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Post by crawdaddy on Oct 6, 2014 9:59:36 GMT -5
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Post by JB Southpaw on Oct 6, 2014 10:34:09 GMT -5
wow, they stated that pretty clearly!
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Post by guest2 on Oct 6, 2014 11:25:42 GMT -5
Maybe its a function of how short the season is now, but the current trend definitely seems to be towards only making partner switches at the end of the season, as opposed to in the middle.
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Post by wang pu on Oct 6, 2014 12:17:17 GMT -5
Maybe its a function of how short the season is now, but the current trend definitely seems to be towards only making partner switches at the end of the season, as opposed to in the middle. Maybe for 2014, but wasn't it in early 2013 most of the women were playing musical chairs with each other (I can't remember clearly)? And that is how Summer/Emily ended up together?
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Post by crawdaddy on Oct 6, 2014 16:22:40 GMT -5
Maybe its a function of how short the season is now, but the current trend definitely seems to be towards only making partner switches at the end of the season, as opposed to in the middle. I think the complexity of the registration process plus the issue with points plus the complexities of international travel stops too much partner switching these days. In the Old School era, with the exception of a handful of top teams, there was partner-switching every week. It actually made the sport more interesting.
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Post by johnbar on Oct 6, 2014 16:35:45 GMT -5
... In the Old School era, with the exception of a handful of top teams, there was partner-switching every week. It actually made the sport more interesting. I agree.
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Post by guest2 on Oct 6, 2014 16:54:21 GMT -5
Maybe its a function of how short the season is now, but the current trend definitely seems to be towards only making partner switches at the end of the season, as opposed to in the middle. I think the complexity of the registration process plus the issue with points plus the complexities of international travel stops too much partner switching these days. In the Old School era, with the exception of a handful of top teams, there was partner-switching every week. It actually made the sport more interesting. It really did and the periodic top team switch that had huge ramifications, Randy dumping Sinjin, AJ dumping Randy, Hov dumping Dodd, those were great
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Post by crawdaddy on Oct 6, 2014 18:43:40 GMT -5
I think the complexity of the registration process plus the issue with points plus the complexities of international travel stops too much partner switching these days. In the Old School era, with the exception of a handful of top teams, there was partner-switching every week. It actually made the sport more interesting. It really did and the periodic top team switch that had huge ramifications, Randy dumping Sinjin, AJ dumping Randy, Hov dumping Dodd, those were great What was fascinating about that era, is that partner dumping/switching was expected and usually occurred with minimal bitterness. There was a hierarchy of players and it was understood that if you got the call from someone higher on the hierarchy it was okay to switch, usually without anyone getting pissed. As you say, that created a domino effect when one of the top teams split.
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Post by klazk on Oct 6, 2014 21:23:23 GMT -5
It really did and the periodic top team switch that had huge ramifications, Randy dumping Sinjin, AJ dumping Randy, Hov dumping Dodd, those were great What was fascinating about that era, is that partner dumping/switching was expected and usually occurred with minimal bitterness. There was a hierarchy of players and it was understood that if you got the call from someone higher on the hierarchy it was okay to switch, usually without anyone getting pissed. As you say, that created a domino effect when one of the top teams split. Is there bitterness now? Guest2 argues the game is too friendly now. I thought he argued there was MORE bitterness back then.
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Post by crawdaddy on Oct 7, 2014 0:08:04 GMT -5
What was fascinating about that era, is that partner dumping/switching was expected and usually occurred with minimal bitterness. There was a hierarchy of players and it was understood that if you got the call from someone higher on the hierarchy it was okay to switch, usually without anyone getting pissed. As you say, that created a domino effect when one of the top teams split. Is there bitterness now? Guest2 argues the game is too friendly now. I thought he argued there was MORE bitterness back then. I wasn't saying there is more or less bitterness then or now, only that it was interesting that so much partner swapping could occur back then without much animosity. It was understood and accepted that it was perfectly acceptable to dump a partner the Monday before the next tournament if a better partner asked you to play. I do agree that the current players just seem nicer (to their partner, to their opponents, to the refs) then they did back then. The current players keep their emotions more in check. Not saying it's good or bad, it just is.
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Post by guest2 on Oct 7, 2014 0:12:56 GMT -5
In certain cases there was a good amount back then. When Loiola and Steffes were winning everything the second best team for the first half of that year was Stoklos/Tanner. This was Randy's last great effort, before he quit the game over getting screwed out of money, or at least I think thats why he quit. Suffice it to say with a top 10 partner Stokie would have won 2-3 tournies rather than getting 7 seconds that year.
AJ, a much better player than Troy tried to dump a rehabbing Karch to play with Randy, but Randy was angry over being dumped for Jose a few years earlier and told him no.
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Post by JB Southpaw on Oct 7, 2014 7:44:31 GMT -5
So, only Theodore Brunner/John Mayer & Montgomery-Casebeer are only playing. The Men's Pools are a mess, with Bye's in 2 pools.
USA Women appear to have 4 teams in the Main as Hunkus-Vanzwieten get a bye in the Q match.
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Post by camkerr on Oct 7, 2014 21:40:21 GMT -5
And on the men's side, No qualification matches! yay! Everyone makes the main draw! Yay! I wonder if so few teams show up to these Opens if the FIVB will revisit the prize money and points again to make it them more desirable. Promoters and sponsors sign up to host these things only to: a) Not have the best teams come out b) So few teams show up that the competition is actually shorter. That means fewer ad impressions, spectators and everything that goes along with it. Anyways, As always, we've got the teams list, matches, scores and live streams right here on the site: volleyballsourcemag.com/news/2014/10/7/fivb-2014-xiamen-open
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Post by guest2 on Oct 8, 2014 0:10:05 GMT -5
Im amazed they dont even have a qualifier with local teams. They definitely need to revisit the money and points if the opens cant even fill tournies
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Post by JB Southpaw on Oct 8, 2014 7:33:57 GMT -5
Both USA Men's teams went 2-0, both have the worst team in their pool still to play so each should win their pools.
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