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Post by wonderwarthog79 on Dec 17, 2014 0:23:14 GMT -5
Not sure about Rose's "edge". Sound mystical to me. I realize what happened in early September doesn't really tell us much about late December matches, but I'll pass this thought on anyway: After leaving the Stanford-PSU match in September, I remember asking my friend: "How did Stanford win that thing?" Neither of us could come up with much, so I checked the stats and watched some of my recorded match later. The difference was while both teams made errors, PSU made theirs (mostly hitting errors) at critical times in the match, so I guess Stanford had the "edge". Not sure how the Thursday match will go, but I'll hit the Stanford points and leave the PSU ones to others. In early September, Boukather was just re-learning her job as the starting opposite. Burgess was struggling with Bugg's sets. Lutz was splitting time with McGehee and finding her niche on the team. Bugg's progress in setting the middles, Burgess, and Boukather, and, to a lesser degree, Howard was in the future. I still think Stanford depends on passing much more than PSU which seems to be able to score with some really mediocre passing. Stanford needs to assert its style with PSU the way they did with Florida, and I have major doubts about that.
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Post by hardbop on Dec 17, 2014 1:02:38 GMT -5
Not sure about Rose's "edge". Sound mystical to me. I realize what happened in early September doesn't really tell us much about late December matches, but I'll pass this thought on anyway: After leaving the Stanford-PSU match in September, I remember asking my friend: "How did Stanford win that thing?" Neither of us could come up with much, so I checked the stats and watched some of my recorded match later. The difference was while both teams made errors, PSU made theirs (mostly hitting errors) at critical times in the match, so I guess Stanford had the "edge". Not sure how the Thursday match will go, but I'll hit the Stanford points and leave the PSU ones to others. In early September, Boukather was just re-learning her job as the starting opposite. Burgess was struggling with Bugg's sets. Lutz was splitting time with McGehee and finding her niche on the team. Bugg's progress in setting the middles, Burgess, and Boukather, and, to a lesser degree, Howard was in the future. I still think Stanford depends on passing much more than PSU which seems to be able to score with some really mediocre passing. Stanford needs to assert its style with PSU the way they did with Florida, and I have major doubts about that. I wasn't there so your comments are of interest. Don't know what to make of the stats. PSU had 17 more kills and out hit Stanford 243 to 237 and scored 6 more total points in the match. Stanford had 2 more blocks. The killer for PSU was 8 errors in 5h set [3 SE and 5 HE]. No one is going to win a 5th set with 8 errors. Micha had six SE's and only one ace so it doesn't sound like she put much stress on the Stanford serve receive. Whitney and Courtney were playing out of position and Washington didn't even play. Plus the match was at Stanford. Depending on your disposition one could be either dismayed or hopeful about PSU's chances Thursday based on these stats. Lots of ways to spin the numbers to prove a point. My inclination is to call it a wash and a match played early in the season that probably is irrelevant to Thursdays outcome.
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Post by jsn112 on Dec 17, 2014 3:00:29 GMT -5
Penn State Travel Day:
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Post by Phillytom on Dec 17, 2014 7:15:47 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2014 7:54:17 GMT -5
I don't agree that the floor defense was awful and, although blocking could have been better, some of that was due to Carlini (albeit a hobbled Carlini).
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Post by dorothymantooth on Dec 17, 2014 8:34:32 GMT -5
Not sure about Rose's "edge". Sound mystical to me. I realize what happened in early September doesn't really tell us much about late December matches, but I'll pass this thought on anyway: After leaving the Stanford-PSU match in September, I remember asking my friend: "How did Stanford win that thing?" Neither of us could come up with much, so I checked the stats and watched some of my recorded match later. The difference was while both teams made errors, PSU made theirs (mostly hitting errors) at critical times in the match, so I guess Stanford had the "edge". Not sure how the Thursday match will go, but I'll hit the Stanford points and leave the PSU ones to others. In early September, Boukather was just re-learning her job as the starting opposite. Burgess was struggling with Bugg's sets. Lutz was splitting time with McGehee and finding her niche on the team. Bugg's progress in setting the middles, Burgess, and Boukather, and, to a lesser degree, Howard was in the future. I still think Stanford depends on passing much more than PSU which seems to be able to score with some really mediocre passing. Stanford needs to assert its style with PSU the way they did with Florida, and I have major doubts about that. If you read what I posted, I was talking about PSU in general, and not necessarily this upcoming match. You are talking about one match, I was speaking to PSU's ability to get consistently great performances over a 7-8 year span. My point was that record wasnt a function of having a better game plan than everyone in those matches, but rather a level of competitiveness and confidence that is built in the gym everyday. A culture. That isnt mystical in any way, its a function of how they train, and who is training them. If you watched Stanford celebrate after the match ( I had no problem with it) you could see how bad they wanted to beat Penn St, and for a group who just hasnt been able to get that level of performance in big matches in recent years, their desire to win was greater than it has been for recent Stanford teams. Stanford is a great team, and I also think that this team has an "edge" to them that the recent teams haven't. I know for fact that is something Stanford has identified as lacking in past years, have talked about, and tried to address. As someone close to the PSU program, I have had an awful lot of coaches, and top coaches ask "how is he getting them to play "like that" ? I don''t think they are talking about their talent, which is of course off the charts, I think it is about how hard they play and the confidence they play with. Point being, the advantage they have had has been nurtured day to day, not in the meeting room going over video and opponent tendencies.
