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Post by dorothymantooth on Dec 15, 2014 9:58:14 GMT -5
Plz help fill in. No swing block: Penn State Texas UNC Swing block: Florida Stanford. Swing blocking in my opinion has too many flaws. A disciplined traditional blocking system is more effective and creates more positive touches. Thank you for bringing up a topic that has never been discussed here before. Where have you been all these years? We could have used your wealth of knowledge. A disciplined swing blocking system is more effective and creates more positive touches and stuff blocks. If you don't like it, don't use it. However, the rest of us will continue to use it and win state championships, national championships, and gold medals. If it is so bad, why do so many teams at the highest level use it? Are they stupid or something? Definitely creates more stuff blocks, and while I havent seen a statistic in which it creates more positive touches, I would be inclined to believe it does create more negative touches (more complex move, requires more timing) I would also say it is a little harder to play back court defense with swing blockers, as they arent really getting set up in a way that allows the backcourt to be more disciplined. I believe it is a great blocking system, if there is anything I dont like about it, is that you have to commit way more practice time to it, to do it well.
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Post by volleyhead on Dec 15, 2014 10:12:57 GMT -5
Texas mixes their blocking schemes between swing blocking and not swing blocking. Sometimes the middles will swing block and the end blockers do not. I think it is when they think they have enough time to do the swing block move they do. This argument on swing blocking was debated for about 30 pages a couple years ago. Can we just agree that successful teams us different systems. It is all about what the head coach is more comfortable teaching and coaching.
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Post by itsallrelative on Dec 15, 2014 10:19:55 GMT -5
]Thank you for bringing up a topic that has never been discussed here before. Where have you been all these years? We could have used your wealth of knowledge. A disciplined swing blocking system is more effective and creates more positive touches and stuff blocks. If you don't like it, don't use it. However, the rest of us will continue to use it and win state championships, national championships, and gold medals. If it is so bad, why do so many teams at the highest level use it? Are they stupid or something? I don't tend to teach Swing blocking, but because it doesn't have it benefits, but because of the really, really large amount of time it takes to train. usually, I need to teach ball control, etc. more.
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Post by InTheKnow on Dec 15, 2014 10:19:58 GMT -5
Plz help fill in. No swing block: Penn State Texas UNC Swing block: Florida Stanford. Swing blocking in my opinion has too many flaws. A disciplined traditional blocking system is more effective and creates more positive touches. Thank you for bringing up a topic that has never been discussed here before. Where have you been all these years? We could have used your wealth of knowledge. A disciplined swing blocking system is more effective and creates more positive touches and stuff blocks. If you don't like it, don't use it. However, the rest of us will continue to use it and win state championships, national championships, and gold medals. If it is so bad, why do so many teams at the highest level use it? Are they stupid or something? [ Really??!!?? That's what this site does. Talk about %*$#. Over and over. Anyway, remember when so many of you blind cool aid drinkers did all that Toshi technique bullcrap?! Pass and do deep knee bends and such? Just because the national team tries crap doesn't mean it isn't crap. Although to clarify I don't think swing blocking is crap. It's just not the most effecient, effective system. It creates more negative touches and leaves too much court open, especially down the line for good hitters to take advantage of in a quick tempo pin set. Watch Burgess destroy Florida with her quick set to the pin and tooling the hell out of the late swing block. Anyway, been knowing this for a long time and my teams have taken advantage of it for years. Just wanted to throw some knowledge to the cool aid drinkers and watch the madness:))
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Post by oldman on Dec 15, 2014 10:29:13 GMT -5
Thank you for bringing up a topic that has never been discussed here before. Where have you been all these years? We could have used your wealth of knowledge. A disciplined swing blocking system is more effective and creates more positive touches and stuff blocks. If you don't like it, don't use it. However, the rest of us will continue to use it and win state championships, national championships, and gold medals. If it is so bad, why do so many teams at the highest level use it? Are they stupid or something? [ Really??!!?? That's what this site does. Talk about %*$#. Over and over. Anyway, remember when so many of you blind cool aid drinkers did all that Toshi technique bullcrap?! Pass and do deep knee bends and such? Just because the national team tries crap doesn't mean it isn't crap. Although to clarify I don't think swing blocking is crap. It's just not the most effecient, effective system. It creates more negative touches and leaves too much court open, especially down the line for good hitters to take advantage of in a quick tempo pin set. Watch Burgess destroy Florida with her quick set to the pin and tooling the hell out of the late swing block. Anyway, been knowing this for a long time and my teams have taken advantage of it for years. Just wanted to throw some knowledge to the cool aid drinkers and watch the madness:)) I personally like swing blocking because it lets athletes be athletic and tells them you believe they can make a great play. There are times we tell our athletes move to the pin and don't swing block and really we are telling them subconsciously and we are thinking as coaches is "you aren't as athletic as I thought you were so go out there and stand, jump and take up some space so my libero can dig a freaking ball."
