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Post by SportyBucky on Jul 15, 2015 7:55:44 GMT -5
There are very few freshmen that come into a top program and make an immediate impact. I'm not real sure Duello is there. I have no doubt she will get quality playing time this season. She may be nursed into the season as mid conference rolls along...IMO And would you have said, coming into last season, that Bates was going to have an impact? Just curious. By the way, not that it's the measure, but Kelly was 63 on prepvb ranking. Oh, and have you seen Penn State's freshman and their impact? This class is similar to a PSU class of years past. We have a few sure-fired stars to be, and a few that can surprise. It's all about how they're developed and who is setting them. LC will make stars out of more than a few freshmen. Just sayin.'
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Post by rainbowbadger on Jul 15, 2015 9:14:55 GMT -5
There are very few freshmen that come into a top program and make an immediate impact. I'm not real sure Duello is there. I have no doubt she will get quality playing time this season. She may be nursed into the season as mid conference rolls along...IMO And would you have said, coming into last season, that Bates was going to have an impact? Just curious. By the way, not that it's the measure, but Kelly was 63 on prepvb ranking. Oh, and have you seen Penn State's freshman and their impact? This class is similar to a PSU class of years past. We have a few sure-fired stars to be, and a few that can surprise. It's all about how they're developed and who is setting them. LC will make stars out of more than a few freshmen. Just sayin.' A couple of considerations: Coming out of high school, it looks like Duello doesn't pass well enough to be a 6-rotation player, but that is not uncommon, and it doesn't mean she's not capable of making an immediate impact. Prior to the confirmation of Gillis's transfer, the general consensus prediction was that Duello would be the second starting OH, and that MacDonald would play back row for her. Duello was good enough to do that in March, and she's still good enough to do that in July. Duello's skill level hasn't changed (or if it has, it's probably for the better, given that she's spent the last month in open gyms with her new teammates). What HAS changed is the arrival of another OH, one who has collegiate experience and 6-rotation potential, who will probably supersede Duello on the depth chart. And isn't it possible that many freshmen don't make an immediate impact on a top program because they're behind more senior players on the depth chart? It's not that they aren't objectively good, or good compared to other freshmen. It's that they aren't good enough to beat out the seniors who play in those programs. A rockstar freshman who goes to Penn State may sit, but she'd start at Directional State U because she walks in already better than half of the team. For the record, I really hope Sheffield does work Duello in some. I hope that we have options, and I hope that he uses them.
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Post by SportyBucky on Jul 15, 2015 10:52:09 GMT -5
And would you have said, coming into last season, that Bates was going to have an impact? Just curious. By the way, not that it's the measure, but Kelly was 63 on prepvb ranking. Oh, and have you seen Penn State's freshman and their impact? This class is similar to a PSU class of years past. We have a few sure-fired stars to be, and a few that can surprise. It's all about how they're developed and who is setting them. LC will make stars out of more than a few freshmen. Just sayin.' A couple of considerations: Coming out of high school, it looks like Duello doesn't pass well enough to be a 6-rotation player, but that is not uncommon, and it doesn't mean she's not capable of making an immediate impact. Prior to the confirmation of Gillis's transfer, the general consensus prediction was that Duello would be the second starting OH, and that MacDonald would play back row for her. Duello was good enough to do that in March, and she's still good enough to do that in July. Duello's skill level hasn't changed (or if it has, it's probably for the better, given that she's spent the last month in open gyms with her new teammates). What HAS changed is the arrival of another OH, one who has collegiate experience and 6-rotation potential, who will probably supersede Duello on the depth chart. And isn't it possible that many freshmen don't make an immediate impact on a top program because they're behind more senior players on the depth chart? It's not that they aren't objectively good, or good compared to other freshmen. It's that they aren't good enough to beat out the seniors who play in those programs. A rockstar freshman who goes to Penn State may sit, but she'd start at Directional State U because she walks in already better than half of the team. For the record, I really hope Sheffield does work Duello in some. I hope that we have options, and I hope that he uses them. I get the concept. No one would have said Bates was playing last year, much less starting. They also wouldn't have said she'd be all big frosh team. Things happened to push her to the front of the line and she stepped up. Whether it's Duello, McDonald or Tionna, one or several will get to start at UW despite having good players in front of them and maybe in spite of having good players in front of them.
