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Post by sinjin on Dec 26, 2014 12:43:02 GMT -5
Interesting you mention that coaches were paid to demo during the convention. It started as they were pulling people out of the crowd and most of us were young assistants (Ruth L was still a beast). We were kind of a regular thing for a few years and we asked about getting some kind of discount but was shot down. I was one of them from probably 98-04 but it was strictly volunteer. Didnt even get a t-shirt. I didnt much care as I was happy to do it. It did make the demos better to have solid players who could execute the drills as you mentioned.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2014 12:59:07 GMT -5
If I was to ever do an on court demo, I would ask people I knew to be in attendance to help me demo, and buy them an adult beverage for their trouble. From my past attendance Tampa, Louisville, Omaha, Kansas City had decent demo people because club ball is strong, as are the coaches available to help. Outside of Micha Hancock is OKC a hotbed for volleyball? I'm not surprised that this was the case in OKC. Maybe they can borrow kids from the HS AA game or the NCAA AA that aren't in the Final 4, just a thought. I'm sure Kathy DeBoer could get an exemption from the NCAA.
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Post by Phaedrus on Dec 26, 2014 13:54:19 GMT -5
I remember Ruth doing demos for Mary Jo Peppler's presentation in Dallas. And yes, she still crushed the ball. I know that for a couple of years at least they asked for and got plenty of volunteers and they got their registration paid for, depending on the number of hours worked. One guy said he was on the sand court for almost all of the sessions this year.
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Post by Mocha on Dec 26, 2014 16:18:49 GMT -5
If I was to ever do an on court demo, I would ask people I knew to be in attendance to help me demo, and buy them an adult beverage for their trouble. From my past attendance Tampa, Louisville, Omaha, Kansas City had decent demo people because club ball is strong, as are the coaches available to help. Outside of Micha Hancock is OKC a hotbed for volleyball? I'm not surprised that this was the case in OKC. Maybe they can borrow kids from the HS AA game or the NCAA AA that aren't in the Final 4, just a thought. I'm sure Kathy DeBoer could get an exemption from the NCAA. At last year's convention Karch had a Washington State player who grew up in the Seattle area helping out in his demo, so I'm sure they are allowed to participate. I think she may even have been wearing her school uniform.
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Post by outwest1 on Dec 29, 2014 18:28:26 GMT -5
Seems they made a commitment to have some coaches of men's teams present. BYU, Irvine, UCLA, etc. How did these presentations compare with the other ones ? Anything different or of interest ? The pre-convention was the BYU coach ? How was the pre convention session ? What have been the best pre-convention seminars over the years?
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Post by Phaedrus on Dec 29, 2014 20:19:40 GMT -5
The Spring convention is the one that focuses on the men's game since it is co-located with the men's final four. The convention is much more streamlined and the attendess are also much more cohesive as a group. There seems to be less walls erected and all the coaches seem to mingle better, more in the vein of: we are in this together. I was hoping that having the men's coaches present at the winter convention would help in that regard. At this point I think it is best to say that it is inconclusive.
The best pre-convention seminars, IMHO, were the one on setting with Lindsay Berg, Lloy Ball, and Arnie Ball. Not only was it hilarious watching the father-son tandem interact and cut up, it was great to hear from Berg and Ball about how they prepare and what they see on the court. It was particularly great to hear about how they problem solve, technically, tactically and personally with their team mates. The next best one was the one with Shelton Collier and Mike Hebert. It was the first sign of what was to come from the two of them and how far behind the curtains they were willing to let us into their formerly closely guarded domains.
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Post by Wolfgang on Dec 29, 2014 20:59:40 GMT -5
I need more info from the convention. Can't get enough.
