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Post by usvballfan on Nov 24, 2014 19:34:59 GMT -5
There are some big games this week in the top 10. So what do you think would happen if anything? And why is Florida playing at Texas (non-conference)?
Stanford @ Washington Florida @ Texas Nebraska @ Illinois, Penn State
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Post by notpriddy (COIF) on Nov 25, 2014 6:31:53 GMT -5
The worst part is, the game that's not counted is a LOSS to Texas Tech!!!! They protested a call down 4-9 in a 5th set they lost... well that doesn't seem very fair. bad calls happen all the time, teams deal with it, especially if a team is down 9-4 in the 5th set. One call should not nullify the entire match. Maybe if Christy Johnson Lynch spent as much time preparing her players to play Texas Tech as she did fighting to get the loss removed, perhaps Iowa State wouldn't have lost in the first place. Vansant went 0 kills and 5 errors in the 5th set against Colorado. This is just so unusual that something bad must have happened. I demand that the Colorado match be removed from UW's record. Very interesting posting coming from you. If I wasn't so lazy, I would research how many times you have harangued Illinois for last season's win over Arizona State due to a miscall by officials. Granted that call happened at the very end of the 5th game, but you cannot have it both ways!
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Post by bluepenquin on Nov 25, 2014 8:51:45 GMT -5
There are some big games this week in the top 10. So what do you think would happen if anything? And why is Florida playing at Texas (non-conference)?Stanford @ Washington Florida @ Texas Nebraska @ Illinois, Penn State This was a match that both schools thought would be important in preperation for the tournament. They are just not getting the top 10 matches from their conference - so they usually end up going 2 months w/o such games. This is generally different from the top teams in the PAC and B1G. Is anyone concerned about Penn State's schedule impacting their tournament? It has been 7 weeks since they last played a top 15 team (Illinois) - and they lost. They lost to Nebraska a week before that. It has been more than 2 months since they last beat a top team (Wisconsin). They do end the season against Nebraska - so that may help. Or maybe tune-ups before the tournament don't mean much?
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Post by ultrabadger on Nov 25, 2014 11:11:18 GMT -5
With Wisconsin at #5 and the Huskies playing Stanford tomorrow, I'm finding myself rooting for the Cardinal so as to give my Badgers a shot at a top 4 seed. Wisconsin needs to get the job done against Purdue on Friday, but if they do I put it at 1:3 that Wisconsin's RPI goes up one notch.
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Post by jiml on Nov 25, 2014 11:29:15 GMT -5
The RPI boost for both teams from Florida vs Texas will presumably help their NCAA seed position, and if you want a deep run in the tourney you have to be able to go up against top 10 opposition. So Florida vs Texas as a post-conference pre-tourney match makes all kinds of sense from the coaching point of view, regardless of whether they win or lose.
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Post by baywatcher on Nov 25, 2014 11:35:30 GMT -5
If all teams win out it will be very interesting to see where Washington, Wisconsin and Penn State are seeded, or even if Stanford wins, North Carolina and. Florida State, too. And if Florida beats Texas....Committee must detest all these last weekend matches, making contingency plans difficult if not impossible.
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Post by badgerbreath on Nov 25, 2014 11:58:29 GMT -5
With Wisconsin at #5 and the Huskies playing Stanford tomorrow, I'm finding myself rooting for the Cardinal so as to give my Badgers a shot at a top 4 seed. Wisconsin needs to get the job done against Purdue on Friday, but if they do I put it at 1:3 that Wisconsin's RPI goes up one notch. Because of the effect of Rutgers on the badgers' RIP (EDIT: RPI!), my guess is you will also have to root for Miami to beat FSU and Duke to beat UNC (and of course the badgers to beat a desperate Purdue team). In all of those games the favored team is at home. On the other hand, it's unclear to me if a 4 seed will be better for the badgers than a 5th and 6th seed. I think the badgers will be placed in the Minneapolis regional for 3rd and 4th rounds regardless. Question is who they play against. I can see UNC or FSU being sent to Minneapolis too. Not much difference there. Can't see Washington being forced to make that trip. PSU could also go there, although I have a suspicion the committee will try to separate the top teams in each conference, given there is enough ambiguity re rankings near the top to provide substantial wiggle room to accommodate travel and other restrictions. That said, the badgers and PSU have only played once this year, a long time ago, and that could play into a decision to have the Lions in Minneapolis.
