throughout the last 5-10 years for the national team and what you will find are mostly players who were not only highly ranked coming out of high school, but played for distinguished programs, and most importantly, HAVE PLAYED 6 ROTATIONS ALL OF THEIR LIVES. Year in and year the top programs best OH is usually a 6 rotation player (some notable exceptions). I'm not sure how fewer substitutions makes those players any better.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2014 19:19:36 GMT -5
You are correct that it's not the NCAA's job to train NT members, however some synchrony between the two would serve the USA volleyball pipeline well. If you look at the vulnerable spots for the NT this year, it's at OH. Less substitutions in the NCAA would force OH to play all 6 rotations more often where they could learn skills that transfer to the international game, making them more ready for that transition. Last year every top 25's best OH was a 6 rotation player. Not true.
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Post by ay2013 on Aug 10, 2014 19:28:49 GMT -5
Last year every top 25's best OH was a 6 rotation player. Not true. Ok, some notable exceptions like Henning at Missouri, but those are the exceptions not the rule. Generally the best OH's in the country, and those that play for the best teams, are usually 6 rotation players, regardless of the number of substitutions.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Aug 10, 2014 19:31:37 GMT -5
Ok, some notable exceptions like Henning at Missouri, but those are the exceptions not the rule. Generally the best OH's in the country, and those that play for the best teams, are usually 6 rotation players, regardless of the number of substitutions. Henning was 6 rotations and an opposite.... Wisconsin, Purdue, BYU off the top of my head didn't have their best OH's playing all the way around. And a few more weren't primaryor fulltime passers.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Aug 10, 2014 19:35:33 GMT -5
You are correct that it's not the NCAA's job to train NT members, however some synchrony between the two would serve the USA volleyball pipeline well. If you look at the vulnerable spots for the NT this year, it's at OH. Less substitutions in the NCAA would force OH to play all 6 rotations more often where they could learn skills that transfer to the international game, making them more ready for that transition. the only thing it *could* do is add more people to the OH's pool of candidates, but they wouldn't necessarily be better candidates. I'm not sure it makes the people who are already good, better. The programs with the better athletes and the better coached teams generally tend to have both of their OH's play all 6 rotations, usually at least their best one. Also, you can look at all the big names for OH throughout the last 5-10 years for the national team and what you will find are mostly players who were not only highly ranked coming out of high school, but played for distinguished programs, and most importantly, HAVE PLAYED 6 ROTATIONS ALL OF THEIR LIVES. Year in and year the top programs best OH is usually a 6 rotation player (some notable exceptions). I'm not sure how fewer substitutions makes those players any better. 2 of the 4 first-team AA outsides don't fit this mold. Eckerman played 6 but wasn't a primary passer. Hartong just started passing and playing all the way around. 2 more AA outsides (Webster and Gray) didn't play all the way around.....
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Post by ay2013 on Aug 10, 2014 19:57:15 GMT -5
the only thing it *could* do is add more people to the OH's pool of candidates, but they wouldn't necessarily be better candidates. I'm not sure it makes the people who are already good, better. The programs with the better athletes and the better coached teams generally tend to have both of their OH's play all 6 rotations, usually at least their best one. Also, you can look at all the big names for OH throughout the last 5-10 years for the national team and what you will find are mostly players who were not only highly ranked coming out of high school, but played for distinguished programs, and most importantly, HAVE PLAYED 6 ROTATIONS ALL OF THEIR LIVES. Year in and year the top programs best OH is usually a 6 rotation player (some notable exceptions). I'm not sure how fewer substitutions makes those players any better. 2 of the 4 first-team AA outsides don't fit this mold. Eckerman played 6 but wasn't a primary passer. Hartong just started passing and playing all the way around. 2 more AA outsides (Webster and Gray) didn't play all the way around..... Eckerman wasn't in every service rotation but she did pass, Hartong only moved to the OH permanently the last two years, and was a passer the majority of that time. I'll give you Webster and Gray. But still, that's like two AA OH's who only played 3 rotations, compared to 12+ that at the very least played all 6 rotations, if not primary passers. I'm not saying that there aren't teams who don't hide the backrow play of their OH's, what I'm saying is that the players who have the skills to be 6 rotation players at the next level are already playing 6 rotations in college. the NCAA limiting substitutions doesn't mean that a player like Webster or Gray are going to be good enough to get a starting OH spot on the national team.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2014 20:01:59 GMT -5
You edit your post to make it seem like you didn't say that "the best OH on every top 25 team played six rotations." That's funny.
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Post by ay2013 on Aug 10, 2014 20:04:17 GMT -5
You edit your post to make it seem like you didn't say that "the best OH on every top 25 team played six rotations." That's funny. actually I was in the process of editing it before I even saw that you posted to my original post. I know what I originally said, and have amended it.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Aug 10, 2014 20:09:46 GMT -5
2 of the 4 first-team AA outsides don't fit this mold. Eckerman played 6 but wasn't a primary passer. Hartong just started passing and playing all the way around. 2 more AA outsides (Webster and Gray) didn't play all the way around..... Eckerman wasn't in every service rotation but she did pass, Hartong only moved to the OH permanently the last two years, and was a passer the majority of that time. I'll give you Webster and Gray. But still, that's like two AA OH's who only played 3 rotations, compared to 12+ that at the very least played all 6 rotations, if not primary passers. I'm not saying that there aren't teams who don't hide the backrow play of their OH's, what I'm saying is that the players who have the skills to be 6 rotation players at the next level are already playing 6 rotations in college. the NCAA limiting substitutions doesn't mean that a player like Webster or Gray are going to be good enough to get a starting OH spot on the national team. Eckerman proves the opposite of your point there. She's probably the best prospective terminating outside at the National Team level and she just started passing part-time as a junior in college.
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Post by NebraskaVBfan93 on Aug 10, 2014 20:18:43 GMT -5
I don't think Fien makes the L2 by the time Big10 play rolls in. It will be Amber I agree with your first statement. Not your second.
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