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Post by southie on Nov 25, 2014 7:59:55 GMT -5
Always appreciated.
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Post by vbman100 on Nov 25, 2014 8:05:17 GMT -5
Trojan Bracketology (2014)
American Athletic Conference Poor Temple. Temple was in sole possession of 2nd place this weekend, but lost to both Temple and Southern Methodist to put a 3-way tie for 2nd place.
Temple - proving the old adage "The only way we lose is by beating ourselves."
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Nov 25, 2014 8:33:24 GMT -5
If we are using injuries to make excuses for loses, I would like to highlight the fact that all 3 of Hawaii's loses to the PAC 12 schools came with Nikki Taylor out of the lineup (she barely played vs UCLA) for Hawai'i. I see that since Long Beach was pretty much healthy this season, Ccmanlb has to make injury excuses for another team this year actually LB wasn't fully healthy in non-conference. Okpala was playing injured until the 4th week, and not 100% for the first 2 LB matches of the season (Illinois & North Car), and then Miley went down just before the Oregon State match not making excuses - just pointing out how silly I think the 'bad loss' category is because a) they can often coincide with an injury and b) in many cases RPI 100 is a pretty piss poor measuring stick for delegating a bad los since when you get to the higher ranges of RPI discrepancies between Massey/Pablo & RPI can get extremely high - RPI says Cal & Washington State are 'bad losses' and that is just a joke - there is no 'bad loss' in the Pac-12 this year
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Nov 25, 2014 8:38:12 GMT -5
I don't know how much the committee will consider it, but Northridge 1) lost to SB & Davis when their starting setter was out for almost a month - they beat both teams with their setter back 2) SB & Davis shouldn't probably be bad losses (they wouldn't qualify as such in Massey) - but there goes RPI again Northridge played their entire non-conference on the road - I think if the committee looks at Northridge with any sort of 'depth' they'll be in easily, assuming they win both this week If we are using injuries to make excuses for loses, I would like to highlight the fact that all 3 of Hawaii's loses to the PAC 12 schools came with Nikki Taylor out of the lineup (she barely played vs UCLA) for Hawai'i. the point isn't excuses - the point is 'bad losses' can be the absolutely worst measuring sticks of a team to use - and compounded because of RPI
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Post by vbman100 on Nov 25, 2014 9:27:44 GMT -5
Bad losses shouldn't really be used to determine if a team is worthy of getting in or not. It should be more about quality wins.
You put the tournament teams/brackets together and should be able to say "Can this team beat some other good teams? Do they have the potential to play with/be competitive with other good teams?"
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Post by dorothymantooth on Nov 25, 2014 9:30:21 GMT -5
Bad losses shouldn't really be used to determine if a team is worthy of getting in or not. It should be more about quality wins. You put the tournament teams/brackets together and should be able to say "Can this team beat some other good teams? Do they have the potential to play with/be competitive with other good teams?" I guess I have to say I totally disagree. You are your entire body of work, good and bad.
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Post by Not Me on Nov 25, 2014 9:33:27 GMT -5
Bad losses shouldn't really be used to determine if a team is worthy of getting in or not. It should be more about quality wins. You put the tournament teams/brackets together and should be able to say "Can this team beat some other good teams? Do they have the potential to play with/be competitive with other good teams?" Couldn't a "good win" for one team be a "bad loss" for the other? So by your reasoning, that game should only count for one team, and not the other?
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Post by tncoach on Nov 25, 2014 9:45:12 GMT -5
Love the information. Not that it is a major point, but. Liberty's fall in the Big South was due to injury- lost the front-runner for POY (Douglas) and starting RS in the same weekend, the two accounted for over 60% of their offense. Coastal is playing very well and hopefully will represent the Big South well in the tourney.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Nov 25, 2014 9:45:44 GMT -5
One thing that's somewhat interesting, 3 of the closest teams on the bubble are walking around with a best best win of Ohio St. (Ohio, Ill State if they lose MVC, Purdue). Minnesota has that plus a better one, which is something that stands out if you look at the profiles side-by-side - the irony of course is that they probably need to beat them again (and be the only team to do it on the road) to stay relevant there.
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Post by baywatcher on Nov 25, 2014 11:06:33 GMT -5
SMU has a first week loss to a San Francisco team that haunts bubble WCC teams with bad loss syndrome. Ironic to travel so far so early to otherwise screw up your resume.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Nov 25, 2014 11:50:47 GMT -5
Bad losses shouldn't really be used to determine if a team is worthy of getting in or not. It should be more about quality wins. You put the tournament teams/brackets together and should be able to say "Can this team beat some other good teams? Do they have the potential to play with/be competitive with other good teams?" I guess I have to say I totally disagree. You are your entire body of work, good and bad. normally I'd agree, but west coast 'bad' teams get hammered by RPI even more so than west coast 'good teams' - San Fran, Santa Barbara, Davis, Irvine, Pepperdine, St. Marys, Cal, Washington State - these are all 'bad teams' over the season by RPI, in some case as much as 50 point differentials between RPI & Massey - it's probably the most glaring example of how RPI distorts performance evaluation
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Post by waynefamous on Nov 25, 2014 13:59:36 GMT -5
I can only imagine how frustrated SMU will be if they are the highest RPI left out for the second time in five seasons.
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Post by mnsports255 on Nov 25, 2014 14:44:02 GMT -5
One thing that's somewhat interesting, 3 of the closest teams on the bubble are walking around with a best best win of Ohio St. (Ohio, Ill State if they lose MVC, Purdue). Minnesota has that plus a better one, which is something that stands out if you look at the profiles side-by-side - the irony of course is that they probably need to beat them again (and be the only team to do it on the road) to stay relevant there. You also have to consider, if your the committee, how much this incredibly young Gophers team has improved in the last part of the season. Things are starting to mesh with them now.
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Post by transformer on Nov 25, 2014 15:18:12 GMT -5
great stuff - thanks for all the work that went into it.
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Post by Wiswell on Nov 25, 2014 15:52:10 GMT -5
I probably have the same color scheme as GoBucky, which is the light grey background. Unfortunately there aren't a lot of colors that look good on the light background AND the default background. Yep, light gray Black, Red, Blue, orange all good. Green is the worst.
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