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Post by play2win on Dec 20, 2014 13:31:22 GMT -5
I'd hope she would be a little wary that some Nebraska students seem to be unable to spell "final four." I'd hope she would be wary of committing to a program that seems to have trouble spelling "diversity". And before anyone decides to pounce -- Yes, I am a Black woman. And yes, I have a lot of experience being the only Black girl, teenager, or woman in a given situation. I am not judging the values or personalities of the coach, the team, the fans, or the university. And I have zero knowledge of who the future Huskers will be. I just know what I've seen over the many years of watching NCAA women's volleyball. The Huskers are without a doubt one of the most homogeneous teams among top programs. homogeneous [hoh-muh-jee-nee-uh s, -jeen-yuh s, hom-uh-] adjective 1. composed of parts or elements that are allof the same kind; not heterogeneous: a homogeneous population. 2. of the same kind or nature; essentially alike. As the mom of a retired player who also transferred after two years (and found a perfect fit for her), I would guess this young lady's mother's main concern is that her daughter be as happy and comfortable in her new situation as possible. Again, I AM NOT JUDGING this program. I am stating the obvious, which can sometimes be not-so-obvious to those who may likely never face this type of concern. I wish all the best to this fabulously gifted athlete.
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Post by jasonr on Dec 20, 2014 14:33:41 GMT -5
I'd hope she would be a little wary that some Nebraska students seem to be unable to spell "final four." I'd hope she would be wary of committing to a program that seems to have trouble spelling "diversity". And before anyone decides to pounce -- Yes, I am a Black woman. And yes, I have a lot of experience being the only Black girl, teenager, or woman in a given situation. I am not judging the values or personalities of the coach, the team, the fans, or the university. And I have zero knowledge of who the future Huskers will be. I just know what I've seen over the many years of watching NCAA women's volleyball. The Huskers are without a doubt one of the most homogeneous teams among top programs. homogeneous [hoh-muh-jee-nee-uh s, -jeen-yuh s, hom-uh-] adjective 1. composed of parts or elements that are allof the same kind; not heterogeneous: a homogeneous population. 2. of the same kind or nature; essentially alike. As the mom of a retired player who also transferred after two years (and found a perfect fit for her), I would guess this young lady's mother's main concern is that her daughter be as happy and comfortable in her new situation as possible. Again, I AM NOT JUDGING this program. I am stating the obvious, which can sometimes be not-so-obvious to those who may likely never face this type of concern. I wish all the best to this fabulously gifted athlete. You seem to confusing an effort to recruit ethnic minority athletes with those athletes actually choosing to play for the team. What's the skin color of Tiani Reeves and Chesney McClellan? Both committed to Nebraska in the last year. Is Cook not recruiting Brie Orr right now? Didn't he recruit players like Kahlia Lanier and Haley Eckermann? The list goes on. Were Cepero and Saleamua Caucasian? Get over it. The ethnic/racial representation of the team is comparable to the state and the region. It's less diverse across the board. It has nothing to do with Nebraska. If Nebraska has a problem with minorities they wouldn't recruit those student-athletes in the first place. Players like Reeves, McClellan, and possibly Holman can change that misguided perception. As a black woman, you should want her to go to Nebraska and show that this fake issue is exactly that...fake.
