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Post by Pirate VB Fan on Dec 2, 2014 17:53:30 GMT -5
Digs/set, by itself, is a pretty meaningless stat. Washington was #11 in digs/set, but was #1 in aces/set and blocks/set. Every ace/set and block/set was a dig opportunity eliminated (1.62 + 2.86 = 4.48). Her serving impact might have raised her above the rest. That Gilbert, the other HM libero named, was demolished in serve receive by Strickland and company likely hurt her chances for the award. This whole statement is wrong I don't even know where to begin. You can't discount digs because of the amount of blocks or aces your team has cause that is to suggest that Cassie Strickland was in the backrow everytime UW made a block or served an ace so that is simply immeasurable. Also even if this was your suggestion on the same account Stanford = 3.48 blocks + aces so its not like Gilbert was just getting balls pounded at her for her to easily pick up. You said Strickland was demolished on serve reception. Well that is good for a laugh. .965 Strickland while Gilbert is at .944. That is a difference of .021. Not much by comparison on conference season Strickland averages 4.07 digs per set. Gilbert averaged 4.89 digs per set that's certainly demolishing Strickland by .82 digs per set. In my opinion Cassies serving shouldn't even be considered yes when her serve is effective it is lethal but more often than not she serves errors her error count more than doubles her aces. She has I believe one of the worst serve percentages on her team. I don't believe Cassie is the best libero in the conference I do believe it is Gilbert but I would even say Benson is better. She is very good the only justification I could say is maybe they felt the need to give the award to her because it is very impressive how she stepped into the role after not ever previously played the position. The "demolished in serve receive" quote was specifically about the UW/Stanford match, not the season as a whole, and there was no question Strickland was the better libero of the two that night. Also, when looking at Cassie's serving you have to realize that even when it is not an Ace her Opponents OOS percentage is very high. To not even consider serving is ludicrous.
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Post by Pirate VB Fan on Dec 2, 2014 17:55:39 GMT -5
All in all, I thought that Wade and Vansant were the most effective servers for the Huskies, with Beals close to them. I think these numbers back that up. But Strickland applied an undeniable mental pressure on opponents. Even as they shanked off Wade's and Vansant's serves, it seemed like they were not afraid of them. But with Strickland it seemed like teams visibly braced for trouble. What you really need is Points Off Serve as my impression is that Cassie gets a lot more OOS and free balls than the others. Yes, it is high risk and high reward, but Aces are only one part of the reward.
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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 2, 2014 18:01:39 GMT -5
All in all, I thought that Wade and Vansant were the most effective servers for the Huskies, with Beals close to them. I think these numbers back that up. But Strickland applied an undeniable mental pressure on opponents. Even as they shanked off Wade's and Vansant's serves, it seemed like they were not afraid of them. But with Strickland it seemed like teams visibly braced for trouble. What you really need is Points Off Serve as my impression is that Cassie gets a lot more OOS and free balls than the others. Yes, it is high risk and high reward, but Aces are only one part of the reward. I don't think so. Wade's floaty floaters, Vansant's hard-driven floaters, and Beals's short serves put the opponents OOS quite often, which is why they got so many chances to serve again.
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Post by Pirate VB Fan on Dec 2, 2014 18:23:16 GMT -5
I don't think so. Wade's floaty floaters, Vansant's hard-driven floaters, and Beals's short serves put the opponents OOS quite often, which is why they got so many chances to serve again. Good point. Still the most fun UW server to watch since Jill Colleymore.
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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 2, 2014 18:32:35 GMT -5
I don't think so. Wade's floaty floaters, Vansant's hard-driven floaters, and Beals's short serves put the opponents OOS quite often, which is why they got so many chances to serve again. Good point. Still the most fun UW server to watch since Jill Colleymore. Jill was spectacular!
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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 2, 2014 18:46:55 GMT -5
The five players who have won PAC POY two years in a row:
Krista Vansant (Washington; 2013-14) Foluke Akindradewo (Stanford; 2007-08) Logan Tom (Stanford; 2001-02) Kerri Walsh (Stanford; 1998-99) Daiva Tomkus (UCLA; 1988-89)
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Post by ay2013 on Dec 2, 2014 19:05:49 GMT -5
18 players is just way too many. Brenner has not had an All-Pac 12 deserving season, as she has averaged 2.8 kills, 3.7 digs and hit just .169 in conference play. Throw in 0.16 blocks per set to boot. agreed on Brenner.
