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Post by redbeard2008 on Nov 28, 2014 15:32:27 GMT -5
Too broad of a brush. Sometimes the problem is toxic parents. Sometimes it is just immaturity. Or it can just be a mismatch, a disciplinarian coach and a "free spirit" player.
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Post by akbar on Nov 28, 2014 16:54:50 GMT -5
It is seldom that the miserable can help regarding their misery as a wrong inflicted by those who are less miserable.
G. Eliot
It would be my opinion that more times than not it cannot be changed. It also becomes a matter of time before that negative person infects another. Then you have a serious problem and a lot of energy is being wasted by everyone in the program.
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Nov 28, 2014 17:19:00 GMT -5
More than one national championship has been won with a starter having a very difficult personality. A happy locker room is desirable, but not always required, for winning. In addition, I can name a number of players who came into a program with (choose your poison) a bad attitude, anger issues, poor work ethic, a sense of entitlement etc - but who went through a maturation process during their career. Behaviors can be changed, kids can mature - heck, I arrived on campus a cocky, entitled A-hole, and left four years later a mature A-hole. OK, maybe not the best example.
At any rate, I agree with Redbeard - you need to be careful not to paint with too broad a brush. Some kids change, some don't, but it's not black or white
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Post by socalplayer on Nov 28, 2014 18:01:13 GMT -5
I can name a number of players who came into a program with (choose your poison) a bad attitude, anger issues, poor work ethic, a sense of entitlement etc - but who went through a maturation process during their career.] And Falyn F. was definitely not one of them. Unfortunately, she was/is a prime example of bad attitude. You can add Destinee Hooker to that list too.
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Post by pogoball on Nov 28, 2014 19:37:19 GMT -5
Chuck Daly, one of the greatest BB coaches in history, once said something to the effect that you can have one knucklehead on a team and be successful. One will be ignored by his teammates. The problem is when you have a second, they band together and cause a rift.
I would combine many of the expressed ideas with the above quote in mind. As a coach, you will have more success with a fundamentally supportive hard-working team than with a more "talented" team full of knuckleheads. However, if you have already created a strong environment, then you can add a problem child or two and help them mature.
Brains are still maturing up until someone reaches their mid-20s. It's pretty common to see young athletes (or non-athletes) start to figure out life and mature from a selfish jerk to a considerate adult as they hit their 30s.
edit: one final addendum: poor attitude can be relative to the personality fit of a coach and player. I've often worked with teens considered problems by other teachers/coaches that have been great with me -- and vice-versa.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2014 19:40:34 GMT -5
Pogo--I think Daly was ripping off an old Casey Stengel comment about how he survived so long as a manager.
Personally, I prefer the Tony LaRussa. With Oakland when Dave Parker left, he was asked if he was going to miss Parker's leadership and chemistry. LaRussa responded, "The leadership I'll miss are the 25 homers and hundred RBI."
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Post by ja on Nov 28, 2014 20:43:18 GMT -5
Had to part away with my best point productive player this season, just to save the team. Once she was gone the chemistry started to heal and quality of the game improved dramatically. End up to be the second best decision I made last season. Negative leadership is the fastest way to destroy everything you believe as a coach! We missed her points production, but I would rather loose few matches then have person like her on the team! It was great to see her sitting on the bleaches when my girls won on senior night! I hope she learned her lesson, but I really doubt she would ever change.
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Post by kabvb on Nov 28, 2014 22:52:23 GMT -5
Had to part away with my best point productive player this season, just to save the team. Once she was gone the chemistry started to heal and quality of the game improved dramatically. End up to be the second best decision I made last season. Negative leadership is the fastest way to destroy everything you believe as a coach! We missed her points production, but I would rather loose few matches then have person like her on the team! It was great to see her sitting on the bleaches when my girls won on senior night! I hope she learned her lesson, but I really doubt she would ever change. I would bet Nebraska and Illinois can testify to this . Nothing will be done or was done for either. One of those teams the problem will be solved through graduation .
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Post by preschooler on Nov 29, 2014 0:56:19 GMT -5
"Lord have mercy, goodbye Percy!"