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Post by SportyBucky on Dec 17, 2014 8:44:25 GMT -5
Not sure about that analysis.
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Post by akbar on Dec 17, 2014 9:19:00 GMT -5
Not sure about that analysis. No, the floor defense was fine. PSU 66 digs, 1 RE, 11 Team blocks Wis 62 digs, 5 RE, 14 team blocks The big problem to me was the poor hitting selection where PSU had 1 on 1s or did not hit the seams very well which resulted in 28 HE to Wisconsin's 22. Had we been a tad bit shaper on offense the match may not have been as tight, however I will say that it seemed that Wisconsin seemed to win every big rally and they fought so hard in this area. I don't expect PSU to play like that tomorrow as I don't expect Stanford to play as perfect as they did againot Florida.
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Post by midnightblue on Dec 17, 2014 9:30:23 GMT -5
What does Rose's son do for the team? He's always with them.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Dec 17, 2014 9:38:29 GMT -5
What does Rose's son do for the team? He's always with them. He actually just completed a season as a volunteer asst at Buffalo for Reed Sunahara. In the past he has been a student-asst/ practice player etc...
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Post by SportyBucky on Dec 17, 2014 9:52:54 GMT -5
Not sure about that analysis. No, the floor defense was fine. PSU 66 digs, 1 RE, 11 Team blocks Wis 62 digs, 5 RE, 14 team blocks The big problem to me was the poor hitting selection where PSU had 1 on 1s or did not hit the seams very well which resulted in 28 HE to Wisconsin's 22. Had we been a tad bit shaper on offense the match may not have been as tight, however I will say that it seemed that Wisconsin seemed to win every big rally and they fought so hard in this area. I don't expect PSU to play like that tomorrow as I don't expect Stanford to play as perfect as they did againot Florida. Give WI blocking and floor defense credit. PSU didn't necessarily hit poorly, except for Meghan, who to be honest had a mediocre attacking year. WI does that to nearly all of its opponents, including WA. PSU's first two games against WI were an anomaly.
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Post by baywatcher on Dec 17, 2014 9:56:59 GMT -5
Some questions about "speed" of offense. Do many B1G teams attempt to run a "fast" offense, with quick, low sets to the outside, as well as middle? Mary Wise commented that Stanford ran the fastest offense Florida had seen this year. The PAC runs a number of fast offenses; the quickest, Oregon, I thought could ambush North Carolina. Nope. Stanford has been hurrying up their offense all year, leading to some matches with peculiar looking setting and criticism (sound like the National team?).
Of course, worried about Hancock and Grant (who made the big last run in the 5th last year, I believe) from the service line. That's a third of PSU's serves. If Bugg is standing on a line every time she sets speed won't matter much, and Stanford loses an OOS slugfest.
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Post by volleytology on Dec 17, 2014 10:21:13 GMT -5
In-system fast balls to the pins are hard to defend with a pure swing blocking move and to me that was a big factor in Nebraska's win over Washington and vice-versa also the reason BYU beat Nebraska by camping Hamson on the pin. If you're going to go pure swing block, you better serve tough. The way you beat Stanford is serving them out of system--as all their pin hitters are not out of system sluggers; the problem is not many teams have been able to do that. How Frantti plays and how Rose handles that position (is Lee actually better? should she start or is she a super-sub for any player that isn't getting it done ?) will also be interesting. Hard to predict this one--I'd say PSU in 5 if I had to pick.
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Post by jsn112 on Dec 17, 2014 10:23:49 GMT -5
No, the floor defense was fine. PSU 66 digs, 1 RE, 11 Team blocks Wis 62 digs, 5 RE, 14 team blocks The big problem to me was the poor hitting selection where PSU had 1 on 1s or did not hit the seams very well which resulted in 28 HE to Wisconsin's 22. Had we been a tad bit shaper on offense the match may not have been as tight, however I will say that it seemed that Wisconsin seemed to win every big rally and they fought so hard in this area. I don't expect PSU to play like that tomorrow as I don't expect Stanford to play as perfect as they did againot Florida. Give WI blocking and floor defense credit. PSU didn't necessarily hit poorly, except for Meghan, who to be honest had a mediocre attacking year. WI does that to nearly all of its opponents, including WA. PSU's first two games against WI were an anomaly. Megan didn't have a mediocre hitting the entire year. You wouldn't say that about her in the first half of the year where she was hitting on par with Frantti when she was hitting on the RS. She had about 6 or so bad hitting matches toward the end while playing on the LS. I am a believer that she is a natural RS, where she played in high school.
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Post by jsn112 on Dec 17, 2014 10:29:04 GMT -5
In-system fast balls to the pins are hard to defend with a pure swing blocking move and to me that was a big factor in Nebraska's win over Washington and vice-versa also the reason BYU beat Nebraska by camping Hamson on the pin. If you're going to go pure swing block, you better serve tough. The way you beat Stanford is serving them out of system--as all their pin hitters are not out of system sluggers; the problem is not many teams have been able to do that. How Frantti plays and how Rose handles that position (is Lee actually better? should she start or is she a super-sub for any player that isn't getting it done ?) will also be interesting. Hard to predict this one--I'd say PSU in 5 if I had to pick. Frantti is better. Rose admitted in the post interview saying that Frantti didn't look right vs. Wisconsin because she was sick and didn't really practice much before the match. Lee is good, but Frantti is better. She can hit in or out of system and doesn't require a lot steps in her approach to bang the ball. I wish she was a good blocker though. Her blocking is pretty average if you really want to knock on her.
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