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Post by Phaedrus on Dec 29, 2014 21:08:44 GMT -5
Since I'm on anyways, here are some of the other sessions I attended. John Kessel's session on essentially all the goodies he had accumulated on his hard drive. The man collects all things volleyball, videos, pictures, ideas etc. Not all of them are gems, but there are certainly some incredible material there. All interesting, all volleyball related. if you're no careful, you might even learn something from his talks. I believe that John has created a CD of all the material that he has presented in his two talks and they are available for the asking from John at the USAV. Cecile Reynaud's presentation on playing defense. I can listen to this woman talk all day long. Her droll sense of humor and sarcastic outlook on life is a real breath of fresh air. the fact that she is a fountain of knowledge on volleyball makes it even better. Some of the material she presented was rehashed before, but the anecdotes accompanying the volleyball lessons are hilarious, and helps me remember the admonitions. Whereas listening to Al Scates is like listening to Rat Packers hanging out at the bar, listening to Cecile is like listening to a kind but sometimes edgy comedienne at her best. The session presented by Brian Swenty of Vilseck HS and Dan Mickles of York College and Yorketown Volleyball Club on technology use in volleyball. I happen to know these two guys and they are technology and volleyball geeks. Where Brian comes from the application side Dan is more from the technology side. They went through a huge shocking list of hardware, software, radar guns, electronic score boards, iOS and Android apps, and video cameras. They did not just recite the performance specs from the manufacturer, they have tested these products personally and they can help you choose the best option as well as talk you through setting up and running the equipment in real time. The session was a cornucopia of products, real experience exchange, and real life volleyball related tips. What started out as just a couple of guys sharing information has turned into a web site and a CNET type of review site. The site is: www.volleyballtech.com/
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Post by Wolfgang on Dec 30, 2014 3:53:52 GMT -5
I don't usually associate Frank, Dino, Sammy, and Joey with Al scates.
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Post by bkedane on Dec 30, 2014 10:41:07 GMT -5
If he's really recommending *Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus* then his psychology insight probably isn't especially deep. Take it up with him, he did some graduate level course work and trained as a counselor in psychology when he was at University of Pittsburgh. I know him and his background. I also know what professionals think of the sort of work Shelton thinks is insightful.
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Post by Phaedrus on Dec 30, 2014 10:47:50 GMT -5
Take it up with him, he did some graduate level course work and trained as a counselor in psychology when he was at University of Pittsburgh. I know him and his background. I also know what professionals think of the sort of work Shelton thinks is insightful. Professionals also failed to predict 9/11, thought there was no such thing as Black Swans, started all kinds of wars throughout history for all the wrong reasons. I am not a big fan of pop psychology myself but if you're really pissed off about the reference, and since you say you know him, take it up with him.
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Post by bkedane on Jan 1, 2015 17:27:39 GMT -5
I know him and his background. I also know what professionals think of the sort of work Shelton thinks is insightful. Professionals also failed to predict 9/11, thought there was no such thing as Black Swans, started all kinds of wars throughout history for all the wrong reasons. I am not a big fan of pop psychology myself but if you're really pissed off about the reference, and since you say you know him, take it up with him. I didn't say I was angry about the reference or anything else. I simply doubt that one who thinks that sort of work is psychologically insightful has much to offer about psychology.
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Post by trollhunter on Jan 1, 2015 19:18:48 GMT -5
Professionals also failed to predict 9/11, thought there was no such thing as Black Swans, started all kinds of wars throughout history for all the wrong reasons. I am not a big fan of pop psychology myself but if you're really pissed off about the reference, and since you say you know him, take it up with him. I didn't say I was angry about the reference or anything else. I simply doubt that one who thinks that sort of work is psychologically insightful has much to offer about psychology. I'm going to take Shelton's recommendation for volleyball team dynamic reading material over any psycologist or any anonynous VT poster everytime.
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Post by Phaedrus on Jan 1, 2015 20:53:13 GMT -5
Mars and Venus was 1% of the presentation, and the primary reference was that males need to listen more and fight the urge to immediately jump in to solve a problem ( Mr Fix It syndrome), as opposed to simply listening and getting a feel for the emotions that are being expressed. This can be a skill that if enhanced can help male coaches relate better with female athletes or female assistant coaches. It is tough to argue that this would not be helpful for some male coaches to be aware of in their communication.
In addition, the entire book was not endorsed, but there was a reference to some of the redeeming points in some sections of the book having to do with male- female communication.
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Post by rogero1 on Jan 1, 2015 21:05:33 GMT -5
The Spring convention is the one that focuses on the men's game since it is co-located with the men's final four. The convention is much more streamlined and the attendess are also much more cohesive as a group. There seems to be less walls erected and all the coaches seem to mingle better, more in the vein of: we are in this together. I was hoping that having the men's coaches present at the winter convention would help in that regard. At this point I think it is best to say that it is inconclusive. The Spring Conference is a much smaller affair (much like the earlier years of the AVCA Winter Conference). It was definitely easier to talk to the presenters as nearly all were open about the topic they were presenting (unlike the women's coaches who are more protective about their "secrets"). It is hard for most women's coaches to accept the men's coaches viewpoint that they are all in this together as most of them are protective of their ways of doing things.
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