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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2014 7:26:31 GMT -5
You can sort of skirt your way around the unfocused, non-match related blathering by turning the sound down and trying to focus on the noise of the crowd and the court (or just mute), but there's no at-home workaround for missed serves. On the other hand, the TV graphics at least showed the number of sets won by each team -- unlike the Chesapeake Arena scoreboard, which has almost no information. Well, at least it has room to list all six on-court players for both teams (though by number only -- names withheld to protect, well, nothing). The arena in Seattle last year only showed five per team. I think there was a prize for naming the sixth, but I never found out where to enter.
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Post by vbman100 on Dec 20, 2014 12:31:34 GMT -5
Will the first serve of the Championship be seen on ESPN 2, or will the football game that begins 3.5 hours before first serve still be going and we'll have to go to ESPNEWS to see the first serve?
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Post by timduckforlife on Dec 20, 2014 13:49:58 GMT -5
Will the first serve of the Championship be seen on ESPN 2, or will the football game that begins 3.5 hours before first serve still be going and we'll have to go to ESPNEWS to see the first serve? More than likely 1st serve will be on ESPNEWS, sad but true. And I agree with most of what's said. I think the best broadcasts are Hawaii's, and I would add that BYU's tend to be very good as well, esp the men's. I would also agree that the in between time needs a lot more hype and build up. Let's face it, people watching volleyball were watching volleyball, they expected volleyball, probably tuned in early for some pre-match hype and build up. It would have been a great time to promote the game and get people tuning in excited about the game. Even having some replay work by Karch and Mowins about what PSU would try to do to slow down Stanford and vice versa. Instead we get something that is being rebroadcast on another channel right up until game time. This isn't just another game, its the Final Freakin Four. In terms of broadcasters, please please please less Sunderland. Sorry, but the guy is just massively negative. He goes on about a missed dink ad nauseum for 30 seconds, sometimes into the next persons serve. In basketball terms its like an announcer talking about a missed free throw and the other team takes the fastbreak down and gets a dunk but the announcer is still talking about the free throw. And yeah, we definitely need better broadcasters. We constantly seem to get a play-by-play announcer who knows little about the game, male or female. And I would agree that they seem to have the need to "fill the silence" when the action on the play is taking care of itself. And for whatever reason, volleyball announcers seem to pair a guy with a girl in pretty much every broadcast regardless of who is play-by-play and who does color. IMO, let's put the best people on the mics regardless of gender. I think more knowledgeable production crews would help too. A batters type lineup could definitely help, and not just with the people on the court but who typically subs for who going into the back row. Personally, I think the camera crews themselves do an amazing job. The only critique would be that they need better cameras on the net. I would add that some of those crazy good high speed cameras they use for golf swings could definitely help catch those touches, nets and if they had them on the side lines to catch line calls would also help. If they want to do stories about stashes or Shawn Olhmstead as a kid, can we put that in mini screen instead of missing a play? The back story is good but not at the expense of the game. Or do it before the game with maybe a half hour pre-game show. But I definitely think volleyball broadcasts are heading in the right direction. They are vastly better than what they were due to the numbers of broadcasts that are shown and the numbers are increasing.
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Post by volleytology on Dec 20, 2014 14:04:35 GMT -5
More Sunderland--he's the best in the business by a long way
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Post by FUBAR on Dec 20, 2014 14:22:24 GMT -5
Recently we watched a televised match of North Dakota or South Dakota or some team from the Dakotas and the announcers were outstanding. It was more like a radio play by play. The announcers were two young guys and they were quite professional. They obviously had done their homework as they called the players on both sides of the net by name only occasionally referring to the visiting team by number. I'll have to ask my spouse which team we were watching. That's probably Kyle Doperalski at North Dakota. He's as good as anyone calling volleyball right now, and he should be calling tonight's game. Not only does he learn the opposing players before the match, he also knows the difference between touching the net and going under the net! He can even properly identify a back row attack/block - very rare for a play-by-play person on the mainland. Hawaii fans will probably remember him going on the air with Scott Robbs on occasion a few years ago when New Mexico St was in town. He took every chance he got to learn from the best.
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Post by bc2016 on Dec 20, 2014 14:22:26 GMT -5
Broadcasts on ESPN2 and commentators are great. All we need now is instant replay.
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Post by bigfan on Dec 20, 2014 15:24:38 GMT -5
More Sunderland--he's the best in the business by a long way He is better than Kiraly or Mowins or any of the wannabe,s.
