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Post by craftylefty on Sept 15, 2014 20:18:36 GMT -5
I am still fairly new, relative to some of you, to the game of volleyball and have a stat question that is kind of vexing to my feeble brain:
So, say that an attacker from Wisconsin (for instance) attacks the ball from the front row and attempts a kill. The ball is dug by Minnesota and passed to the Minnesota setter. The Minnesota setter then dumps the ball and gets a kill.
Is the Minnesota player who dug the Wisconsin attack credited with a dig, an assist, or both?
Thanks!
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Post by cardinalvolleyball on Sept 15, 2014 20:39:26 GMT -5
both
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Post by mikegarrison on Sept 15, 2014 20:44:25 GMT -5
NCAA stat manual is online.
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Post by joetrinsey on Sept 15, 2014 22:22:38 GMT -5
Kind of silly that the NCAA awards an assist for that.
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Post by macroman on Sept 15, 2014 23:01:50 GMT -5
Kind of silly that the NCAA awards an assist for that. Is it more silly than getting a kill for an overpass that falls in? |
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Post by joetrinsey on Sept 15, 2014 23:55:23 GMT -5
Only slightly.
The good thing about being a DataVolley scout is you don't have to use the NCAA manual for your analysis.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2014 0:23:54 GMT -5
Kind of silly that the NCAA awards an assist for that. I much prefer the international assist definitions that award a different type of assist (and assist attempt) dependent on the situation created by the setter for the attacker. Much more accurate picture of what your setter is doing/isn't doing. |
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Post by ncaavballguru on Sept 16, 2014 2:03:57 GMT -5
Only slightly. The good thing about being a DataVolley scout is you don't have to use the NCAA manual for your analysis. Yup. The NCAA totally needs to evolve to the refinement of stat-taking at the FIVB level, which includes such statistical gems like the "running set" and the "excellents" service receptions. |
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Post by volleyballd on Sept 16, 2014 7:11:33 GMT -5
I was debating with someone the other day on digs. If Wisconsin attacks, and Stanford blocks the ball, then Wisconsin's libero covers and gets that blocked ball back in play, isn't that a dig for the libero?
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Post by trojansc on Sept 16, 2014 7:16:19 GMT -5
I was debating with someone the other day on digs. If Wisconsin attacks, and Stanford blocks the ball, then Wisconsin's libero covers and gets that blocked ball back in play, isn't that a dig for the libero? No. Only an attack can be dug. Covers do not count as digs. If a blocker gets a touch on the ball and then plays the first contact, that is technically a dig. Not too common but not that rare either. |
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Post by SportyBucky on Sept 16, 2014 7:57:59 GMT -5
Kind of silly that the NCAA awards an assist for that. Not if it's intentional. In a 5-1, I ask passers who can control well to pass tight and give a third option. |
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Post by vbman100 on Sept 16, 2014 8:55:30 GMT -5
Kind of silly that the NCAA awards an assist for that. Not if it's intentional. In a 5-1, I ask passers who can control well to pass tight and give a third option. Silly  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2014 11:51:55 GMT -5
I was debating with someone the other day on digs. If Wisconsin attacks, and Stanford blocks the ball, then Wisconsin's libero covers and gets that blocked ball back in play, isn't that a dig for the libero? No. Only an attack can be dug. Covers do not count as digs. Are you sure? I'm thought it does. That's a scenario where the ball was directed toward the court by the opponent, but was saved. |
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Post by mikegarrison on Sept 16, 2014 12:22:55 GMT -5
No. Only an attack can be dug. Covers do not count as digs. Are you sure? I'm thought it does. That's a scenario where the ball was directed toward the court by the opponent, but was saved. Like I said before, the NCAA stat manual is online. If you read it, it says only an attack can be dug. In fact, it explicitly notes that a block cover is not a dig. (Since the original question was posed about NCAA teams, then I assume we are talking NCAA stat rules.) |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2014 12:55:39 GMT -5
A cover is not a dig because a block is not an attack. I know you said this, but I'm backing you up.
Now, maybe it should be. It's definitely valuable. But it's not. (And the value isn't totally lost. You just saved your team a hitting error, which would effect its hitting %.)
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