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Post by brickwall on Nov 29, 2014 2:34:14 GMT -5
I think it depends on what you think is a bad attitude, and the age of that bad attitude. What I have noticed is that young, highly competitive athletes often appear to have attitudes when they just really want to compete. They hold themselves and their teammates up to a standard that is higher than they are capable of at this time. These bad attitudes disappear as maturity and the level of play increases, but it can look pretty ugly on the court in the meanwhile. I've found that heart to hearts and gentle reminders during play can work wonders with these players. They aren't trying to cause problems, they just want to win. People who cause drama and trouble off the court are different, and less likely to change. Disrespectful players can be toxic also. Is the attitude their overall personality, or just a competitive environment thing?
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Post by maplespear on Nov 29, 2014 7:48:27 GMT -5
Had to part away with my best point productive player this season, just to save the team. Once she was gone the chemistry started to heal and quality of the game improved dramatically. End up to be the second best decision I made last season. Negative leadership is the fastest way to destroy everything you believe as a coach! We missed her points production, but I would rather loose few matches then have person like her on the team! It was great to see her sitting on the bleaches when my girls won on senior night! I hope she learned her lesson, but I really doubt she would ever change. Just curious was there any pre-talk with her before she left? i.e., if this continues, you will be off the team, so to speak.
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Post by ja on Nov 29, 2014 9:27:23 GMT -5
Had to part away with my best point productive player this season, just to save the team. Once she was gone the chemistry started to heal and quality of the game improved dramatically. End up to be the second best decision I made last season. Negative leadership is the fastest way to destroy everything you believe as a coach! We missed her points production, but I would rather loose few matches then have person like her on the team! It was great to see her sitting on the bleaches when my girls won on senior night! I hope she learned her lesson, but I really doubt she would ever change. Just curious was there any pre-talk with her before she left? i.e., if this continues, you will be off the team, so to speak. Yes, I did warn her. She even send me and my coaching staff email how much she wants to help team and how committed she is. It was so ironic! She was a senior and totally controls team with previous coaching staff. After she was gone girls told me that at least three good players did not return because of her. It was good to have SWA on my side, so we did this quietly without parents involvement.
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Post by junior1 on Nov 29, 2014 14:22:00 GMT -5
Seen a few young ladies who got entitled by the beach culture/parents/friends, etc..., where being the best around leads to coaches, parents, players, recruiters, peers fawning over children. Kind of felt sorry for these kids as you could see the impact that this was having on their growth and development as people. If being a successful athlete were all that was necessary to be successful in life, I guess that this behavior by sycophants entitling children would be fine. Unfortunately, that isn't the reality, putting a child on a pedestal does so much damage. Parents, educators, adults and coaches would do their children so much good if they could keep them grounded, strong but respectful and along a path where they can be happy successful citizens. Have seen, however, some people grow out of this and be successful teammates and positive contributors to society. One I know of is having a great resurgence in Puerto Rico. It was very nice to see.
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Nov 29, 2014 14:36:09 GMT -5
Seen a few young ladies who got entitled by the beach culture/parents/friends, etc..., where being the best around leads to coaches, parents, players, recruiters, peers fawning over children. Kind of felt sorry for these kids as you could see the impact that this was having on their growth and development as people. If being a successful athlete were all that was necessary to be successful in life, I guess that this behavior by sycophants entitling children would be fine. Unfortunately, that isn't the reality, putting a child on a pedestal does so much damage. Parents, educators, adults and coaches would do their children so much good if they could keep them grounded, strong but respectful and along a path where they can be happy successful citizens. Have seen, however, some people grow out of this and be successful teammates and positive contributors to society. One I know of is having a great resurgence in Puerto Rico. It was very nice to see. Falyn? Yeah, she's surprised me - in a good way - in the past couple of years.
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Post by notpriddy (COIF) on Nov 30, 2014 13:39:50 GMT -5
It is a difficult situation when a player is clearly the best on a team, and wants to win so badly, yet continually is disappointed by teammates who are much less successful. It is definitely a challenge to the superior athlete's character to accept the fact that others on the team are not as gifted as they are, and though the optimum is for the superior player to accept this and do their best to encourage their less successful teammates, at the very least, the superior player needs to accept disappointments without recriminations towards their less successful teammates. This is what being a good teammate is all about.
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