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Post by play2win on Dec 20, 2014 17:08:36 GMT -5
I'd hope she would be wary of committing to a program that seems to have trouble spelling "diversity". And before anyone decides to pounce -- Yes, I am a Black woman. And yes, I have a lot of experience being the only Black girl, teenager, or woman in a given situation. I am not judging the values or personalities of the coach, the team, the fans, or the university. And I have zero knowledge of who the future Huskers will be. I just know what I've seen over the many years of watching NCAA women's volleyball. The Huskers are without a doubt one of the most homogeneous teams among top programs. homogeneous [hoh-muh-jee-nee-uh s, -jeen-yuh s, hom-uh-] adjective 1. composed of parts or elements that are allof the same kind; not heterogeneous: a homogeneous population. 2. of the same kind or nature; essentially alike. As the mom of a retired player who also transferred after two years (and found a perfect fit for her), I would guess this young lady's mother's main concern is that her daughter be as happy and comfortable in her new situation as possible. Again, I AM NOT JUDGING this program. I am stating the obvious, which can sometimes be not-so-obvious to those who may likely never face this type of concern. I wish all the best to this fabulously gifted athlete. You seem to confusing an effort to recruit ethnic minority athletes with those athletes actually choosing to play for the team. What's the skin color of Tiani Reeves and Chesney McClellan? Both committed to Nebraska in the last year. Is Cook not recruiting Brie Orr right now? Didn't he recruit players like Kahlia Lanier and Haley Eckermann? The list goes on. Were Cepero and Saleamua Caucasian? Get over it. The ethnic/racial representation of the team is comparable to the state and the region. It's less diverse across the board. It has nothing to do with Nebraska. If Nebraska has a problem with minorities they wouldn't recruit those student-athletes in the first place. Players like Reeves, McClellan, and possibly Holman can change that misguided perception. As a black woman, you should want her to go to Nebraska and show that this fake issue is exactly that...fake. Didn't my post specifically say that I have no knowledge of incoming Huskers? I believe I was very clear in my statement. 1) Don't tell someone you don't know how they SHOULD feel or think, or what they should get over. 2) ATTEMPTING to recruit diversity is not the same thing as SIGNING diversity. There are many top Div I vball programs with much more diversity than Nebraska, so obviously they're missing something in their recruiting process because they have not had much success in this area. 3) I was also very clear in stating that I was not judging, but you chose to judge me by accusing me of discussing a "fake" situation which is actually very REAL. The fact that you have never faced such a situation does not make it fake. Obviously it's Nebraska and if their athletes and student body reflect the region, then great for them. If Briana Holman or any other athlete of color ends up at Nebraska and is happy there, that's great. Being miserable in any situation is awful, especially during college years, which is why choosing a transfer program is so important. I'm sure she and her support system will consider all the facts before making a decision. These are MY observations and MY opinion, and I'm welcome to both, just like everyone else on this board. It's a shame how those with the biggest opinions are often those with the least tolerance of the opinions of others.
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Post by mnsports255 on Dec 20, 2014 17:17:38 GMT -5
You seem to confusing an effort to recruit ethnic minority athletes with those athletes actually choosing to play for the team. What's the skin color of Tiani Reeves and Chesney McClellan? Both committed to Nebraska in the last year. Is Cook not recruiting Brie Orr right now? Didn't he recruit players like Kahlia Lanier and Haley Eckermann? The list goes on. Were Cepero and Saleamua Caucasian? Get over it. The ethnic/racial representation of the team is comparable to the state and the region. It's less diverse across the board. It has nothing to do with Nebraska. If Nebraska has a problem with minorities they wouldn't recruit those student-athletes in the first place. Players like Reeves, McClellan, and possibly Holman can change that misguided perception. As a black woman, you should want her to go to Nebraska and show that this fake issue is exactly that...fake. Didn't my post specifically say that I have no knowledge of incoming Huskers? I believe I was very clear in my statement. 1) Don't tell someone you don't know how they SHOULD feel or think, or what they should get over. 2) ATTEMPTING to recruit diversity is not the same thing as SIGNING diversity. There are many top Div I vball programs with much more diversity than Nebraska, so obviously they're missing something in their recruiting process because they have not had much success in this area. 3) I was also very clear in stating that I was not judging, but you chose to judge me by accusing me of discussing a "fake" situation which is actually very REAL. The fact that you have never faced such a situation does not make it fake. Obviously it's Nebraska and if their athletes and student body reflect the region, then great for them. If Briana Holman or any other athlete of color ends up at Nebraska and is happy there, that's great. Being miserable in any situation is awful, especially during college years, which is why choosing a transfer program is so important. I'm sure she and her support system will consider all the facts before making a decision. These are MY observations and MY opinion, and I'm welcome to both, just like everyone else on this board. It's a shame how those with the biggest opinions are often those with the least tolerance of the opinions of others. Sometimes these recruits just don't happen to end up signing or are recruited because they just don't fit the system. Minnesota for instance, hasn't had a black player since 2009 in Jasmine Dittrich. We have two coming in who will be on the roster next year though. Not so much race as just coincidence in our case. Nebraska seems to have no prejudice either even though they are a historically very white team, based in who they are recruiting. Whether Holman would be comfortable or not is a different story. Would I be comfortable playing for a college team where basically everybody's was a race different than mine? Probably not, and I'd wonder of my ability to fit in, but that's just me personally! I do think Holman could really love playing in Nebraska if that's where she chooses to go.