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Post by InTheKnow on Dec 15, 2014 10:49:12 GMT -5
I can care less about systems or fads. I coach by principle's. Is it repeatable, efficient, effective and fundamentally sound for your team. If it is then I'm good.
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Post by oldman on Dec 15, 2014 14:37:16 GMT -5
Stanford Block Looks pretty good to me.
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Post by InTheKnow on Dec 15, 2014 14:40:09 GMT -5
Inky is a stud.
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Post by wonderwarthog79 on Dec 15, 2014 14:46:18 GMT -5
Thank you for bringing up a topic that has never been discussed here before. Where have you been all these years? We could have used your wealth of knowledge. A disciplined swing blocking system is more effective and creates more positive touches and stuff blocks. If you don't like it, don't use it. However, the rest of us will continue to use it and win state championships, national championships, and gold medals. If it is so bad, why do so many teams at the highest level use it? Are they stupid or something? [ Really??!!?? That's what this site does. Talk about %*$#. Over and over. Anyway, remember when so many of you blind cool aid drinkers did all that Toshi technique bullcrap?! Pass and do deep knee bends and such? Just because the national team tries crap doesn't mean it isn't crap. Although to clarify I don't think swing blocking is crap. It's just not the most effecient, effective system. It creates more negative touches and leaves too much court open, especially down the line for good hitters to take advantage of in a quick tempo pin set. Watch Burgess destroy Florida with her quick set to the pin and tooling the hell out of the late swing block. Anyway, been knowing this for a long time and my teams have taken advantage of it for years. Just wanted to throw some knowledge to the cool aid drinkers and watch the madness:)) New rule: If you're going to insult people on this site, you must use the correct terms. It's "Kool Aid", not "cool aid". "Cool aid" is what you need to deal with your misguided rage. However, you do seem to be an expert on crap.
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Post by wonderwarthog79 on Dec 15, 2014 14:50:19 GMT -5
Stanford Block Looks pretty good to me. That's not fair. This block by Inky was one of the best I have ever seen from a woman. New players should be required to watch it over and over. Of course, it helps to be 6'3" and jump like a friggin antelope.
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Post by oldman on Dec 15, 2014 15:16:28 GMT -5
Stanford Block Looks pretty good to me. That's not fair. This block by Inky was one of the best I have ever seen from a woman. New players should be required to watch it over and over. Of course, it helps to be 6'3" and jump like a friggin antelope. Life is not fair.
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Post by joetrinsey on Dec 15, 2014 16:04:33 GMT -5
]Thank you for bringing up a topic that has never been discussed here before. Where have you been all these years? We could have used your wealth of knowledge. A disciplined swing blocking system is more effective and creates more positive touches and stuff blocks. If you don't like it, don't use it. However, the rest of us will continue to use it and win state championships, national championships, and gold medals. If it is so bad, why do so many teams at the highest level use it? Are they stupid or something? I don't tend to teach Swing blocking, but because it doesn't have it benefits, but because of the really, really large amount of time it takes to train. usually, I need to teach ball control, etc. more. I think you (and dorothymantooth) hit the nail on the head. In fact, when instructing at GMS clinics (should I refer to them as "Kool Aid Dispensary events?") this is exactly what I (and other coaches) have said: swing blocking is probably a critical part of high-level blocking (or else, why would almost every good international team incorporate it as part of their system?), but it takes significantly more time to train, time that youth coaches may or may not have. In fact, time that college coaches may not even have, depending on the player. If you're focusing on swing blocking but your team can't serve or pass, you're doing it wrong. Most of the best international blockers (especially the middles) are taking swing moves, when appropriate. But a few (Diouf, Ting) are pretty static. So clearly there's some different ways to do things.
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Post by InTheKnow on Dec 15, 2014 16:05:17 GMT -5
[ Really??!!?? That's what this site does. Talk about %*$#. Over and over. Anyway, remember when so many of you blind cool aid drinkers did all that Toshi technique bullcrap?! Pass and do deep knee bends and such? Just because the national team tries crap doesn't mean it isn't crap. Although to clarify I don't think swing blocking is crap. It's just not the most effecient, effective system. It creates more negative touches and leaves too much court open, especially down the line for good hitters to take advantage of in a quick tempo pin set. Watch Burgess destroy Florida with her quick set to the pin and tooling the hell out of the late swing block. Anyway, been knowing this for a long time and my teams have taken advantage of it for years. Just wanted to throw some knowledge to the cool aid drinkers and watch the madness:)) New rule: If you're going to insult people on this site, you must use the correct terms. It's "Kool Aid", not "cool aid". "Cool aid" is what you need to deal with your misguided rage. However, you do seem to be an expert on crap. Oh crap, Kool not cool. Doing 25 push-ups now. Idiot! (to self).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2014 16:06:55 GMT -5
I can care less about systems or fads. I coach by principle's. Is it repeatable, efficient, effective and fundamentally sound for your team. If it is then I'm good. Swing blocking is all of those things when trained properly.
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Post by Vballin on Dec 19, 2014 0:50:18 GMT -5
Saw a lot of swing blocking in the semi finals tonight. Just saying.
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