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Post by dorothymantooth on Feb 6, 2015 10:03:50 GMT -5
I think Katie is the player who hits .458, .500, .429 against Colgate, Northwestern and Indiana but hits .142, .114,.042 and .128 against Creighton, PSU, Illinois and Washington. She's also the type of player who hits .294 against Texas with 21 kills, .400 against a higher-ranked Minnesota team, .341 against Wisconsin with 19 kills, .333 against Oregon with 15 kills, and .258 against PSU with 12 kills. There are other examples to prove both of our points, but keep in mind that she faced a double and triple block all season with Mary's sets. I'm not sure if Vansant (who played in a 6-2), Courtney, Frantti, or Eckerman would have done much better. I am fairly confident, Vansant, Frantti and Eckermann would have done better. I think Kadie is a very good all-around players. Those three are great attackers
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Post by #skoskers on Feb 6, 2015 10:05:25 GMT -5
She's also the type of player who hits .294 against Texas with 21 kills, .400 against a higher-ranked Minnesota team, .341 against Wisconsin with 19 kills, .333 against Oregon with 15 kills, and .258 against PSU with 12 kills. There are other examples to prove both of our points, but keep in mind that she faced a double and triple block all season with Mary's sets. I'm not sure if Vansant (who played in a 6-2), Courtney, Frantti, or Eckerman would have done much better. I am fairly confident, Vansant, Frantti and Eckermann would have done better. I think Kadie is a very good all-around players. Those three are great attackers We'll agree to disagree on that one, Dot.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Feb 6, 2015 10:11:55 GMT -5
I am fairly confident, Vansant, Frantti and Eckermann would have done better. I think Kadie is a very good all-around players. Those three are great attackers We'll agree to disagree on that one, Dot. I always respect a difference of opinion.
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Post by akbar on Feb 6, 2015 10:26:18 GMT -5
I think Katie is the player who hits .458, .500, .429 against Colgate, Northwestern and Indiana but hits .142, .114,.042 and .128 against Creighton, PSU, Illinois and Washington. She's also the type of player who hits .294 against Texas with 21 kills, .400 against a higher-ranked Minnesota team, .341 against Wisconsin with 19 kills, .333 against Oregon with 15 kills, and .258 against PSU with 12 kills. There are other examples to prove both of our points, but keep in mind that she faced a double and triple block all season Katie hit .114 , 13kills and 8 errors and then hit.000 all against PSU the two times they met this year. Facing double and triple blocks all season is a stretch big time. the numbers just keep equating to a player who just doesn't live up to what so many people are waiting for or defending. Potential ....yes.
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Post by coloradokidd on Feb 6, 2015 10:31:32 GMT -5
I look for Cici to have a breakout Senior year. If she makes herself available in some good positions to attack, I think Kelly will feed her some great sets. The same with Meghan. I think it's up to the coaching staff to better prepare NE's middles for the tendencies of opposing middles. I saw a lot of reactive/or no blocking attempts on opposing middles last season.
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Post by #skoskers on Feb 6, 2015 10:44:49 GMT -5
She's also the type of player who hits .294 against Texas with 21 kills, .400 against a higher-ranked Minnesota team, .341 against Wisconsin with 19 kills, .333 against Oregon with 15 kills, and .258 against PSU with 12 kills. There are other examples to prove both of our points, but keep in mind that she faced a double and triple block all season Facing double and triple blocks all season is a stretch big time. Then you obviously didn't follow Nebraska's matches outside of the ones against PSU, because Kadie rarely faced a single block. For a sophomore who didn't have a huge supporting cast of top talent, I think her AA award was well deserved. It’s striking how many PSU fans on here consider themselves authorities of knowledge on Nebraska volleyball and its players. Outside of Dorothy, I’m not sure if MTC, AA, akbar, bigfan, or boof know what they’re talking about when it comes to their in-conference rival. Wasn’t there a PSU 2015 thread created for you guys? If not, you guys should create one or go bother the Wisconsin faithful until next fall. LOL
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Post by coloradokidd on Feb 6, 2015 11:02:14 GMT -5
Kadie didn't always handle the pressure well of being the 'go to' player last season. She definitely wasn't Kelsey Robinson. And hopefully this year she won't have to be, especially with the arrival of Kelsey Fien. * And hopefully the coaching staff will adjust the positioning (if possible) so Kadie and Amber aren't in the backcourt at the same time!
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Post by dorothymantooth on Feb 6, 2015 11:07:33 GMT -5
She's also the type of player who hits .294 against Texas with 21 kills, .400 against a higher-ranked Minnesota team, .341 against Wisconsin with 19 kills, .333 against Oregon with 15 kills, and .258 against PSU with 12 kills. There are other examples to prove both of our points, but keep in mind that she faced a double and triple block all season Katie hit .114 , 13kills and 8 errors and then hit.000 all against PSU the two times they met this year. Facing double and triple blocks all season is a stretch big time. the numbers just keep equating to a player who just doesn't live up to what so many people are waiting for or defending. Potential ....yes. First off, not sure should could ever really live up to her hype, which says more about the hype than it does her. I agree she has yet to show she is the player she is probably capable of being. In my opinion it is more about maturity than skills. She had a great freshman year making all-big and AA. In her soph year it was VERY hard for her to have been a great attacker given the combination of subpar setting which is coupled with no other offensive threat around her. You would IMO be pretty far off-base suggesting that she was not seeing double and triple blocks consistently.
