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Post by knowname on Sept 6, 2014 14:54:13 GMT -5
They'll be starting another freshman beginning next week. You are correct regarding PSU not being that young, but its the position the freshman are playing that is significant. I agree regarding holding off praise on a player who hasn't played yet, but I think your praise will come, she is awfully good. Frantti will have some disaster matches, they just way too many good teams for that not to happen. The poise that she plays with makes me believe she can and will be able to maintain a high level of performance. That really impressed me. Anybody can get a hot hand and have a great offensive night. I remember Katie Price ripped Stanford her freshman year, but nobody was thinking "this is what we think this kid will be able to do" agreed on all of this, but IMO they are also starting experienced upperclassmen at important positions too, which is at setter and in the backrow. PSU defense overall was pretty solid (except for the blocking) the backrow passed very well and the defenders touched a lot of balls. I haven't read every post in this thread so forgive me if I am asking the obvious. Are you implying that Haleigh Washington will be playing next weekend?
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Post by OptimusPrime on Sept 6, 2014 15:03:22 GMT -5
Can I just say, I told you so on Boukather She had/has such potential. Now Howard on the other hand is the achilles heel. Stanford is in need of another OH2.
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Post by vbbetterthanbb on Sept 6, 2014 15:17:48 GMT -5
Can I just say, I told you so on Boukather She had/has such potential. I became a Boukather fan after watching the Nebraska match. Yesterday I kept mumbling, "Please Morgan, just have all great matches this season but 2, this one, and in the FF -- against PSU." She didn't listen to me yesterday . Hope she will in December .
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Post by chisovnik on Sept 6, 2014 15:21:49 GMT -5
Ummmm. "One of" would be more reasonable. IMO, she's the best player. Now that can be debates because Vansant is only AMAZING. I should be more cautious and say one of though. My apologies Ugh. You again?
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Post by WahineFan44 on Sept 6, 2014 15:43:04 GMT -5
IMO, she's the best player. Now that can be debates because Vansant is only AMAZING. I should be more cautious and say one of though. My apologies Ugh. You again? Yes and we haven't really had any arguments lately. I would like it to stay that way. Is it unreasonable to say that micha is the best player in the nation? I don't think so.
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Post by chisovnik on Sept 6, 2014 15:52:37 GMT -5
Yes and we haven't really had any arguments lately. I would like it to stay that way. Is it unreasonable to say that micha is the best player in the nation? I don't think so. Carlini and Inky are significantly better than her. Both of them have a legitimate shot at competing in the Olympics someday. Hancock does not. I would also argue that Vansant and Nwanebu are better than her.
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Post by sportsfun on Sept 6, 2014 16:02:26 GMT -5
Someone mentioned that Boukather looked surprised too often and I'm assuming the poster meant surprised at her own performance. She is shocking the hell out of most of us and she might be surprising herself a bit in the process. Bugg has clearly worked on her connection to the RS because it's noticeably improved so far. It was frustratingly lacking at times last season. Bugg is a perfectionist and she'll do the work to clean up the rest. I suspect she gets in her head too much at times because she set uncharacteristically bad during practice the week leading up the PSU game last season and then we all saw how she set the actual game. Was it my imagination or did anyone else notice that at least Howard took several harder swings last night? I'm not saying it panned out but she seemed to be swinging harder or maybe I was just wiling it to be so. Burgess now has three games under her belt with only 1 BA against Nebraska.
The predominant question I have is, what is up with Russ Rose? Love or hate him, he strikes me as a coach that squeezes every ounce of potential from every player. Many hate him because he beats our collective teams so often but when trying to look at it more objectively, what are people's opinions on why that man wins so much? Yes, he gets great recruits but that's based on the program he built. What are the characteristics that set this man apart from most other coaches? I will reserve my observations for those of you with far more knowledge and who have watched his coaching abilities far more often.