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Post by jasonr on Dec 20, 2014 17:26:39 GMT -5
You seem to confusing an effort to recruit ethnic minority athletes with those athletes actually choosing to play for the team. What's the skin color of Tiani Reeves and Chesney McClellan? Both committed to Nebraska in the last year. Is Cook not recruiting Brie Orr right now? Didn't he recruit players like Kahlia Lanier and Haley Eckermann? The list goes on. Were Cepero and Saleamua Caucasian? Get over it. The ethnic/racial representation of the team is comparable to the state and the region. It's less diverse across the board. It has nothing to do with Nebraska. If Nebraska has a problem with minorities they wouldn't recruit those student-athletes in the first place. Players like Reeves, McClellan, and possibly Holman can change that misguided perception. As a black woman, you should want her to go to Nebraska and show that this fake issue is exactly that...fake. Didn't my post specifically say that I have no knowledge of incoming Huskers? I believe I was very clear in my statement. 1) Don't tell someone you don't know how they SHOULD feel or think, or what they should get over. 2) ATTEMPTING to recruit diversity is not the same thing as SIGNING diversity. There are many top Div I vball programs with much more diversity than Nebraska, so obviously they're missing something in their recruiting process because they have not had much success in this area. 3) I was also very clear in stating that I was not judging, but you chose to judge me by accusing me of discussing a "fake" situation which is actually very REAL. The fact that you have never faced such a situation does not make it fake. Obviously it's Nebraska and if their athletes and student body reflect the region, then great for them. If Briana Holman or any other athlete of color ends up at Nebraska and is happy there, that's great. Being miserable in any situation is awful, especially during college years, which is why choosing a transfer program is so important. I'm sure she and her support system will consider all the facts before making a decision. These are MY observations and MY opinion, and I'm welcome to both, just like everyone else on this board. It's a shame how those with the biggest opinions are often those with the least tolerance of the opinions of others. Don't get upset if you were too lazy to look into both Nebraska's current commits and their roster history. If you had, you wouldn't have had to feel the need to make sure off-base comments. Attempting to recruit diversity is the point, not the signing. It's not like Cook and company can force them to play for Nebraska. The fact that Cook wants these athletes and puts in the effort to get them says everything that needs to be said on the issue. If their culture was unwelcoming to minorities, then they wouldn't have had any on previous rosters nor would they regularly recruit these players every year. You're entitled to your opinion, it just happens that your opinion on this issue is uninformed and asinine.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2014 17:28:35 GMT -5
I'd hope she would be a little wary that some Nebraska students seem to be unable to spell "final four." I'd hope she would be wary of committing to a program that seems to have trouble spelling "diversity". And before anyone decides to pounce -- Yes, I am a Black woman. And yes, I have a lot of experience being the only Black girl, teenager, or woman in a given situation. I am not judging the values or personalities of the coach, the team, the fans, or the university. And I have zero knowledge of who the future Huskers will be. I just know what I've seen over the many years of watching NCAA women's volleyball. The Huskers are without a doubt one of the most homogeneous teams among top programs. homogeneous [hoh-muh-jee-nee-uh s, -jeen-yuh s, hom-uh-] adjective 1. composed of parts or elements that are allof the same kind; not heterogeneous: a homogeneous population. 2. of the same kind or nature; essentially alike. As the mom of a retired player who also transferred after two years (and found a perfect fit for her), I would guess this young lady's mother's main concern is that her daughter be as happy and comfortable in her new situation as possible. Again, I AM NOT JUDGING this program. I am stating the obvious, which can sometimes be not-so-obvious to those who may likely never face this type of concern. I wish all the best to this fabulously gifted athlete. Silly me for thinking the race card was only used on the political boards.