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Post by ay2013 on Dec 2, 2014 19:09:21 GMT -5
I don't think so. Wade's floaty floaters, Vansant's hard-driven floaters, and Beals's short serves put the opponents OOS quite often, which is why they got so many chances to serve again. Good point. Still the most fun UW server to watch since Jill Colleymore. I loved me some Jill Collymore
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Post by ay2013 on Dec 2, 2014 19:11:51 GMT -5
What you really need is Points Off Serve as my impression is that Cassie gets a lot more OOS and free balls than the others. Yes, it is high risk and high reward, but Aces are only one part of the reward. I don't think so. Wade's floaty floaters, Vansant's hard-driven floaters, and Beals's short serves put the opponents OOS quite often, which is why they got so many chances to serve again. Wade serving is UW's best rotation, and I don't even think it's that close. Strickland may have the most impressive serve, when she gets it in, but she also makes a lot of errors (which is unfortunate because Vansant is front row when Strickland serves). An effective server is only as good as the points garnered in the rotation as a whole. IMO UW's best serving rotations on the year are, in order Wade (gap) Beals Vansant Scambray Strickland
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Post by redbeard2008 on Dec 2, 2014 19:12:24 GMT -5
Digs/set, by itself, is a pretty meaningless stat. Washington was #11 in digs/set, but was #1 in aces/set and blocks/set. Every ace/set and block/set was a dig opportunity eliminated (1.62 + 2.86 = 4.48). Her serving impact might have raised her above the rest. That Gilbert, the other HM libero named, was demolished in serve receive by Strickland and company likely hurt her chances for the award. This whole statement is wrong I don't even know where to begin. You can't discount digs because of the amount of blocks or aces your team has cause that is to suggest that Cassie Strickland was in the backrow everytime UW made a block or served an ace so that is simply immeasurable. Also even if this was your suggestion on the same account Stanford = 3.48 blocks + aces so its not like Gilbert was just getting balls pounded at her for her to easily pick up. You said Strickland was demolished on serve reception. Well that is good for a laugh. .965 Strickland while Gilbert is at .944. That is a difference of .021. Not much by comparison on conference season Strickland averages 4.07 digs per set. Gilbert averaged 4.89 digs per set that's certainly demolishing Strickland by .82 digs per set. In my opinion Cassies serving shouldn't even be considered yes when her serve is effective it is lethal but more often than not she serves errors her error count more than doubles her aces. She has I believe one of the worst serve percentages on her team. I don't believe Cassie is the best libero in the conference I do believe it is Gilbert but I would even say Benson is better. She is very good the only justification I could say is maybe they felt the need to give the award to her because it is very impressive how she stepped into the role after not ever previously played the position. How am I discounting digs? I just think that digs/set, by itself, is a pretty meaningless stat, for the reasons mentioned. UW is #11 in the conference in digs/set - they must be pretty bad defensively, right? Funny, they're #2 in Opp. Hitting Percentage (2nd to Stanford by .001). You can have multiple digs in a rally, by the way, but only one ace or block. As to whether serving should be considered in deciding the LOY award, I don't see why not. Liberos serve. I see the award as for the player's play at the position, including passing, digging, serving, setting, and leadership, rather than just part of their play.
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Post by blastingsand on Dec 2, 2014 19:21:49 GMT -5
Are people this upset with Cassie winning LOY or are the husky fans just overreacting and being overdefensive?
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Post by redbeard2008 on Dec 2, 2014 19:22:27 GMT -5
I don't think so. Wade's floaty floaters, Vansant's hard-driven floaters, and Beals's short serves put the opponents OOS quite often, which is why they got so many chances to serve again. Wade serving is UW's best rotation, and I don't even think it's that close. It's a combination of her serve and the front row players, it would score even more points if she weren't a middle and we had a libero on the court defensively. Yep, three All-Pac-12 (and likely All-American) Players in the frontrow.
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Post by FTLOG on Dec 2, 2014 19:29:45 GMT -5
I'm a Stanford fan and I have no problem with Strickland winning LOY. I love Gilbert and think she's probably the quicker player/digger, but serve receive is so important, especially for a team that relies on it's middle attack so much. Gilbert's passing is suspect...
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Post by ay2013 on Dec 2, 2014 19:46:10 GMT -5
Wade serving is UW's best rotation, and I don't even think it's that close. It's a combination of her serve and the front row players, it would score even more points if she weren't a middle and we had a libero on the court defensively. Yep, three All-Pac-12 (and likely All-American) Players in the frontrow. UW has messed in their rotations some this year. There have been matches where Strickland has served with Vansant front row too, while Vansant is backrow with Wade.
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Post by Ye Olde Dawg on Dec 2, 2014 19:52:47 GMT -5
I'm a Stanford fan and I have no problem with Strickland winning LOY. I love Gilbert and think she's probably the quicker player/digger, but serve receive is so important, especially for a team that relies on it's middle attack so much. Gilbert's passing is suspect... I remember reading a GM2 blog some time ago, which argued that receiving serve is the most important way that a libero can contribute to the success of the team. So you may have hit on an important factor in the choice as well.
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