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Post by volleyvolleyfan on Sept 2, 2014 10:54:28 GMT -5
FSU beat Nebraska on thier home court and had less points scored on them than Stanford vs. Iowa State. Does this give FSU at least a little credibility early one this season..
Or maybe it will take them to win over Florida this Thursday night..? before posters will give them a little credit..
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Post by badgerbreath on Sept 2, 2014 10:55:10 GMT -5
I'm not sure I understand the argument behind having Purdue on a list of teams with "potential to be dominating," while Wisco only "maybe" has that potential. Wisco has done pretty well against Purdue last year (swept em at home and beat them soundly in the NCAA) and is basically the same team with a few upgrades this year at positions that were weak last year. Which leads me to wonder more generally, what's the criteria behind that list?
Frankly, I think it's really hard to project based on form this early in the season. Teams are still adjusting to new players, new systems, new roles, getting into grooves, developing confidence. Differences are exaggerated, and may even be inverted, because every team is on a different development curve and the curves are steep. What it does tell you are the things that have to improve and what things are going OK. In that sense, Nebraska may have learned more than Stanford from that match, though I haven't watched it. You need a few weekends to really see how teams are progressing and dealing with problems that become apparent.
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Post by redbeard2008 on Sept 2, 2014 10:58:47 GMT -5
Stanford's defense can make even very good offenses look inept. Simply based on who they played, I think it is safe to say that Nebraska is better than they looked. How good remains to be seen - the critical question is how do they replace Robo's production (and not just on offense).
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Post by dorothymantooth on Sept 2, 2014 11:02:31 GMT -5
"nineteen" isn't low teens Einstein. Nebraska didn't play very well for sure, but before you have them bottoming out in Big, remember that nobody in the Big has played two top ten teams to this point. Lots of Big Ten teams would have been 0-2 this weekend. Very true Columbus! Also, I'm not arguing with you either so you can chill out! Pull panties out and un-wad them please. I'm no Einstein and didn't take one to see how bad Nebraska played this weekend and how well Stanford did, same for ISU. Am I saying they will be horrible all season, no, just calling out what was seen this weekend, I hope Nebraska will be the team they've always been able to become in past seasons but this weekend, they are low teens at best. I don't take any issue with how you think Nebraska played, they didn't play well, and need to play better to be competitive in their league. Just bizarre that you take exception with a coach voting themselves in the exact same place all the coaches did, and that 12 is too high, they should be low teens? What you are essentially saying is that for the most part their coach and the other pollsters got it right.
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Post by texasnewbie on Sept 2, 2014 11:07:57 GMT -5
When discussing the poll, "low" and "high" should be taken in context of the poll. Would you say "No. 1" is a low ranking because 1 is a low number? Is "No. 25" a high ranking? When texasnewbie wrote "low teens", I took that to mean 17-18-19 as taken in the context of the poll (not saying I necessarily agree with the idea, just defending the language...carry on!) that's all I meant, it doesn't bother me if anyone agrees or not but my goodness, such mean people on here LOL. It's just my opinion of where I though Nebraska should be at this time. That's all. Thanks Lionsfan, it's cool you don't agree or if you do, it's a thread where we all have our own opinions and some know more about the game and polls and RPI's than others, it's an opinion. Good luck on the match with Stanford, I think I will be neutral because I'm super excited to see PSU finally and also see how PSU handles their toughest preseason match yet.
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Post by alpacaone on Sept 2, 2014 11:13:35 GMT -5
It was scuffed at in the predictions thread that Texas, Wash, USC could be placed 8-10 comparing them to how other teams performed. That they remain high in the polls shows the poll is as much about expectations as it's about performance. For example Lousiville soundly defeats Minny, yet Mn is 18 and Lousiville tied 24. At this point we don't have any idea if Neb is even a top25 team, it could be that the weekend's losses are an expected outcome that any top program would put on a top20-30. It's always scary for both sides that a big win may in fact be little more than another win. Play along with a little luck will decide wether teams can meet or even exceed expectations.
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Post by texasnewbie on Sept 2, 2014 11:18:43 GMT -5
Very true Columbus! Also, I'm not arguing with you either so you can chill out! Pull panties out and un-wad them please. I'm no Einstein and didn't take one to see how bad Nebraska played this weekend and how well Stanford did, same for ISU. Am I saying they will be horrible all season, no, just calling out what was seen this weekend, I hope Nebraska will be the team they've always been able to become in past seasons but this weekend, they are low teens at best. I don't take any issue with how you think Nebraska played, they didn't play well, and need to play better to be competitive in their league. Just bizarre that you take exception with a coach voting themselves in the exact same place all the coaches did, and that 12 is too high, they should be low teens? What you are essentially saying is that for the most part their coach and the other pollsters got it right. I guess man. Nebraska IN MY OPINION is around the talent RIGHT NOW in the season as other teams in the 15-19 ranked teams, the lower teens. That's all. I don't see who votes for what or whom, I don't even know where to look at what coach votes where, I just watch the game I've played and coached for 26 years at all levels. If you ask me about RPI's and Polls etc, I couldn't calculate or tell you where to go to see that Cook voted his team 10th and I don't care either, I just watch and then I put my opinion on here, that's all. I know volleyball inside and out, played at top levels but when you get into coaches votes and crap like that, I really could care less, I was merely saying that watching a horrible Nebraska team this weekend lose at home both times shouldn't be where they're at this week compared to other teams. It's my opinion and that's it. I respect your opinion.