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Post by play2win on Dec 20, 2014 17:49:10 GMT -5
[/quote] Sometimes these recruits just don't happen to end up signing or are recruited because they just don't fit the system. Minnesota for instance, hasn't had a black player since 2009 in Jasmine Dittrich. We have two coming in who will be on the roster next year though. Not so much race as just coincidence in our case. Nebraska seems to have no prejudice either even though they are a historically very white team, based in who they are recruiting. Whether Holman would be comfortable or not is a different story. Would I be comfortable playing for a college team where basically everybody's was a race different than mine? Probably not, and I'd wonder of my ability to fit in, but that's just me personally! I do think Holman could really love playing in Nebraska if that's where she chooses to go.[/quote] This is all I'm saying. To each his or her own. Thank you for sharing your opinion while also being respectful. And now I'll say it for the 3rd time - if Briana Holman and her family decide that Nebraska is the place for her, and she's happy there, then that's great for her. But only she can decide where she'll happy. For the record, diversity does not mean Black/White. It means diverse in race, color, beliefs, geographical origins, and much more. Only a narrow-minded person would accuse someone they don't know of being lazy or playing a race card. At no point did I play a "race" card or profess to know anything about Nebraska's current recruits. I am neither a Nebraska fan nor a Nebraska non-fan, so I have no reason or desire to research their recruits. I am a fan of the sport, and love to see athletes succeed when they work hard. But I guess that where some of us are different. Many of us enjoy watching the sport and cheering for whichever team or player we've decided to follow. Others of us spend far too much time at a keyboard being hateful toward others and hiding behind nameless, faceless screen names. But isn't that what makes the world go 'round? Diversity! You all be Blessed!!
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Post by hochee on Dec 20, 2014 18:34:26 GMT -5
Sometimes these recruits just don't happen to end up signing or are recruited because they just don't fit the system. Minnesota for instance, hasn't had a black player since 2009 in Jasmine Dittrich. We have two coming in who will be on the roster next year though. Not so much race as just coincidence in our case. Nebraska seems to have no prejudice either even though they are a historically very white team, based in who they are recruiting. Whether Holman would be comfortable or not is a different story. Would I be comfortable playing for a college team where basically everybody's was a race different than mine? Probably not, and I'd wonder of my ability to fit in, but that's just me personally! I do think Holman could really love playing in Nebraska if that's where she chooses to go.[/quote] This is all I'm saying. To each his or her own. Thank you for sharing your opinion while also being respectful. And now I'll say it for the 3rd time - if Briana Holman and her family decide that Nebraska is the place for her, and she's happy there, then that's great for her. But only she can decide where she'll happy. For the record, diversity does not mean Black/White. It means diverse in race, color, beliefs, geographical origins, and much more. Only a narrow-minded person would accuse someone they don't know of being lazy or playing a race card. At no point did I play a "race" card or profess to know anything about Nebraska's current recruits. I am neither a Nebraska fan nor a Nebraska non-fan, so I have no reason or desire to research their recruits. I am a fan of the sport, and love to see athletes succeed when they work hard. But I guess that where some of us are different. Many of us enjoy watching the sport and cheering for whichever team or player we've decided to follow. Others of us spend far too much time at a keyboard being hateful toward others and hiding behind nameless, faceless screen names. But isn't that what makes the world go 'round? Diversity! You all be Blessed!! [/quote] Your opinion is obviously welcome and a mother's concern is always legit!! Good news is University of Nebraska athletics leads the state in stemming the potential for bias that might otherwise come