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Post by mervinswerved on Sept 27, 2022 13:46:33 GMT -5
Sounds like what you described is the best situation unless you have someone like Sunderland who is a legit analyst and now good at PxP. Personally, I like Sunderland but I know at lot of people don't care for him. I think he's excellent, especially since he got more comfortable with women's NCAA ball. Well, I try not to work with idiots. I watch matches on TV and am constantly dumbfounded by a TV crew who doesn't know what happened even though they're sitting right there. If a PxP doesn't know what the official's signals are, they aren't prepared and shouldn't be doing the match. It's like not knowing how to pronounce names- basic blocking and tackling for an announcer. If it's an esoteric call and my partner doesn't really know how to describe it, I make sure to jump in ahead of them. But I can do that because 1. I know what I'm talking about and 2. I have good relationships with the PxP I work with.
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Post by dodger on Sept 27, 2022 13:52:33 GMT -5
Sounds like what you described is the best situation unless you have someone like Sunderland who is a legit analyst and now good at PxP. Personally, I like Sunderland but I know at lot of people don't care for him. I think he's excellent, especially since he got more comfortable with women's NCAA ball. Well, I try not to work with idiots. I watch matches on TV and am constantly dumbfounded by a TV crew who doesn't know what happened even though they're sitting right there. If a PxP doesn't know what the official's signals are, they aren't prepared and shouldn't be doing the match. It's like not knowing how to pronounce names- basic blocking and tackling for an announcer. If it's an esoteric call and my partner doesn't really know how to describe it, I make sure to jump in ahead of them. But I can do that because 1. I know what I'm talking about and 2. I have good relationships with the PxP I work with. So you are saying you are color commentator for volleyball matches. Really: so guessing you were also a player or coach? So you are calling out other color and PxP and public critiquing while hiding behind your screen name. Kinda unprofessional eh!?
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Post by mervinswerved on Sept 27, 2022 13:53:57 GMT -5
So you are saying you are color commentator for volleyball matches. Really: so guessing you were also a player or coach? So you are calling out other color and PxP and public critiquing while hiding behind your screen name. Kinda unprofessional eh!? I remember my first day on volleytalk, too.
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Post by justahick on Sept 27, 2022 13:56:58 GMT -5
Sounds like what you described is the best situation unless you have someone like Sunderland who is a legit analyst and now good at PxP. Personally, I like Sunderland but I know at lot of people don't care for him. I think he's excellent, especially since he got more comfortable with women's NCAA ball. Well, I try not to work with idiots. I watch matches on TV and am constantly dumbfounded by a TV crew who doesn't know what happened even though they're sitting right there. If a PxP doesn't know what the official's signals are, they aren't prepared and shouldn't be doing the match. It's like not knowing how to pronounce names- basic blocking and tackling for an announcer. If it's an esoteric call and my partner doesn't really know how to describe it, I make sure to jump in ahead of them. But I can do that because 1. I know what I'm talking about and 2. I have good relationships with the PxP I work with. When did Sunderland learn the officials signals?
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Post by dodger on Sept 27, 2022 13:59:39 GMT -5
So you are saying you are color commentator for volleyball matches. Really: so guessing you were also a player or coach? So you are calling out other color and PxP and public critiquing while hiding behind your screen name. Kinda unprofessional eh!? I remember my first day on volleytalk, too. So its my first day: what does your comment mean? You are or arent a color commentator ?? You are or aren’t a past player or coach? How would i know? Oh because if i had been around longer past postages its obvious? So i get only sarcasm and not an answer?
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Post by dodger on Sept 27, 2022 14:00:40 GMT -5
Personally, I like Sunderland but I know at lot of people don't care for him. I think he's excellent, especially since he got more comfortable with women's NCAA ball. Well, I try not to work with idiots. I watch matches on TV and am constantly dumbfounded by a TV crew who doesn't know what happened even though they're sitting right there. If a PxP doesn't know what the official's signals are, they aren't prepared and shouldn't be doing the match. It's like not knowing how to pronounce names- basic blocking and tackling for an announcer. If it's an esoteric call and my partner doesn't really know how to describe it, I make sure to jump in ahead of them. But I can do that because 1. I know what I'm talking about and 2. I have good relationships with the PxP I work with. When did Sunderland learn the officials signals? This is sarcasm? Yes
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Post by mervinswerved on Sept 27, 2022 14:03:31 GMT -5
I remember my first day on volleytalk, too. So its my first day: what does your comment mean? You are or arent a color commentator ?? You are or aren’t a past player or coach? How would i know? Oh because if i had been around longer past postages its obvious? So i get only sarcasm and not an answer? Yes I do color, yes I am a former coach, no it is not my day job, yes you're going to get sarcasm if you come wading in here to call me unprofessional.