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Post by akbar on Feb 6, 2015 11:17:27 GMT -5
Kadie didn't always handle the pressure well of being the 'go to' player last season. She definitely wasn't Kelsey Robinson. I saw Nebraska play numerous times and completely agree with Coloradokid. In the most important games of the year against Washington and BYU she delivered .128 and .122. That ain't "primetime"
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Post by vup on Feb 6, 2015 11:37:30 GMT -5
Kadie didn't always handle the pressure well of being the 'go to' player last season. She definitely wasn't Kelsey Robinson. It's not fair to compare Robinson-2013 to Kadie-2014. Robo was a seasoned veteran with a reasonably good supporting cast, while Kadie-2014 was premature and had most the load on her shoulders.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Feb 6, 2015 11:46:15 GMT -5
Kadie didn't always handle the pressure well of being the 'go to' player last season. She definitely wasn't Kelsey Robinson. I saw Nebraska play numerous times and completely agree with Coloradokid. In the most important games of the year against Washington and BYU she delivered .128 and .122. That ain't "primetime" You can't argue with statistics and obviously its much harder to hit for pct when you are the set of choice and the opponent knows it. I think you make some good observations having seen them play numerous times, but it begs the question, how can you not think she was consistently double and tripled block if you saw them play? That would in my opinion be a very easy and clear observation if you were watching attentively.
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Post by vbprisoner on Feb 6, 2015 12:05:26 GMT -5
After reading from Akbar's first post down, and remembering back of the last two years I have two conclusions and don't know if one is correct, a combination of both, or neither is correct.
1. The setting was not as average or subpar as some folks have suggested, and Kadie is a very good 6 rotation player, but has been inconsistent as an attacker and had matches were she has been dominant, and some matches where she has been error prone. Last year she had to take on the role of "go to" player with the departure of Robinson and that is a lot of pressure for a sophomore on a relatively young team. She is an elite talent that has not played to her potential (has played well at top level) but still has two years to get there.
2. The setting has impacted the consistency of the entire team and opponents knew Nebraska was going Outside with majority of sets and game planned for that last year. Kadie overcame this because of her talent, but it still effected her consistency. Having a new setter this year that has the ability to distribute the ball and better location with benefit all the front row. If this is the case, Kelsey Robinson should have been NPOY two years ago because she was not only the best defensive OH in the country, but overcame all the setting issues and was still terminal from front and back row. (I do realize she probably had learned to adjust to Pollmiller from time at Tenn.)
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Post by akbar on Feb 6, 2015 12:10:54 GMT -5
I saw Nebraska play numerous times and completely agree with Coloradokid. In the most important games of the year against Washington and BYU she delivered .128 and .122. That ain't "primetime" You can't argue with statistics and obviously its much harder to hit for pct when you are the set of choice and the opponent knows it. I think you make some good observations having seen them play numerous times, but it begs the question, how can you not think she was consistently double and tripled block if you saw them play? That would in my opinion be a very easy and clear observation if you were watching attentively. Go to the Stat line of of the last 3 matches of the year. Utah, Wash and BYU. While Katie as the "go-to" player is receiving the highest amount of attempts the ratio of spreading the wealth is pretty close. Against Utah she 5 players are in the double digit attempts Fien at 50 and Katie at 44. Against Washington also 5 players in double digit attempts. K. 47, Fine at 37 and Amber at 30. Against BYU 4 players in double digit attempts K. At 41 and Amber and Fien at 27 and 28. As an OH1 you should face a few more Doubles and more oss sets but the dispersion of sets was not as much of a difference.....imo...that go-to player would normally see. If the future success is balanced on her then hopefully some growth is achieved. I wish her well.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Feb 6, 2015 12:12:01 GMT -5
I remain suspicious of Nebraska setting becoming so much better next year. Just don't see a player sitting on the bench for TWO years if she would be making that kind of a difference. Maybe she can locate the backset better, but there will be commensurate trade-offs.
Foecke may have more to do with being better than any setting change.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Feb 6, 2015 12:19:58 GMT -5
You can't argue with statistics and obviously its much harder to hit for pct when you are the set of choice and the opponent knows it. I think you make some good observations having seen them play numerous times, but it begs the question, how can you not think she was consistently double and tripled block if you saw them play? That would in my opinion be a very easy and clear observation if you were watching attentively. Go to the Stat line of of the last 3 matches of the year. Utah, Wash and BYU. While Katie as the "go-to" player is receiving the highest amount of attempts the ratio of spreading the wealth is pretty close. Against Utah she 5 players are in the double digit attempts Fien at 50 and Katie at 44. Against Washington also 5 players in double digit attempts. K. 47, Fine at 37 and Amber at 30. Against BYU 4 players in double digit attempts K. At 41 and Amber and Fien at 27 and 28. As an OH1 you should face a few more Doubles and more oss sets but the dispersion of sets was not as much of a difference.....imo...that go-to player would normally see. If the future success is balanced on her then hopefully some growth is achieved. I wish her well. I think youre assertion that she is seeing a "few more doubles" is a pretty significant understatement. I think we are in total agreement about her as a player, I just think we are in total disagreement regarding the number of times teams are just releasing blockers to her. No worries.
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