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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 19, 2014 22:37:29 GMT -5
OK. I admit was very very casual in my original description. And I didn't know there was a distinct libero sub zone separate from the regular sub zone. Or whatever.
From the point of a casual fan, it sure looks like how I originally described it.
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Post by 5100 on Aug 20, 2014 6:35:03 GMT -5
Huh? What's all the drama about? mikegarrison was correct in both his posts.
This is how I understood it, using the 2013 UH team as an example:
MB Kalei Adolpho rotates to the serving spot, she is subbed out for serving specialist Kayla Kawamura. After Kawamura's serving turn is done (opponent sides out), she is replaced by libero Ali Longo. When Longo rotates to the front, she goes out and Kawamura returns to the court briefly only to be subbed out for Adolpho. That's when the hand touch thing happens between Kawamura and Adolpho.
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Post by vbman100 on Aug 20, 2014 8:57:17 GMT -5
I think when mikegarrison said 'hand touch thing' he is talking about a formal substitution. others saw 'hand touch thing' and did not recognize that as meaning a formal sub.
Or maybe I misread it too.
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Post by WI FIB on Aug 20, 2014 9:33:30 GMT -5
Not a sub. Middles switch beyond the 10 foot line. ...and in front of the end line.
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Post by rockhopper on Aug 20, 2014 14:02:38 GMT -5
Most club players have been doing this since they were twelve. Just ask one of them.
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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 20, 2014 14:07:21 GMT -5
Huh? What's all the drama about? mikegarrison was correct in both his posts. This is how I understood it, using the 2013 UH team as an example: MB Kalei Adolpho rotates to the serving spot, she is subbed out for serving specialist Kayla Kawamura. After Kawamura's serving turn is done (opponent sides out), she is replaced by libero Ali Longo. When Longo rotates to the front, she goes out and Kawamura returns to the court briefly only to be subbed out for Adolpho. That's when the hand touch thing happens between Kawamura and Adolpho. On a side note, is there ever a vowel shortage in Hawaii? People there use so many of them....
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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 20, 2014 14:10:00 GMT -5
I think when mikegarrison said 'hand touch thing' he is talking about a formal substitution. others saw 'hand touch thing' and did not recognize that as meaning a formal sub. Yes, that was what I meant, in my overly casual way of describing it.
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Post by feltrider on Aug 22, 2014 8:54:13 GMT -5
Awesome! I think I got it
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Post by nationalreferee on Sept 1, 2014 4:24:44 GMT -5
I'm helping coach a team and there's one thing I am not totally clear on. It's how to rotate one Libero from the one MH going to the front row to the MH moving to the back row. There is no substitution so where and how does the transfer take place? Does the do the MH's just swap behind the 10' line or does there have to be a full point in-between the two libero coverages? Thanks for your help on this seemingly easy question. Maybe a different way to answer your original question... Your situation (libero already on the court and is to be the next server) is the ONLY situation where there does not have to be a point (completed rally) between two separate replacements. The libero just goes from her back left position directly to the service zone, and your two middles enter and exit the court in the libero replacement zone (sideline). This is two replacements and recorded as two separate replacememts. (MB re-entering for libero rotating to front row & libero entering for MB about to serve--there is simply no need for the libero to exit the court just to immediately come back in). And technically, your middles do not 'switch'...they just might run past each other-but each MB is involved in a separate replacement with the libero. For clarity to my players when I coached, I had them practice two full replacements at the same time-meaning the libero exited and then re-entered immediately. When the players understood who was replacing who, then I started having the libero just go directly to the service area and my middles entered/exited without worrying about the libero. 3 rotations later, yes--the libero MUST exit the court because she is ineligible to serve in that rotation. After 1 point (completed rally) she may enter again, but may not serve in that spot. Assuming she only plays for your MB's, she will sit out until you lose your serve/side-out. There's more advanced scenarios that were discussed in this thread, such as the on-court libero NOT in the back left position who will immediately serve next, and the scenario of substituting a player who will serve for that one MB for whom the libero can't serve for, but those are situations that probably go beyond your original basic question. Good luck!
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Post by nationalreferee on Sept 1, 2014 5:46:57 GMT -5
Libero is on the court for MH #1 and MH #9. She serves for #9. When she gets to position 5, and her team wins the sideout rally, she runs off the court (in libero exchange zone) for MH #1 who is coming in to serve. The coach decides he wants to sub #2 in to serve. MH #1 goes from libero exchange zone to the sub zone. #2 goes back and serves. When the team loses the rally, the libero comes into the match for her. When libero gets to position 5, serve receive rally is won and she goes directly to position 1 to serve (for MH #9). Player #2 leaves the bench and exchanges with the libero, goes directly to the sub zone and MH #1 subs in. This doesn't make sense. (Trying to follow). In your situation, when the libero (already served for #9) is in position 5 and then rotates, the ONLY replacement had better be #9 coming back in to play front row. #1 and #2 can sub normally, neither one has anything to do with the libero. And in your situation, #1 wouldn't be 'coming in' to serve...she's already on the court (front right). #1 wouldn't be involved with a libero replacement in any way. If the coach wants #2 to serve, then simply sub #2 for #1. The libero is replaced by #9. 99% of the time when you see a libero replacement and sub happen immediately with the same regular player, it almost always involves a serving specialist coming in to serve-and only serve- for a MH--(the libero plays that position in the back row except seeving) The correct scenario would be: as they rotate #2 subs for #1. At the same time, #9 replaces the libero moving to the front row. **#1 or #2 at this point cannot be involved in a libero transaction because that position is rotating into serve and the libero is ineligible to serve in that spot** After #2 serves and sides out the coach can (A) sub #1 back in and then immediately replace #1 with the libero to play back row, OR (2) replace #2 with the libero-then 2 1/2 rotations later when that position rotates to the front row, #2 replaces the libero but is immediately subbed for #1 coming back in to play front row.
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