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Post by volleydude444 on Dec 20, 2014 17:45:14 GMT -5
Having an announcer SCREEECH a players name when they go up for a kill or yell UH-OHHHH when he/she thinks there's about to be a big block adds NOTHING to the broadcast. It does nothing to enhance the experience for new viewers who might know little about volleyball and it insults the intelligence of viewers who know a fair amount about the sport. Say less. Try to cram in less. Focus on the action. Add to what we can see, and explain what we can't see. Different strokes for different folks....I actually LOVE an announcer that gets excited while calling the game, I personally think it DOES enhance the match. Maybe that's the announcer in me but I love it. As long as they're not talking too much, like you said sometimes Less Is More. I actually tried watching some matches earlier this year with no sound on and found it terribly boring. I looked up the rosters online and starting calling the match myself just for my own amusement. This team is good but as you say Tom they could be better. One ball went off a player's head and Heather barely acknowledged it. What??? C'mon!!! Get excited about something. Anything!!
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Post by rampageripster on Dec 20, 2014 18:01:19 GMT -5
I've always thought I'd make a good color commentator..
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Post by hammer on Dec 20, 2014 18:14:49 GMT -5
I've always thought I'd make a good color commentator.. You would make a great color commentator IMO. You would absolutely have no peers in a Ohio St. vs PSU match. I see you with a drink in one hand and a mic in another ... they might have to bleep you now and then, but that's what adds color.
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Post by rampageripster on Dec 20, 2014 18:21:46 GMT -5
I've always thought I'd make a good color commentator.. You would make a great color commentator IMO. You would absolutely have no peers in a Ohio St. vs PSU match. I see you with a drink in one hand and a mic in another ... they might have to bleep you now and then, but that's what adds color. Going into school I was debating between environmental science and broadcast journalism... I chose the former and now I teach little kids about nature instead of screaming into a mic about sports. I still get to scream about sports, just not when my boss is observing.
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Post by SuperSpike on Dec 21, 2014 3:30:24 GMT -5
You would make a great color commentator IMO. You would absolutely have no peers in a Ohio St. vs PSU match. I see you with a drink in one hand and a mic in another ... they might have to bleep you now and then, but that's what adds color. Going into school I was debating between environmental science and broadcast journalism... I chose the former and now I teach little kids about nature instead of screaming into a mic about sports. I still get to scream about sports, just not when my boss is observing. This is what is missing. Passion. Our announcing is like a tennis match. Where is the excitement? The TONE is off. Watch a BYU MVB match broadcast. The guys LOVE the sport and are so excited for it, and it makes the match feel awesome, like something to be excited about. If we could get some FF comentators who could make the game more exciting (by genuinely being excited) that would be huge. I kind of think certain late night hosts have this, like Jimmy Fallon. Just a genuine excitement and enjoyment for what they are doing. Heck, I want someone talking who is volleyball obsessed, and who love/passion for the game is just so obvious. Example: 1. Names and actions stated durring an apperant (to lay person) run of the mill play. To lay person, they just saw bump, name, set, spike name, kill. 2. In excited tone like the aforementioned BYU guys: Tough serve handled well by ___, wow Sander just jumped like 4 feet back to hit that set, haha, just toss up a ball to him!'' 3. Did you see that block!? So and so just...(insert excited explanation) Anyway, if I'm coaching and act like what we're doing is boring and unimportant, you better believe my players (students/AUDIENCE) will feel the same way.
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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 21, 2014 4:32:58 GMT -5
Heck, I want someone talking who is volleyball obsessed, and who love/passion for the game is just so obvious. Just checking, but are you meaning to imply that someone like Karch is not passionate about volleyball?
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Post by zenyada on Dec 21, 2014 5:50:26 GMT -5
Heck, I want someone talking who is volleyball obsessed, and who love/passion for the game is just so obvious. Just checking, but are you meaning to imply that someone like Karch is not passionate about volleyball? He's implying that Karch doesn't extend, or impart his passion to an audience in his analyst role, and I agree. John McEnroe, provides great game insight, tells you what's going on in a players head, and constantly is drawing-in even casual viewers of tennis through his love for game expressed through an articulate and engaging enthusiasm at critical points in a match. Karch has refined an already measured, calm delivery style for communicating as a coach, which is serving him well there. Karch is King, but for me this style doesn't translate for tv analysis. Let's be honest, there's absolutely no resemblance to the passion he was able to intill in an audience as a player, particularly on the beach. IMHO, his dual role as NTC hurts his analyst work further because it seems he is often being careful not to talk too enthusiastically about a player, perhaps because he doesn't want to fan USNT flames. The result is muted enthusiasm, and audience ennui.
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Post by badgerbreath on Dec 21, 2014 8:52:08 GMT -5
I've always thought I'd make a good color commentator.. More like a good off-color commentator. Would be so cool.
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