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Post by spikerthemovie on Nov 25, 2014 12:04:03 GMT -5
If all teams win out it will be very interesting to see where Washington, Wisconsin and Penn State are seeded, or even if Stanford wins, North Carolina and. Florida State, too. And if Florida beats Texas....Committee must detest all these last weekend matches, making contingency plans difficult if not impossible. Actually, the committee has shown a willingness to ignore these late matches
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Post by midnightblue on Nov 25, 2014 13:03:37 GMT -5
With Wisconsin at #5 and the Huskies playing Stanford tomorrow, I'm finding myself rooting for the Cardinal so as to give my Badgers a shot at a top 4 seed. Wisconsin needs to get the job done against Purdue on Friday, but if they do I put it at 1:3 that Wisconsin's RPI goes up one notch. Because of the effect of Rutgers on the badgers' RIP (EDIT: RPI!), my guess is you will also have to root for Miami to beat FSU and Duke to beat UNC (and of course the badgers to beat a desperate Purdue team). In all of those games the favored team is at home. On the other hand, it's unclear to me if a 4 seed will be better for the badgers than a 5th and 6th seed. I think the badgers will be placed in the Minneapolis regional for 3rd and 4th rounds regardless. Question is who they play against. I can see UNC or FSU being sent to Minneapolis too. Not much difference there. Can't see Washington being forced to make that trip. PSU could also go there, although I have a suspicion the committee will try to separate the top teams in each conference, given there is enough ambiguity re rankings near the top to provide substantial wiggle room to accommodate travel and other restrictions. That said, the badgers and PSU have only played once this year, a long time ago, and that could play into a decision to have the Lions in Minneapolis. Would be pretty dumb of the committee to send Washington to Minneapolis when they're hosting a regional on their home floor....
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Post by badgerbreath on Nov 25, 2014 13:05:06 GMT -5
That's my point.
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Post by bluepenquin on Nov 25, 2014 13:29:55 GMT -5
With Wisconsin at #5 and the Huskies playing Stanford tomorrow, I'm finding myself rooting for the Cardinal so as to give my Badgers a shot at a top 4 seed. Wisconsin needs to get the job done against Purdue on Friday, but if they do I put it at 1:3 that Wisconsin's RPI goes up one notch. Because of the effect of Rutgers on the badgers' RIP (EDIT: RPI!), my guess is you will also have to root for Miami to beat FSU and Duke to beat UNC (and of course the badgers to beat a desperate Purdue team). In all of those games the favored team is at home. On the other hand, it's unclear to me if a 4 seed will be better for the badgers than a 5th and 6th seed. I think the badgers will be placed in the Minneapolis regional for 3rd and 4th rounds regardless. Question is who they play against. I can see UNC or FSU being sent to Minneapolis too. Not much difference there. Can't see Washington being forced to make that trip. PSU could also go there, although I have a suspicion the committee will try to separate the top teams in each conference, given there is enough ambiguity re rankings near the top to provide substantial wiggle room to accommodate travel and other restrictions. That said, the badgers and PSU have only played once this year, a long time ago, and that could play into a decision to have the Lions in Minneapolis. It is still my opinion that Rutgers impact on Wisconsin's RPI is not nearly as harmful as 'unexpected' OOC losses by Minnesota, Purdue, Michigan, etc... It is true that the addition of a bad team such as Rutgers may hurt teams at the top of the conference. Wisconsin was just as likely to beat a good team as they were Rutgers. They still were not going to beat out FSU or Washington in RPI given the overall performance of the Big 10 this year (even w/o the addition of Rutgers and Maryland). Wisconsin and UNC have almost exactly the same RPI - so anything small can tip that one way or another. I am pretty sure that nothing could happen this weekend that would cause Wisconsin to pass either FSU or Washington in the RPI. If getting a #3 or 4 seed is important (as opposed to #5 or 6), then I think the best (only avenue) is for the outright winner of the Big 10 to be seeded ahead of the 2nd place finisher of the ACC (or 2nd place finisher of the PAC, but I wouldn't count on that one).
