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Post by badgerbreath on Dec 18, 2014 14:04:11 GMT -5
Well, I can disagree with you. I can also understand people who think PSU is capable of playing at a higher level than UW, or would win a rematch at College Park (which are the two things I think they mean when they are saying better). I personally don't agree with them, but I don't think either of us is being delusional.
The main thing I want you guys to do is drop this line of argument in this thread. There are other threads where this has been argued ad nauseum. Go there and lets focus on the players.
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Post by Wiswell on Dec 18, 2014 14:11:56 GMT -5
Badgerbreath, tiny correction: College Park is Maryland, University Park is Penn State.
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Post by southie on Dec 18, 2014 14:16:17 GMT -5
Texas lost at home to Oklahoma, who didn't make it out of the first round. Texas lost at home to Florida (Elite 8) Texas beat Kansas (lost in first round) Texas beat ISU (lost in second round to...Illinois) Texas beat Kansas State (lost in first round) Texas beat Colorado State 3-0. (Sweet Sixteen) Wisconsin lost to PSU x2; PSU is now in the final four. Wisconsin lost to Washington, Sweet 16 Wisconsin beat #10 Illinois x 2 (Sweet 16); Michigan St (2nd round); #11 Nebraska (Elite 8); #12 OSU x 3 (Sweet Sixteen). Wisconsin beat Colorado State 3-0. (Sweet Sixteen) Wisconsin beat USC (2nd round) Who did Texas beat outside of the Elite 8 again that Wisconsin didn't also beat? FYI, PSU > NC, so don't bother with the Tarheels argument. You were saying? Badgerbreath, tiny correction: College Park is Maryland, University Park is Penn State. Why did you omit Texas' victory over Elite 8 Florida in September in Gainesville? As we look back, Wisconsin was 1-2 against eventual Elite 8 teams. Texas was 3-1. You can continue looking at teams outside of the Elite 8 if it makes you feel better . . .
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Post by badgerbreath on Dec 18, 2014 14:16:32 GMT -5
I always get that mixed up. I meant State College.
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Post by vbprisoner on Dec 18, 2014 14:16:40 GMT -5
1. Texas is not a fraud, but does not currently have the conference schedule to test them much, but they do schedule a good OOC schedule to help. They are a top team and have proven that advancing to FF.
2. Wisconsin is The B1G Champ, and had an unfortunate injury that reduced their chances of winning in the Regional Finals. They are still a top team and deserve that recognition!
Now lets get back on topic to this thread about All Americans.
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Post by Wiswell on Dec 18, 2014 14:20:22 GMT -5
I like how you skip over how the Big 12, Texas's main body of work, flamed out in the first second round, whereas the Big 10, Wisconsin's main body of work, went further, and has a member in the Final Four.
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Post by utexrulz23 on Dec 18, 2014 14:20:41 GMT -5
Just to clarify since many seem to be confused: All student-athletes who were chosen to the AVCA's All-Region teams and were not selected to one of the AVCA's three All-America teams are automatically Honorable Mention All-Americans. Yes. Plus, if the school of an All-Region Honorable Mention player submits video to the committee, they can also be added to the AA Honorable Mention list, as long as the committee unanimously agrees. Has this happened for many players lately?
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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 18, 2014 14:40:35 GMT -5
Yes. Plus, if the school of an All-Region Honorable Mention player submits video to the committee, they can also be added to the AA Honorable Mention list, as long as the committee unanimously agrees. Has this happened for many players lately? I have no idea. You could look at this year's list and compare it against the All-Region teams and see.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Dec 18, 2014 14:42:31 GMT -5
Yes. Plus, if the school of an All-Region Honorable Mention player submits video to the committee, they can also be added to the AA Honorable Mention list, as long as the committee unanimously agrees. Has this happened for many players lately? Jordan burgess last year
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Post by southie on Dec 18, 2014 14:42:56 GMT -5
I like how you skip over how the Big 12, Texas's main body of work, flamed out in the first second round, whereas the Big 10, Wisconsin's main body of work, went further, and has a member in the Final Four. And, where did Wisconsin's "body of work" get them? If you want to live vicariously through PSU's success, go right ahead. #weaksauce
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Post by elevationvb on Dec 18, 2014 15:00:22 GMT -5
I like how you skip over how the Big 12, Texas's main body of work, flamed out in the first second round, whereas the Big 10, Wisconsin's main body of work, went further, and has a member in the Final Four. Conference smack - - the final resort of fans whose teams have fallen by the wayside.