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Post by wonderwarthog79 on Sept 6, 2014 16:09:32 GMT -5
Someone mentioned that Boukather looked surprised too often and I'm assuming the poster meant surprised at her own performance. She is shocking the hell out of most of us and she might be surprising herself a bit in the process. Bugg has clearly worked on her connection to the RS because it's noticeably improved so far. It was frustratingly lacking at times last season. Bugg is a perfectionist and she'll do the work to clean up the rest. I suspect she gets in her head too much at times because she set uncharacteristically bad during practice the week leading up the PSU game last season and then we all saw how she set the actual game. Was it my imagination or did anyone else notice that at least Howard took several harder swings last night? I'm not saying it panned out but she seemed to be swinging harder or maybe I was just wiling it to be so. Burgess now has three games under her belt with only 1 BA against Nebraska. The predominant question I have is, what is up with Russ Rose? Love or hate him, he strikes me as a coach that squeezes every ounce of potential from every player. Many hate him because he beats our collective teams so often but when trying to look at it more objectively, what are people's opinions on why that man wins so much? Yes, he gets great recruits but that's based on the program he built. What are the characteristics that set this man apart from most other coaches? I will reserve my observations for those of you with far more knowledge and who have watched his coaching abilities far more often. Can't answer your question since I don't think Rose is set "apart from most other coaches". I can explain why many people dislike him, and it has nothing to do with his success. That's the only reason I like him! Problem is that he is an arrogant bully. Last night he kept trying to intimidate the umpire, fortunately not succeeding. The UMPIRE??? How weak is that?
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Post by Boof1224 on Sept 6, 2014 16:12:16 GMT -5
Someone mentioned that Boukather looked surprised too often and I'm assuming the poster meant surprised at her own performance. She is shocking the hell out of most of us and she might be surprising herself a bit in the process. Bugg has clearly worked on her connection to the RS because it's noticeably improved so far. It was frustratingly lacking at times last season. Bugg is a perfectionist and she'll do the work to clean up the rest. I suspect she gets in her head too much at times because she set uncharacteristically bad during practice the week leading up the PSU game last season and then we all saw how she set the actual game. Was it my imagination or did anyone else notice that at least Howard took several harder swings last night? I'm not saying it panned out but she seemed to be swinging harder or maybe I was just wiling it to be so. Burgess now has three games under her belt with only 1 BA against Nebraska. The predominant question I have is, what is up with Russ Rose? Love or hate him, he strikes me as a coach that squeezes every ounce of potential from every player. Many hate him because he beats our collective teams so often but when trying to look at it more objectively, what are people's opinions on why that man wins so much? Yes, he gets great recruits but that's based on the program he built. What are the characteristics that set this man apart from most other coaches? I will reserve my observations for those of you with far more knowledge and who have watched his coaching abilities far more often. Can't answer your question since I don't think Rose is set "apart from most other coaches". I can explain why many people dislike him, and it has nothing to do with his success. That's the only reason I like him! Problem is that he is an arrogant bully. Last night he kept trying to intimidate the umpire, fortunately not succeeding. The UMPIRE??? How weak is that? Come on seriously. Always gonna be haters out there.
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Post by sportsfun on Sept 6, 2014 16:16:47 GMT -5
For you Stanford women's VB historians out there, when was the last time Stanford was known to be a strong serving team?
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Post by jcvball22 on Sept 6, 2014 16:16:59 GMT -5
Someone mentioned that Boukather looked surprised too often and I'm assuming the poster meant surprised at her own performance. She is shocking the hell out of most of us and she might be surprising herself a bit in the process. Bugg has clearly worked on her connection to the RS because it's noticeably improved so far. It was frustratingly lacking at times last season. Bugg is a perfectionist and she'll do the work to clean up the rest. I suspect she gets in her head too much at times because she set uncharacteristically bad during practice the week leading up the PSU game last season and then we all saw how she set the actual game. Was it my imagination or did anyone else notice that at least Howard took several harder swings last night? I'm not saying it panned out but she seemed to be swinging harder or maybe I was just wiling it to be so. Burgess now has three games under her belt with only 1 BA against Nebraska. The predominant question I have is, what is up with Russ Rose? Love or hate him, he strikes me as a coach that squeezes every ounce of potential from every player. Many hate him because he beats our collective teams so often but when trying to look at it more objectively, what are people's opinions on why that man wins so much? Yes, he gets great recruits but that's based on the program he built. What are the characteristics that set this man apart from most other coaches? I will reserve my observations for those of you with far more knowledge and who have watched his coaching abilities far more often. Can't answer your question since I don't think Rose is set "apart from most other coaches". I can explain why many people dislike him, and it has nothing to do with his success. That's the only reason I like him! Problem is that he is an arrogant bully. Last night he kept trying to intimidate the umpire, fortunately not succeeding. The UMPIRE??? How weak is that? Russ as an arrogant bully? Oh good grief. If you're watching much Pac12, he's significantly less of a bully than, say, Jim Moore. There are no histrionics and he isn't attempting to intimidate anyone. Russ is most definitely not a bully. He's an excellent coach. I have had the good fortune of working with both Coach Rose and Coach Dunning. As with any coaches in the collegiate game, certain athletes are drawn to them. And certain athletes aren't. Just like some athletes like Coach Cook at Nebraska, and some don't. Each coach and program has their style and draw high quality athletes that fit that style.
