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Post by itsallrelative on Dec 18, 2014 14:48:21 GMT -5
Alot of work to do there. It looks like they have 5 kids on their roster, and one signee... So 6??? Can this be right?? They had 10 last fall, 4 were seniors. So 6 should move forward but only 5 showing on website. You can click roster on right drop box. If fully funded, a coach can come in and recruit who they want and have plenty of wiggle room depending on the level of funding and how it is currently spread out......
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Post by colonel84 on Dec 18, 2014 16:28:53 GMT -5
Western Illinois actually started with 12. Looks like a junior (Novak) dropped off during the season and another junior (Jackson) left after the season was over. Also, looks like the freshman setter (Joyce) played very little and is not on the roster now either.
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Post by spikeninja on Dec 18, 2014 17:28:47 GMT -5
April Hall is very smart, one of the smarter people I know. Even though her resume was somewhat short, she has it all pretty together. She was in the midst of changing culture and revamping the training at WIU. She has very definite ideas about what needed to be done and she was executing on her plan. This is Western Illinois, a school with very little tradition in volleyball. Volleyballt is obviously not a priority with the school, so what better place for a young coach to start than in the hinterlands, in order to hone her skills for the next level. By the way, have you ever been in Macomb Illinois? Not only is it nothing to write home about, you don't want it to be known that you were in the proximity. A note about experience, does 20 years of experience mean 20 years of learning, renewal, and critical thought or is it just one year of experience 20 times over? Just lost most of the respect that I had for our man Phaedrus. Western Illinois was going nowhere. I agree with this Phaed....normally we see eye to eye. But I don't care how smart someone is, experience matters. Smart is only an indication of potential, like we always discuss here, talent is overrated. I don't know her, I know nothing about the situation. But I recall the hire when it happened and said this job would be open again in 3 years. Well it was less. Because it's the classic situation of elevating someone too fast too soon without enough tools (e.g. experience) to be successful. And it's an unfair practice happening with female coaches all the time. That is why there is such a struggle to get the good ones, because they don't struggle enough and they aren't required to acquire the experience and mentorship that the male coaches are being forced to do. It's undermining exactly what all these PC administrations are seeking. When I was younger, and by the way I was VERY smart and talented, I thought my intelligence and knowledge was enough. Years later, I realize experience and self actualization matters. I am at over 20 years now, and I can tell you without hesitation that while I believe the game is still basically the game, I am much much better able to handle a variety of situations because of my experience. I know when my compass is right, I know when to seek advice and who to seek it from when I am unsure my compass is right. I now know what I don't know. How does anyone under 30 possess the level of enlightenment to handle the WIU situation. That's not an easy job from the looks of it. So they give it to someone that clearly wasn't ready, for whatever agenda they were trying to fulfill. And this is what happens. I often hear about NFL QB's who have to inherit a starting position too soon, and never fully developing. I equate that to situations like this. She might be smart, might have a good blueprint, but the experience on how to execute it, that's where getting that veteran coach would be a better fit. just my 2 cents
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Post by vballguy2001 on Dec 18, 2014 17:53:19 GMT -5
Just lost most of the respect that I had for our man Phaedrus. Western Illinois was going nowhere. I agree with this Phaed....normally we see eye to eye. But I don't care how smart someone is, experience matters. Smart is only an indication of potential, like we always discuss here, talent is overrated. I don't know her, I know nothing about the situation. But I recall the hire when it happened and said this job would be open again in 3 years. Well it was less. Because it's the classic situation of elevating someone too fast too soon without enough tools (e.g. experience) to be successful. And it's an unfair practice happening with female coaches all the time. That is why there is such a struggle to get the good ones, because they don't struggle enough and they aren't required to acquire the experience and mentorship that the male coaches are being forced to do. It's undermining exactly what all these PC administrations are seeking. When I was younger, and by the way I was VERY smart and talented, I thought my intelligence and knowledge was enough. Years later, I realize experience and self actualization matters. I am at over 20 years now, and I can tell you without hesitation that while I believe the game is still basically the game, I am much much better able to handle a variety of situations because of my experience. I know when my compass is right, I know when to seek advice and who to seek it from when I am unsure my compass is right. I now know what I don't know. How does anyone under 30 possess the level of enlightenment to handle the WIU situation. That's not an easy job from the looks of it. So they give it to someone that clearly wasn't ready, for whatever agenda they were trying to fulfill. And this is what happens. I often hear about NFL QB's who have to inherit a starting position too soon, and never fully developing. I equate that to situations like this. She might be smart, might have a good blueprint, but the experience on how to execute it, that's where getting that veteran coach would be a better fit. just my 2 cents Very well said, but it was more like 10 cents.