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Post by SportyBucky on Sept 2, 2014 11:21:14 GMT -5
How funny. Nebraska would have lost to Louisville if they played the way they did against Stanford. Do you think Louisville is better than FSU? Of course not. You're tiresome.
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Post by texasnewbie on Sept 2, 2014 11:22:10 GMT -5
If anyone watched FSU early on, are they the same as the team from 2011? Final four in San Antonio but it was sort of laughed at with their presence, are they the same this year or can they compete by the end of the season for a title? What does that mean? "laughed at with their presence" There were some rude fans of Illinois behind a group of us in San Antonio and they were laughing that FSU made the final four. So I'm asking if FSU has a more dominant team than 2011 is all.
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Post by lionsfan on Sept 2, 2014 11:23:47 GMT -5
When discussing the poll, "low" and "high" should be taken in context of the poll. Would you say "No. 1" is a low ranking because 1 is a low number? Is "No. 25" a high ranking? When texasnewbie wrote "low teens", I took that to mean 17-18-19 as taken in the context of the poll (not saying I necessarily agree with the idea, just defending the language...carry on!) that's all I meant, it doesn't bother me if anyone agrees or not but my goodness, such mean people on here LOL. It's just my opinion of where I though Nebraska should be at this time. That's all. Thanks Lionsfan, it's cool you don't agree or if you do, it's a thread where we all have our own opinions and some know more about the game and polls and RPI's than others, it's an opinion. Good luck on the match with Stanford, I think I will be neutral because I'm super excited to see PSU finally and also see how PSU handles their toughest preseason match yet. Nebraska fell to where I expected; it's too early to tell where they (and everyone else) should really be. But your opinion isn't so far off or outlandish; not sure why dorothy is harping on the "low teens" aspect of your point, because the language made sense to me when taken in context of the poll. I'm excited to see how PSU stacks up with Stanford now too...I'm expecting a loss, but hoping they can put up a good fight.
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Post by texasnewbie on Sept 2, 2014 11:24:13 GMT -5
I'm not sure I understand the argument behind having Purdue on a list of teams with "potential to be dominating," while Wisco only "maybe" has that potential. Wisco has done pretty well against Purdue last year (swept em at home and beat them soundly in the NCAA) and is basically the same team with a few upgrades this year at positions that were weak last year. Which leads me to wonder more generally, what's the criteria behind that list? Frankly, I think it's really hard to project based on form this early in the season. Teams are still adjusting to new players, new systems, new roles, getting into grooves, developing confidence. Differences are exaggerated, and may even be inverted, because every team is on a different development curve and the curves are steep. What it does tell you are the things that have to improve and what things are going OK. In that sense, Nebraska may have learned more than Stanford from that match, though I haven't watched it. You need a few weekends to really see how teams are progressing and dealing with problems that become apparent. True. Wisconsin bring in the same starts basically with an unbelievable setter. I can't wait to see them prove that one thread on here that has them as the FLOP of the season wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 11:24:59 GMT -5
How funny. Nebraska would have lost to Louisville if they played the way they did against Stanford. Do you think Louisville is better than FSU? What does Wisconsin's schedule have to do with Nebraska's losses?
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Post by texasnewbie on Sept 2, 2014 11:26:50 GMT -5
that's all I meant, it doesn't bother me if anyone agrees or not but my goodness, such mean people on here LOL. It's just my opinion of where I though Nebraska should be at this time. That's all. Thanks Lionsfan, it's cool you don't agree or if you do, it's a thread where we all have our own opinions and some know more about the game and polls and RPI's than others, it's an opinion. Good luck on the match with Stanford, I think I will be neutral because I'm super excited to see PSU finally and also see how PSU handles their toughest preseason match yet. Nebraska fell to where I expected; it's too early to tell where they (and everyone else) should really be. But your opinion isn't so far off or outlandish; not sure why dorothy is harping on the "low teens" aspect of your point, because the language made sense to me when taken in context of the poll. I'm excited to see how PSU stacks up with Stanford now too...I'm expecting a loss, but hoping they can put up a good fight. Well, I heard PSU played very well this weekend even if they played lower teams, Ali I heard was lights out and Courtney did well also. I'm excited too. Stanford has all the makings of greatness this season, they had a very good class of athletes 2 years ago that are now Juniors. It will be fun to watch where they end up as well because everyone will get better as the season progresses.
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Post by Boof1224 on Sept 2, 2014 11:32:59 GMT -5
Nebraska fell to where I expected; it's too early to tell where they (and everyone else) should really be. But your opinion isn't so far off or outlandish; not sure why dorothy is harping on the "low teens" aspect of your point, because the language made sense to me when taken in context of the poll. I'm excited to see how PSU stacks up with Stanford now too...I'm expecting a loss, but hoping they can put up a good fight. Well, I heard PSU played very well this weekend even if they played lower teams, Ali I heard was lights out and Courtney did well also. I'm excited too. Stanford has all the makings of greatness this season, they had a very good class of athletes 2 years ago that are now Juniors. It will be fun to watch where they end up as well because everyone will get better as the season progresses.
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Post by Boof1224 on Sept 2, 2014 11:34:22 GMT -5
Frantti was very good opening weekend. The hype so far is justified. It's why she won conference fresh of week. Now let's see what she can bring against one of nations best teams
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