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Post by dorothymantooth on Nov 25, 2014 13:54:45 GMT -5
Because of the effect of Rutgers on the badgers' RIP (EDIT: RPI!), my guess is you will also have to root for Miami to beat FSU and Duke to beat UNC (and of course the badgers to beat a desperate Purdue team). In all of those games the favored team is at home. On the other hand, it's unclear to me if a 4 seed will be better for the badgers than a 5th and 6th seed. I think the badgers will be placed in the Minneapolis regional for 3rd and 4th rounds regardless. Question is who they play against. I can see UNC or FSU being sent to Minneapolis too. Not much difference there. Can't see Washington being forced to make that trip. PSU could also go there, although I have a suspicion the committee will try to separate the top teams in each conference, given there is enough ambiguity re rankings near the top to provide substantial wiggle room to accommodate travel and other restrictions. That said, the badgers and PSU have only played once this year, a long time ago, and that could play into a decision to have the Lions in Minneapolis. It is still my opinion that Rutgers impact on Wisconsin's RPI is not nearly as harmful as 'unexpected' OOC losses by Minnesota, Purdue, Michigan, etc... It is true that the addition of a bad team such as Rutgers may hurt teams at the top of the conference. Wisconsin was just as likely to beat a good team as they were Rutgers. They still were not going to beat out FSU or Washington in RPI given the overall performance of the Big 10 this year (even w/o the addition of Rutgers and Maryland). Wisconsin and UNC have almost exactly the same RPI - so anything small can tip that one way or another. I am pretty sure that nothing could happen this weekend that would cause Wisconsin to pass either FSU or Washington in the RPI. If getting a #3 or 4 seed is important (as opposed to #5 or 6), then I think the best (only avenue) is for the outright winner of the Big 10 to be seeded ahead of the 2nd place finisher of the ACC (or 2nd place finisher of the PAC, but I wouldn't count on that one). seed isn't as important as draw.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Nov 25, 2014 14:11:07 GMT -5
You think Utah is out, really? I say they get in over Lipscomb and San Diego. I don't think they're out. They should surely get in over Lipscomb (H2H road win, after all) but Lipscomb's #31 RPI might be high enough they won't even be in the bubble discussion. Utah has the best wins of all the teams near them, so that might carry them through. I just think it could be rather uncomfortable being below the RPI cut-off line and losing your last two matches. Actually, I totally backtrack on this. Utah should be in, even if they lose both. 3 Top 25 wins (5 Top 50) just laps the field, and the Top 30 SOS is icing on the cake. Plus, the Washington St. loss doesn't even look bad because most bubble teams have a similar very bad loss (often plural).
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Post by badgerbreath on Nov 25, 2014 14:24:06 GMT -5
Because of the effect of Rutgers on the badgers' RIP (EDIT: RPI!), my guess is you will also have to root for Miami to beat FSU and Duke to beat UNC (and of course the badgers to beat a desperate Purdue team). In all of those games the favored team is at home. On the other hand, it's unclear to me if a 4 seed will be better for the badgers than a 5th and 6th seed. I think the badgers will be placed in the Minneapolis regional for 3rd and 4th rounds regardless. Question is who they play against. I can see UNC or FSU being sent to Minneapolis too. Not much difference there. Can't see Washington being forced to make that trip. PSU could also go there, although I have a suspicion the committee will try to separate the top teams in each conference, given there is enough ambiguity re rankings near the top to provide substantial wiggle room to accommodate travel and other restrictions. That said, the badgers and PSU have only played once this year, a long time ago, and that could play into a decision to have the Lions in Minneapolis. It is still my opinion that Rutgers impact on Wisconsin's RPI is not nearly as harmful as 'unexpected' OOC losses by Minnesota, Purdue, Michigan, etc... It is true that the addition of a bad team such as Rutgers may hurt teams at the top of the conference. Wisconsin was just as likely to beat a good team as they were Rutgers. They still were not going to beat out FSU or Washington in RPI given the overall performance of the Big 10 this year (even w/o the addition of Rutgers and Maryland). That is true for the whole season, but I was thinking about the potential for RPI to change over the last two matches. Having to play Rutgers for one of those matches when you are virtually tied with UNC for RPI means that UNC probably has to do UW a favor this weekend. In the end I think the path might be as bad or worse with a 4 seed as for a 5 or 6 seed. So I don't care that much as long as we don't travel too far.
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Post by bluepenquin on Nov 25, 2014 14:49:25 GMT -5
It is still my opinion that Rutgers impact on Wisconsin's RPI is not nearly as harmful as 'unexpected' OOC losses by Minnesota, Purdue, Michigan, etc... It is true that the addition of a bad team such as Rutgers may hurt teams at the top of the conference. Wisconsin was just as likely to beat a good team as they were Rutgers. They still were not going to beat out FSU or Washington in RPI given the overall performance of the Big 10 this year (even w/o the addition of Rutgers and Maryland). That is true for the whole season, but I was thinking about the potential for RPI to change over the last two matches. Having to play Rutgers for one of those matches when you are virtually tied with UNC for RPI means that UNC probably has to do UW a favor this weekend. In the end I think the path might be as bad or worse with a 4 seed as for a 5 or 6 seed. So I don't care that much as long as we don't travel too far. Got it! - Agree that Rutgers is not helping the RPI this weekend. And then UNC getting Duke (but then Duke has a much better chance for an upset).
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