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Post by Phaedrus on Dec 18, 2014 18:11:30 GMT -5
So the gist of the arguments is that she was too young, she was not experienced, she was not prepared. Does that fault lie with her? Was she supposed to turn down the job when offered because: "I'm sorry, I'm too young?" No you take the job as it is offered and you do the best you can, learning as you go along. Improvise, adapt, and overcome. You take your shot and deal with the consequences, which she is doing.
The tone of the initial comment was a direct attack on her personally, where the blame lie may be with the WIU administration. I think we have a tendency to blame the victim rather than the true responsible decision maker. I Don't think we should pile up on her just because WIU didn't make, according to some, " The right decision". Omniscient Greek choruses are as useful as they are loud.
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Post by spikeninja on Dec 18, 2014 22:06:08 GMT -5
So the gist of the arguments is that she was too young, she was not experienced, she was not prepared. Does that fault lie with her? Was she supposed to turn down the job when offered because: "I'm sorry, I'm too young?" No you take the job as it is offered and you do the best you can, learning as you go along. Improvise, adapt, and overcome. You take your shot and deal with the consequences, which she is doing. The tone of the initial comment was a direct attack on her personally, where the blame lie may be with the WIU administration. I think we have a tendency to blame the victim rather than the true responsible decision maker. I Don't think we should pile up on her just because WIU didn't make, according to some, " The right decision". Omniscient Greek choruses are as useful as they are loud. no argument there. WIU is mostly to blame. But as one high profile head coach told me that you need to take caution in what jobs you choose. I've taken jobs that were low or zero success rate becasue of my economics and finances. I don't have the luxury of choosing and maybe she didn't either. I do blame WIU for making this choice. And they blame her by letting her go because they didn't do their homework and learn how to hire for volleyball. Or fund her to succeed. They get what they deserve...but she took a a job she wasn't ready for. She applied for it. She has to live and learn from that choice. Most of this generation thinks they deserve the top spot out of the gate. We are finding they don't do well when they get it. Blame it on the youth or those hiring the youth because they don't want to pay for experience. Lots of wrongs going on.
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Post by vballgrl on Dec 18, 2014 22:32:37 GMT -5
So the gist of the arguments is that she was too young, she was not experienced, she was not prepared. Does that fault lie with her? Was she supposed to turn down the job when offered because: "I'm sorry, I'm too young?" No you take the job as it is offered and you do the best you can, learning as you go along. Improvise, adapt, and overcome. You take your shot and deal with the consequences, which she is doing. The tone of the initial comment was a direct attack on her personally, where the blame lie may be with the WIU administration. I think we have a tendency to blame the victim rather than the true responsible decision maker. I Don't think we should pile up on her just because WIU didn't make, according to some, " The right decision". Omniscient Greek choruses are as useful as they are loud. no argument there. WIU is mostly to blame. But as one high profile head coach told me that you need to take caution in what jobs you choose. I've taken jobs that were low or zero success rate becasue of my economics and finances. I don't have the luxury of choosing and maybe she didn't either. I do blame WIU for making this choice. And they blame her by letting her go because they didn't do their homework and learn how to hire for volleyball. Or fund her to succeed. They get what they deserve...but she took a a job she wasn't ready for. She applied for it. She has to live and learn from that choice. Most of this generation thinks they deserve the top spot out of the gate. We are finding they don't do well when they get it. Blame it on the youth or those hiring the youth because they don't want to pay for experience. Lots of wrongs going on. Well said
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Post by spikeninja on Dec 19, 2014 0:18:08 GMT -5
Thanks vb girl and vball guy. Are you two an item?? Lol
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Post by vbnerd on Dec 19, 2014 11:37:53 GMT -5
Most of this generation thinks they deserve the top spot out of the gate. We are finding they don't do well when they get it. Blame it on the youth or those hiring the youth because they don't want to pay for experience. Lots of wrongs going on. The thing to remember is that about 50% of the jobs out there are below average opportunities.