Or as A&M brags, SEC! SEC! SEC!
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Post by dorothymantooth on Dec 18, 2014 15:12:01 GMT -5
You have done absolutely everything except answer the simple question posed (three times now) You have also posted, UW's losses, Washington's losses, but somehow have left out Texas losses. I will ask for a 4th time, what do you believe Texas record would have been had they played at Washington in week 2, PSU in Austin week 4, and PSU neutral last week? What does it matter? Why limit ourselves to those specific weeks during the season, just because Wisconsin lost those specific nights? The best comparison is Texas @ Nebraska, and PSU @ Nebraska. The results speak for themselves. And, you have done everything but admit that Wisconsin is B1G champion on paper only, and had only one win over an elite 8 team. Classic. Your silence in the matter of how you feel Texas would do is deafening. Why would I admit that Wisconsin is only Big Ten Champion on paper? They are the Big Ten Champions in the only way that matters. I have also expressed several times that if the league played all teams home and away Wisconisn IMO would have tied at best for the title. I think that speaks quite clealy about what I think on the matter. You said they couldnt win "big games" I pointed out that those were exceptionally big games and as big or bigger as any team could have. As a point of comparison (you and Badger fans are comparing) I asked quite simply (4 times) how in your opinion would Texas do? If it helps I will make it optional choice. A. 3-0 B. 2-1 C. 1-2 D. 0-3
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Post by southie on Dec 18, 2014 15:23:12 GMT -5
What does it matter? Why limit ourselves to those specific weeks during the season, just because Wisconsin lost those specific nights? The best comparison is Texas @ Nebraska, and PSU @ Nebraska. The results speak for themselves. And, you have done everything but admit that Wisconsin is B1G champion on paper only, and had only one win over an elite 8 team. Classic. Your silence in the matter of how you feel Texas would do is deafening. Why would I admit that Wisconsin is only Big Ten Champion on paper? They are the Big Ten Champions in the only way that matters. I have also expressed several times that if the league played all teams home and away Wisconisn IMO would have tied at best for the title. I think that speaks quite clealy about what I think on the matter. You said they couldnt win "big games" I pointed out that those were exceptionally big games and as big or bigger as any team could have. As a point of comparison (you and Badger fans are comparing) I asked quite simply (4 times) how in your opinion would Texas do? If it helps I will make it optional choice. A. 3-0 B. 2-1 C. 1-2 D. 0-3 If it's that important to you . . . Texas goes 3-0. Now, you will proceed to tell me why they wouldn't. That is your agenda, correct?
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Post by dorothymantooth on Dec 18, 2014 15:36:09 GMT -5
Classic. Your silence in the matter of how you feel Texas would do is deafening. Why would I admit that Wisconsin is only Big Ten Champion on paper? They are the Big Ten Champions in the only way that matters. I have also expressed several times that if the league played all teams home and away Wisconisn IMO would have tied at best for the title. I think that speaks quite clealy about what I think on the matter. You said they couldnt win "big games" I pointed out that those were exceptionally big games and as big or bigger as any team could have. As a point of comparison (you and Badger fans are comparing) I asked quite simply (4 times) how in your opinion would Texas do? If it helps I will make it optional choice. A. 3-0 B. 2-1 C. 1-2 D. 0-3 If it's that important to you . . . Texas goes 3-0. Now, you will proceed to tell me why they wouldn't. That is your agenda, correct? I didnt have an agenda, Texas is legit although I felt they got a very lofty seed and good draw, and Wisconsin is legit and certainly had an advantageous Big schedule. You were just highly critical of 3 losses that I thought were pretty damn good losses. Personally, I dont think any team in the country goes 3-0 in those matches. Anybody
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Post by southie on Dec 18, 2014 15:38:08 GMT -5
If it's that important to you . . . Texas goes 3-0. Now, you will proceed to tell me why they wouldn't. That is your agenda, correct? I didnt have an agenda, Texas is legit although I felt they got a very lofty seed and good draw, and Wisconsin is legit and certainly had an advantageous Big schedule. You were just highly critical of 3 losses that I thought were pretty damn good losses. Personally, I dont think any team in the country goes 3-0 in those matches. Anybody So, who should have gotten that "very lofty" #2 national seed, if not Texas? Washington? As it turned out, obviously not. A team only gets credit for "good losses" in RPI/SOS. But, those were Wisconsin's e toughest matches (according to the seeds) and they couldn't win any of the three.
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