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Post by BadgerAce42 on Jul 15, 2015 11:15:17 GMT -5
A couple of considerations: Coming out of high school, it looks like Duello doesn't pass well enough to be a 6-rotation player, but that is not uncommon, and it doesn't mean she's not capable of making an immediate impact. Prior to the confirmation of Gillis's transfer, the general consensus prediction was that Duello would be the second starting OH, and that MacDonald would play back row for her. Duello was good enough to do that in March, and she's still good enough to do that in July. Duello's skill level hasn't changed (or if it has, it's probably for the better, given that she's spent the last month in open gyms with her new teammates). What HAS changed is the arrival of another OH, one who has collegiate experience and 6-rotation potential, who will probably supersede Duello on the depth chart. And isn't it possible that many freshmen don't make an immediate impact on a top program because they're behind more senior players on the depth chart? It's not that they aren't objectively good, or good compared to other freshmen. It's that they aren't good enough to beat out the seniors who play in those programs. A rockstar freshman who goes to Penn State may sit, but she'd start at Directional State U because she walks in already better than half of the team. For the record, I really hope Sheffield does work Duello in some. I hope that we have options, and I hope that he uses them. I get the concept. No one would have said Bates was playing last year, much less starting. They also wouldn't have said she'd be all big frosh team. Things happened to push her to the front of the line and she stepped up. Whether it's Duello, McDonald or Tionna, one or several will get to start at UW despite having good players in front of them and maybe in spite of having good players in front of them. Curious as I'm a newer fan to Wisconsin volleyball: We all take player rankings with a grain of salt, but who was the last top 10 OH recruited for Wisconsin and how did they perform their freshman year compared to what the team already had? Likewise, how were players like Chapman and Morales their freshman year?
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Post by SportyBucky on Jul 15, 2015 12:56:46 GMT -5
I get the concept. No one would have said Bates was playing last year, much less starting. They also wouldn't have said she'd be all big frosh team. Things happened to push her to the front of the line and she stepped up. Whether it's Duello, McDonald or Tionna, one or several will get to start at UW despite having good players in front of them and maybe in spite of having good players in front of them. Curious as I'm a newer fan to Wisconsin volleyball: We all take player rankings with a grain of salt, but who was the last top 10 OH recruited for Wisconsin and how did they perform their freshman year compared to what the team already had? Likewise, how were players like Chapman and Morales their freshman year? Ellen Chapman was #6 and was big ten frosh team and AA HM junior year. Crystal Graf was 21st and in my opinion, likely a better all around player than Chapman but was injured most of her career. Britney Dolgner was the highest rated and best performing OH hitter in recent memory. She was prepvb national player of the year her junior and senior years, but was 20th on prep list. She played against a PSU class that was amazing, but she more than held her own. AA but her back was in very bad shape, particularly her junior and senior years. Amazing player and outperformed her 20th ranking for sure.
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Post by Disc808 on Jul 15, 2015 20:33:34 GMT -5
In case all you Wisconsin fans haven't heard, haggerty's high school team was ranked number 3 for preseason according to Maxpreps.
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Post by firedup on Jul 15, 2015 23:20:22 GMT -5
In case all you Wisconsin fans haven't heard, haggerty's high school team was ranked number 3 for preseason according to Maxpreps. Bottom line is Haggerty is fantastic. We get it. High school rankings, especially virtual ones in which there is no event that matches teams up in competition, should hold little to no weight to Badger or any other team's fans. Let her enjoy her high school experience with her teammates. She'll be in Madison soon enough.
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Post by rainbowbadger on Jul 16, 2015 6:03:25 GMT -5
I want Molly and Mary and Sarah to have fantastic senior years full of fun and academic/athletic success and health.
That said, after this spring, I'm not counting my recruits until they show up on campus for summer classes.
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Post by lucky5 on Jul 16, 2015 7:01:34 GMT -5
Rainbow.....Please don't tell me you are questioning academic issues? (Brooke Morgan) Or did I read too much between the lines, which I'm hoping I did.
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Post by rainbowbadger on Jul 16, 2015 8:50:56 GMT -5
After Sarah Wilhite retracted her verbal to Wisconsin and signed with Minnesota, I established a policy of "don't count my recruits until they've signed NLIs." Then Morgan signed an NLI but didn't wind up enrolling, so I've changed my policy to "don't count my recruits until they've enrolled."