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Post by itsallrelative on Dec 19, 2014 11:56:58 GMT -5
Most of this generation thinks they deserve the top spot out of the gate. We are finding they don't do well when they get it. Blame it on the youth or those hiring the youth because they don't want to pay for experience. Lots of wrongs going on. The thing to remember is that about 50% of the jobs out there are below average opportunities. so are 50% of the hires....
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Post by dorothymantooth on Dec 19, 2014 12:26:29 GMT -5
Most of this generation thinks they deserve the top spot out of the gate. We are finding they don't do well when they get it. Blame it on the youth or those hiring the youth because they don't want to pay for experience. Lots of wrongs going on. The thing to remember is that about 50% of the jobs out there are below average opportunities. For who? Those younger coaches looking to become head coaches and build a resume, they are good opportunities. What would you have considered Robert Morris, who had 4 scholarships, played in a HS gym, and paid about 35k, with 4k for an assistant? I would call it a great opportunity for a HS coach from Maryland to start a great career. Tim Horsmon.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2014 13:40:30 GMT -5
Jobs are what you make out of them. I'm with Dottie on this one.
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Post by ja on Dec 19, 2014 13:54:14 GMT -5
The thing to remember is that about 50% of the jobs out there are below average opportunities. For who? Those younger coaches looking to become head coaches and build a resume, they are good opportunities. What would you have considered Robert Morris, who had 4 scholarships, played in a HS gym, and paid about 35k, with 4k for an assistant? I would call it a great opportunity for a HS coach from Maryland to start a great career. Tim Horsmon. You can mention another not so experience coach, who got hired at 26 (if my memory serves me correctly) who entire volleyball word knows now as Russ Rose. He actually had few years of head coaching experience prior to that appointment. But reality is much more of a failure then success. The success of those great few unfortunately is abnormality and only proof that we have few bright individuals, who are ready to succeed regardless of any obstacles. Still, the rate of failure of young female coaches is something to consider about before a) applying for the job b) hiring that person. I don't think you should not to try to grow and not to try to get a head coach job, but I believe that not every single coach have to be a Head Coach at some point of her/his career either. How many times you saw great AC not getting it done as a HC? Maybe it's just that some coaches better suited to be an assistants? I would say that current hiring trend is not doing any good to college volleyball and those coaches. I believe that loyalty should be rewarded and coaches, who spends 15, 20, 25 years of their life in gym and on recruiting trails should have better chances of getting Head Coaching jobs then bright, but unproven young ladies. You have to earn your stripes!
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Post by itsallrelative on Dec 19, 2014 14:04:30 GMT -5
For who? Those younger coaches looking to become head coaches and build a resume, they are good opportunities. What would you have considered Robert Morris, who had 4 scholarships, played in a HS gym, and paid about 35k, with 4k for an assistant? I would call it a great opportunity for a HS coach from Maryland to start a great career. Tim Horsmon. You can mention another not so experience coach, who got hired at 26 (if my memory serves me correctly) who entire volleyball word knows now as Russ Rose. He actually had few years of head coaching experience prior to that appointment. But reality is much more of a failure then success. The success of those great few unfortunately is abnormality and only proof that we have few bright individuals, who are ready to succeed regardless of any obstacles. Still, the rate of failure of young female coaches is something to consider about before a) applying for the job b) hiring that person. I don't think you should not to try to grow and not to try to get a head coach job, but I believe that not every single coach have to be a Head Coach at some point of her/his career either. How many times you saw great AC not getting it done as a HC? Maybe it's just that some coaches better suited to be an assistants? I would say that current hiring trend is not doing any good to college volleyball and those coaches. I believe that loyalty should be rewarded and coaches, who spends 15, 20, 25 years of their life in gym and on recruiting trails should have better chances of getting Head Coaching jobs then bright, but unproven young ladies. You have to earn your stripes! ' very different world than when RR was hired.
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Post by houstonvball on Dec 19, 2014 14:53:18 GMT -5
Curious if anyone knows the top 3 highest paid volleyball coaches and salaries? Hearing the TCU rumor about $250,000 has peaked my interest.
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