from such a homogenous demographic. The volleyball team is mostly white now and may always be, but it's had black athletes before and it will again soon. It now has a girl of Asian descent and girls who came directly from Germany and Sweden. The biggest challenge for athletes at Nebraska, especially in football and volleyball, is adjusting to the overwhelming adoration in and out of the arena that comes with decades-long sellout streaks. Did you know that 90,000 people typically attend football games and most of the players are black? Also, lots of inter-racial relationships and families have emerged as a result of black athletes attending the University. Imagine the consternation among the populace when this started happening decades ago!! Turns out, there wasn't much and we're long past all that. Fortunately, for those familiar with Nebraska athletics, associating the term "wary" with regard to its racial/diversity/ethnic situation sounds quaint.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2014 18:44:11 GMT -5
I think this is a legitimate topic and I also believe some of the responses to play2win's original post are ignoring what she specifically states.
That said, I do think a separate thread would be a better place for this discussion. I don't think it belongs in a different forum, just a different thread.
This is always going to be a tricky subject. Terms like "race card" will not help people discuss it, imo.
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Post by austintatious on Dec 20, 2014 22:11:23 GMT -5
I'd hope she would be a little wary that some Nebraska students seem to be unable to spell "final four." Instead of Nebraska she should be made to go to Tennessee "as the player to be named later."
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Post by 815volley on Dec 20, 2014 22:43:25 GMT -5
Small D1 in southeast looking for transfer middle. Have scholarship for spring or fall. PM me for details. Thanks!
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Post by southie on Dec 21, 2014 0:05:34 GMT -5
My guess is Texas and that is crap because they missed/didn't set up their recruiting right when she was coming out. Texas robbing other programs is getting old and someone needs to grow a pair and call them out! You mad?
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Post by blindpirate on Dec 21, 2014 1:16:21 GMT -5
My guess is Texas and that is crap because they missed/didn't set up their recruiting right when she was coming out. Texas robbing other programs is getting old and someone needs to grow a pair and call them out! You mad? Ya I'm mad. For the parody of the sport i am. And for the sake of following rules and dealing with the mistakes we all make in recruiting. They missed on her and Chi, but got in the ears of their clubs and got at least one of them back. Let alone what that does to the programs that they are leaving. (See: Cal 2014, LSU 2015) but Elliott will do what he does. Someone will get him, but it is fun to watch him fail at the final four. (Granted it is the final four)
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Post by southie on Dec 21, 2014 1:27:55 GMT -5
Ya I'm mad. For the parody of the sport i am. And for the sake of following rules and dealing with the mistakes we all make in recruiting. They missed on her and Chi, but got in the ears of their clubs and got at least one of them back. Let alone what that does to the programs that they are leaving. (See: Cal 2014, LSU 2015) but Elliott will do what he does. Someone will get him, but it is fun to watch him fail at the final four. (Granted it is the final four) Yeah, I could tell you were mad. You're gonna be even more mad soon enough.
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Post by spikerthemovie on Dec 21, 2014 1:31:30 GMT -5
Ya I'm mad. For the parody of the sport i am. And for the sake of following rules and dealing with the mistakes we all make in recruiting. They missed on her and Chi, but got in the ears of their clubs and got at least one of them back. Let alone what that does to the programs that they are leaving. (See: Cal 2014, LSU 2015) but Elliott will do what he does. Someone will get him, but it is fun to watch him fail at the final four. (Granted it is the final four) Someone is parodying volleyball? I'd love to see that, especially if it's Stephen Colbert.
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