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Post by 808 on Sept 15, 2004 13:30:22 GMT -5
I would think the opposite. To lose to a team who turns around and loses to an unranked team? Makes USC look worse, not better. I'd agree with Mumsie. The Illinois loss definitely does not help USC. |
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Post by TheTseb on Sept 15, 2004 19:36:17 GMT -5
The Illinois lost can be attributed to the players on both sides knowing each other. They have played each other in high school and club so many times they know each others tendencies. Loyola - Chicago is to be congratulated on the win. It looks like they used what they learned in the past to help them in the future. TheBest,  |
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Sept 15, 2004 19:54:50 GMT -5
The Illinois lost can be attributed to the players on both sides knowing each other. They have played each other in high school and club so many times they know each others tendencies. Loyola - Chicago is to be congratulated on the win. It looks like they used what they learned in the past to help them in the future. On the other hand, the Illinois players are apparently stupid and didn't learn anything from playing before. That's what I hate about these types of arguments. The unspoken implication that is involved... |
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Post by TheTseb on Sept 15, 2004 20:15:26 GMT -5
No. There is no "other implication" then what I said. If there is any "other implication" it is by your spoken word not mine. Take it anyway you what it. It has nothing to do with stupidity. It has to do with the coach allowing the players to use the art of Sun Zu in volleyball competition. TheBest, |
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Sept 15, 2004 20:26:18 GMT -5
No. There is no "other implication" then what I said. If there is any "other implication" it is by your spoken word not mine. But by stating that Loyola benefited from their experience in playing Illinois and that is why they are won, you ARE implying that Illinois did not benefit from their experience, at least to the same extent. I wonder why Loyola got all this benefit but Illinois does not? Are they just too stupid to learn? Or what? I agree that you didn't do it on purpose, but the implication that Illinois did not learn from previous experience is inherent in the argument you made. That's why its a bad argument to make. |
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Post by TheTseb on Sept 15, 2004 21:19:23 GMT -5
It is not a bad argument. First year coach at Loyola - Chicago. His control on the team is not that tight - he lets the setter and hitters have some control of the game's flow. Hardin I feel doesn't - just an observation. That is why Illinois has a hard time winnning with Consistency. The coach dictates too much control - no matter what is going on. Hardin is more of a control type coach O'brien is a flow type coach - doesn' t force the issue. TheBest, |
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Post by Island on Sept 16, 2004 18:53:30 GMT -5
There are some coaches that are like that. The better the team is or the floor general is, the less control you need tot ake. Or you can just talk your floor general's ear off.. it's up to the coach. I've seen coaches who were rigid system people lay off a little in recent years. Maybe Hardin is just one of those people who has to pick someone he can trust. Or maybe just doesn't feel he can so he tries to put them in the place he thinks will allow them to win. I like to call it coaching anxiety. Sometimes you feel, there's more you can do to change the course of the game.
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Post by BOTE on Sept 16, 2004 20:48:28 GMT -5
Way to much analysis going on here. Simply put Illinois probably did to much celebrating after the USC win. Underestimated Loyola like they have several times in the recent past and just got outplayed and outhustled, plain and simple. Similar thing probably happened to USC when they visited Illinois. My guess is they underestimated the bedlam and supportive fans at Huff Gym. Unless you play in the Big Ten there are some strong home court advantages at Illinois, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Penn State and Purdue. All these schools
draw very well and the gym can really rock. Also heard that Illinois did not play bad they just got beat by a team that was waiting for them.
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Post by Island on Sept 16, 2004 20:53:34 GMT -5
Yeah, I've been reading stuff on the Big Ten site for a few years and notice there is a strong home advantage for many teams. Many conference champions don't expect to win when they go to places like Huff.
I agree that the Ramblers were better prepared than the Illini. However, they need to bounce back because losing on the road in your home state isn't the most encouraging(not that Illinois is not big). Just get the kinks out and work it. When spoilers like the Ramblers come out, they need to push back hard.
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