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Post by sportsfun on Sept 6, 2014 16:23:42 GMT -5
Someone mentioned that Boukather looked surprised too often and I'm assuming the poster meant surprised at her own performance. She is shocking the hell out of most of us and she might be surprising herself a bit in the process. Bugg has clearly worked on her connection to the RS because it's noticeably improved so far. It was frustratingly lacking at times last season. Bugg is a perfectionist and she'll do the work to clean up the rest. I suspect she gets in her head too much at times because she set uncharacteristically bad during practice the week leading up the PSU game last season and then we all saw how she set the actual game. Was it my imagination or did anyone else notice that at least Howard took several harder swings last night? I'm not saying it panned out but she seemed to be swinging harder or maybe I was just wiling it to be so. Burgess now has three games under her belt with only 1 BA against Nebraska. The predominant question I have is, what is up with Russ Rose? Love or hate him, he strikes me as a coach that squeezes every ounce of potential from every player. Many hate him because he beats our collective teams so often but when trying to look at it more objectively, what are people's opinions on why that man wins so much? Yes, he gets great recruits but that's based on the program he built. What are the characteristics that set this man apart from most other coaches? I will reserve my observations for those of you with far more knowledge and who have watched his coaching abilities far more often. Can't answer your question since I don't think Rose is set "apart from most other coaches". I can explain why many people dislike him, and it has nothing to do with his success. That's the only reason I like him! Problem is that he is an arrogant bully. Last night he kept trying to intimidate the umpire, fortunately not succeeding. The UMPIRE??? How weak is that? I was not at the game and so I only saw what the cameras showed and did not see what you are referring to. Were you at the game? What specifically are you referring to in regards to bullying the refs? Were you seeing a lot of off camera antics? Is he known for bullying his players? I'm asking because I have seen the two words you mentioned come up frequently, arrogant and bully and I'm yet to see either. Granted, I see very little of PSU and so I'm sincerely asking. I am also interested in the positives about him as a coach because when you have been at the helm that long and had that level of success it's difficult to argue that he isn't a large part of the success. So why him? What sets him a part?
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Post by Volleyballer on Sept 6, 2014 17:00:27 GMT -5
Anyone know where there is a replay of this match?
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Post by volleylearner on Sept 6, 2014 17:13:03 GMT -5
I was not at the game and so I only saw what the cameras showed and did not see what you are referring to. Were you at the game? What specifically are you referring to in regards to bullying the refs? Were you seeing a lot of off camera antics? Probably referring to the time that Rose got mad at the down ref for disallowing a sub. Rose yelled something like "well then you better pay attention buddy." Both coaches had trouble getting the down ref's attention at times, so although the wording might not have been the best the comment was certainly fair. A couple of times Rose also simply walked out on the court without signaling or saying timeout and seemed to expect the refs to infer that he wanted a timeout. Overall Rose was very low key with the refs compared to coaches like Moore or Haley.
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Post by SakiBomb25 on Sept 6, 2014 17:17:46 GMT -5
For anyone who has followed Stanford volleyball, I am not sure why you are surprised by Boukather's performance. I remember as a freshmen, she came in and lit up USC for about 12 kills and hit over .400 - it was at that point that I knew she was going to be a good player for Stanford. Her problem is that there were players like Rachel Williams ahead of her. She just needed to see some court time to realize her full potential, but we've seen what she can do against top competition.
Glad to see she is shining in her final year.
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