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Post by Pirate VB Fan on Nov 28, 2014 16:23:36 GMT -5
Thankfully I can't remember which P12 Network announcer it is (not the ones from last night), but if I hear once more of an "over dig" they will be very glad they are in the studio 800 miles away from me - they might not hear my reaction in that case. I call it that too. What else are you going to call it when it happens on an attack rather than a serve? It's an overpass. Doesn't make any difference if it is dig or a pass, it is still an overpass. I have been around volleyball for 42 years - player, coach, parent, ref, spectator - and I had never heard anything else for this action until this year in the P12N broadcasts.
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Post by Mocha on Nov 28, 2014 20:43:15 GMT -5
I'm almost positive the botched call in the fourth set by the up ref was a mistaken backrow attack on Scambray, that's what she signaled and it came well after the "set" by Strickland. When she summoned the down ref to talk it over I could see her face turning red because of how embarrassed she felt.
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Post by mikegarrison on Nov 28, 2014 21:01:09 GMT -5
I'm almost positive the botched call in the fourth set by the up ref was a mistaken backrow attack on Scambray, that's what she signaled and it came well after the "set" by Strickland. When she summoned the down ref to talk it over I could see her face turning red because of how embarrassed she felt. :D I thought so too. She called Scambray for the backrow attack even though she was front row.
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Post by Boof1224 on Nov 28, 2014 21:35:55 GMT -5
Wouldn't get ahead of yourself just yet still game left. If psu wins and Wisconsin loses it a co conference champion and having psu sweeping badgers earlier this year in Wisconsin psu would get one seed Not unless the committee suddenly decides to ignore RPI. Right now they would have a #3 seed (as in 9th to 12th) based on RPI. It would probably be impossible for them to get up anywhere near the top 4 in RPI at this point. [b No way a big team doesn't get top 4 seed
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Post by naujack26 on Nov 28, 2014 21:52:39 GMT -5
My somewhat shaky recall (I haven't gone back and checked the recording) is that most of the serves Gilbert had trouble with were fading away and diving to her right. That's a harder pass to the setter than one to the passer's left, it seems to me, especially if you want to set the middle. I was fully expecting UW to target Howard, which is what they did last year in Seattle, I believe, and maybe that was what Stanford was expecting. Instead, UW did the unexpected, going right after Gilbert from the very first serve. I've seen Gilbert have serve receive issues all season. I mean, she wasn't shanking serves left to right in those matches but I've seen her actually get hit in the face with a serve because she didn't react and back up faster. UW targeted the libero and it worked to get them out of system most times. Strickland definitely outplayed Gilbert that night by a huge margin. Funny, because so much people were unsure of Strickland's Libero abilities in the start of the season. Right now, I'd honestly say Strickland and Oregon's libero are the best liberos in the conference. It's perfectly fine to think that Strickland is a better libero than Gilbert, as long as you realize that you're wrong.
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Post by ay2013 on Nov 28, 2014 22:38:57 GMT -5
Not unless the committee suddenly decides to ignore RPI. Right now they would have a #3 seed (as in 9th to 12th) based on RPI. It would probably be impossible for them to get up anywhere near the top 4 in RPI at this point. [b No way a big team doesn't get top 4 seed Why not?
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Post by sportsfun on Nov 28, 2014 23:02:36 GMT -5
I've seen Gilbert have serve receive issues all season. I mean, she wasn't shanking serves left to right in those matches but I've seen her actually get hit in the face with a serve because she didn't react and back up faster. UW targeted the libero and it worked to get them out of system most times. Strickland definitely outplayed Gilbert that night by a huge margin. Funny, because so much people were unsure of Strickland's Libero abilities in the start of the season. Right now, I'd honestly say Strickland and Oregon's libero are the best liberos in the conference. It's perfectly fine to think that Strickland is a better libero than Gilbert, as long as you realize that you're wrong. I like Strickland and I expect her to come on as one of the better liberos in the country next year but just from a purely statistical perspective, she isn't even in the top 10 in the Pac-12 for dps. I realize that statistic doesn't capture a great deal that a libero brings to the game but she definitely has room for improvement and Gilbert is better. I was surprised to see that Washington is the lowest in the conference in dps this season. Their blocking explains some of it but it's clearly an area the entire team will need to improve in the future.
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Post by beaaaaast on Nov 28, 2014 23:04:10 GMT -5
I've seen Gilbert have serve receive issues all season. I mean, she wasn't shanking serves left to right in those matches but I've seen her actually get hit in the face with a serve because she didn't react and back up faster. UW targeted the libero and it worked to get them out of system most times. Strickland definitely outplayed Gilbert that night by a huge margin. Funny, because so much people were unsure of Strickland's Libero abilities in the start of the season. Right now, I'd honestly say Strickland and Oregon's libero are the best liberos in the conference. It's perfectly fine to think that Strickland is a better libero than Gilbert, as long as you realize that you're wrong. Strickland outshined Gilbert in every form of the game in the Stanford vs Washington match. The amount of times Gilbert was aced on Strickland's serve was atrocious for an elite libero. The few times she did get her hand on the ball they were not controlled passes, they were flying everywhere, forcing Bugg to go to Stanford's weak left side attack. Although, like someone mentioned before, it's hard to blame Gilbert for those poor passes on Strickland's serve because she doesn't see those types of serves at practice.