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Post by slxpress on Sept 27, 2022 14:19:27 GMT -5
It would be great if broadcasters had access to rotation-by-rotation statistics (or anything more than the box score) but most people don't have that. I keep track of lineups and serve receive playsets during the match and compare them to my scout. I'm happy to talk about which rotation a receiving team is in and where they've struggled or had success that night, but I'm not doing it off of specific numbers- no time to do that by hand in real time. One of the things I try and do is when teams are coming out of timeout to talk a little about who is where in the front row, the likely playset the receiving team is going to run, and if there's a matchup they might try and exploit. I don't see many analysts doing that on the matches I watch. I will say Ehman is pretty solid and getting better. I love her energy and she's good at putting the match and the players in a broader national context. I should have made it clearer I'm not blaming the announcers for lack of access to that information any more than I am VT posters. Or me, for that matter. But it does drive me nuts that so much of the focus ends up being on service errors. Every broadcast. There's an Alex Trebek disappointed tone from the play by play person when the ball goes long or in the net, like the splash in Olympic diving or the "sticking the dismount" in gymnastics. It's an error obvious to the layperson. It's right there in the box score. It's such low hanging fruit. Of course service errors are important. It would bug me less if every now and then they'd point out first ball side outs, where the serving team had virtually no chance to create a rally because the serve was ineffective, either because of a great play by the serve receiver to make a spectacular dig/pass, or because it was a lollipop serve to begin with. There's another side to the equation that's only addressed in passing, if at all. It's NEVER pointed out in real time. Just a little, "Bob/Nancy, there's an example of the other side of the equation of service errors. If the serve is too easily handled, it results in a quick side out all the same. The trick for all teams is to find that right balance between putting pressure with the serve, while keeping it in the court." Saying it in general terms, but not pointing out specifics, is not effective. Specifically when it's being emphasized on some level EVERY TIME there's a service error. I've seen players go on a 2 or 3 point run from the service line, only to have the play by play person whine about how they destroyed the momentum with a service error. WTF, over? If we had public access to the points scored on each player's rotation, it would make for an amazingly more compelling narrative. "Nancy, if StateU can get these next two sideouts, they have Sasha Servernova coming up. Her rotation is responsible for 40% of her team's service points this year. It will give StateU their best chance of getting back into this set if she can go on a run." Or, "Bob, this is a critical juncture for U-Elite. With the score 20-19 they really need a sideout here, but Berma Bombster is at the service line. V-College has scored 33% of their service points on her rotation. U-Elite can ill afford to give up a big run here." But as you pointed out, that's not available, and it's a shame. I know that's available in certain forms on volleymetrics, because I've seen @bwf3 post about it when referring to specific players. Basically referring to how often the team scores with specific players at the service line. What would be ideal is if we had each server rated by the average passing rating they create on their serve, rather than ace/error ratios. But that's something beyond what an average scorekeeper can do during a match. But marking down how many points each serve rotation scores and then including it in the box score would not be difficult at all. There's nothing subjective about it. It's simple arithmetic. I've seen extended box scores include how many "SA" or service attacks each player had. But it's not universal, and they're not that easy to find. It drives me a bit batty, tbh.
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Post by dodger on Sept 27, 2022 14:39:49 GMT -5
So its my first day: what does your comment mean? You are or arent a color commentator ?? You are or aren’t a past player or coach? How would i know? Oh because if i had been around longer past postages its obvious? So i get only sarcasm and not an answer? Yes I do color, yes I am a former coach, no it is not my day job, yes you're going to get sarcasm if you come wading in here to call me unprofessional. Professionalism is commonly understood as an individual's adherence to a set of standards, code of conduct or collection of qualities that characterize accepted practice within a ... Usually people in profession so not publicly ridicule or criticize others in same profession: its usually sone pro to pro. You have certainly been here longer than me: were you a div 1 coach? Did you play too? Collegiately or professionally? cant really tell from your comments.
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Post by mervinswerved on Sept 27, 2022 14:50:32 GMT -5
Usually people in profession so not publicly ridicule or criticize others in same profession: its usually sone pro to pro. Feel free to point out the person or persons I ridiculed.
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Post by Mark Richards on Sept 27, 2022 15:11:33 GMT -5
I love any announcer who brings up Formico and who she is related too.
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