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2015 23:30:34 GMT -5
A couple of considerations: Coming out of high school, it looks like Duello doesn't pass well enough to be a 6-rotation player, but that is not uncommon, and it doesn't mean she's not capable of making an immediate impact. Prior to the confirmation of Gillis's transfer, the general consensus prediction was that Duello would be the second starting OH, and that MacDonald would play back row for her. Duello was good enough to do that in March, and she's still good enough to do that in July. Duello's skill level hasn't changed (or if it has, it's probably for the better, given that she's spent the last month in open gyms with her new teammates). What HAS changed is the arrival of another OH, one who has collegiate experience and 6-rotation potential, who will probably supersede Duello on the depth chart. And isn't it possible that many freshmen don't make an immediate impact on a top program because they're behind more senior players on the depth chart? It's not that they aren't objectively good, or good compared to other freshmen. It's that they aren't good enough to beat out the seniors who play in those programs. A rockstar freshman who goes to Penn State may sit, but she'd start at Directional State U because she walks in already better than half of the team. For the record, I really hope Sheffield does work Duello in some. I hope that we have options, and I hope that he uses them. I get the concept. No one would have said Bates was playing last year, much less starting. Quite a few people had Bates easily in the lineup, myself included. She was playing incredible volleyball for Ultimate during her senior year. It was the Wisconsin homers who were unwilling to believe that anyone could beat out Morales.
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Post by rainbowbadger on Jul 17, 2015 5:31:40 GMT -5
I get the concept. No one would have said Bates was playing last year, much less starting. Quite a few people had Bates easily in the lineup, myself included. She was playing incredible volleyball for Ultimate during her senior year. It was the Wisconsin homers who were unwilling to believe that anyone could beat out Morales. In retrospect we do seem naive. Do keep in mind, though, that none of us had seen Bates play, and add in a dash of skepticism about freshmen transitioning. I'm glad things worked out the way they did. Bates had an awesome freshman campaign. I've said this before, but it's still true: it was a joy to watch her develop last year. I'm a fan. I'm also impressed with Deme, who made huge, though less visible contributions and stepped up her own back row game in order to do so. She also mentored Bates and handled her role change with maturity and class. My hopes for this year: -Bates remains solid or (better) grows her game more -Gillis blossoms into a confident 6-rotation hitter -Romo's long, slow rehab pays off -LC and Tay stay healthy and continue to anchor the team -Nelson continues to grow -Williams and MacDonald have strong freshman campaigns -Duello gets some match time and transitions well to college
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Post by rainbowbadger on Jul 17, 2015 5:34:00 GMT -5
Somewhat related: Wisconsin is restructuring the strength & conditioning program. Volleyball's former S&C coach, Micah Cloward, is out. The new guy is Kevin Schultz, whom we'll share with men's & women's soccer. www.uwbadgers.com/genrel/071615aad.html
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Post by SportyBucky on Jul 17, 2015 9:27:04 GMT -5
I get the concept. No one would have said Bates was playing last year, much less starting. Quite a few people had Bates easily in the lineup, myself included. She was playing incredible volleyball for Ultimate during her senior year. It was the Wisconsin homers who were unwilling to believe that anyone could beat out Morales. Bates over Kriskova, an HH AA? You're crazy.
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Post by SportyBucky on Jul 17, 2015 9:27:50 GMT -5
Quite a few people had Bates easily in the lineup, myself included. She was playing incredible volleyball for Ultimate during her senior year. It was the Wisconsin homers who were unwilling to believe that anyone could beat out Morales. In retrospect we do seem naive. Do keep in mind, though, that none of us had seen Bates play, and add in a dash of skepticism about freshmen transitioning. I'm glad things worked out the way they did. Bates had an awesome freshman campaign. I've said this before, but it's still true: it was a joy to watch her develop last year. I'm a fan. I'm also impressed with Deme, who made huge, though less visible contributions and stepped up her own back row game in order to do so. She also mentored Bates and handled her role change with maturity and class. My hopes for this year: -Bates remains solid or (better) grows her game more -Gillis blossoms into a confident 6-rotation hitter -Romo's long, slow rehab pays off -LC and Tay stay healthy and continue to anchor the team -Nelson continues to grow -Williams and MacDonald have strong freshman campaigns -Duello gets some match time and transitions well to college Not sure it's naivete or the fact that before the season, there was an HM AA ahead of her.
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