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Post by dawgnerd on Nov 29, 2014 9:13:48 GMT -5
It's perfectly fine to think that Strickland is a better libero than Gilbert, as long as you realize that you're wrong. I was surprised to see that Washington is the lowest in the conference in dps this season. Their blocking explains some of it but it's clearly an area the entire team will need to improve in the future. DPS will never be a clear assessment of libero performance across the nation. It is too affected by other aspects of the teams game. Yes, blocks take away opportunities, but even more so, hitting percentage, which cuts off long rallies that are probaby the main reason that leaders in DPS are up there. Look at who leads the DPS in the NCAA stats. Almost never from a high HP school.
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Post by Pirate VB Fan on Nov 30, 2014 13:54:13 GMT -5
Not unless the committee suddenly decides to ignore RPI. Right now they would have a #3 seed (as in 9th to 12th) based on RPI. It would probably be impossible for them to get up anywhere near the top 4 in RPI at this point. [b No way a big team doesn't get top 4 seed Not sure what your criteria of a "big team" is. I will assume you meant "Increasingly misnamed Big 10" team (abbreviated B1G). I always assumed there would be a Big14 team as one of the top 4 seeds, just no way it should be PSU based on RPI - I always assumed it would be Wisconsin, definitely now. With Texas losing yesterday (thank you Florida) the top three should be Stanford, Wisconsin, Washington and [take your pick] Texas, FSU or NC. Not sure how you would justify FSU over NC at this point, but I am sure they could come up with a way.
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Post by Cruz'n on Nov 30, 2014 13:59:02 GMT -5
I'm almost positive the botched call in the fourth set by the up ref was a mistaken backrow attack on Scambray, that's what she signaled and it came well after the "set" by Strickland. When she summoned the down ref to talk it over I could see her face turning red because of how embarrassed she felt. I thought so too. She called Scambray for the backrow attack even though she was front row. I thought the ref had called Strickland for a hand set inside the ten-foot line.
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Nov 30, 2014 14:30:45 GMT -5
I thought so too. She called Scambray for the backrow attack even though she was front row. I thought the ref had called Strickland for a hand set inside the ten-foot line. That was the call, yes. And it was correct. The delay in the whistle being blown was because Scambray attacked the ball over the height of the net following Strickland's set. If Scambray had swung flat footed or bumped the ball over, the ref would likely have swallowed her whistle.
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Post by johnbar on Nov 30, 2014 14:34:56 GMT -5
... It astounds me when a commentator makes an obvious, significant error and the other announcer won't correct him/her. We all heard and noticed it but somehow being polite or not hurting the pride of the colleague is more important than accuracy with the viewers? I agree with you on this, but just heard a counter-example. Watching my recording of Stanford at Cal; one time when Kelsey Humphreys came into serve for Merete Lutz, Anne Marie Anderson said that John Dunning coached her mother, Wendy Rush, when she played for Stanford. Holly McPeak corrected her (a little tentatively), saying something like, "I don't think they were there at the same time." Of course it was Don Shaw who coached Wendy Rush at Stanford, more than a decade before John Dunning was there. Holly should know, she played against Rush one year (1987).
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Post by Cruz'n on Nov 30, 2014 14:55:19 GMT -5
... It astounds me when a commentator makes an obvious, significant error and the other announcer won't correct him/her. We all heard and noticed it but somehow being polite or not hurting the pride of the colleague is more important than accuracy with the viewers? I agree with you on this, but just heard a counter-example. Watching my recording of Stanford at Cal; one time when Kelsey Humphreys came into serve for Merete Lutz, Anne Marie Anderson said that John Dunning coached her mother, Wendy Rush, when she played for Stanford. Holly McPeak corrected her (a little tentatively), saying something like, "I don't think they were there at the same time." Of course it was Don Shaw who coached Wendy Rush at Stanford, more than a decade before John Dunning was there. Holly should know, she played against Rush one year (1987). I missed that, as I had muted the sound halfway through first set. These two women say nothing enlightening or insightful, and are extremely annoying. As my mother said on Friday, they "prattle." Lastly, they say things that are plain wrong (like your example above). They also stated that Stanford's strength is their pins. Mute is the only way to watch a match when they are commentating.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2014 15:14:32 GMT -5
I thought the ref had called Strickland for a hand set inside the ten-foot line. That was the call, yes. And it was correct. The delay in the whistle being blown was because Scambray attacked the ball over the height of the net following Strickland's set. If Scambray had swung flat footed or bumped the ball over, the ref would likely have swallowed her whistle.
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