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Post by elevationvb on Feb 5, 2015 12:31:22 GMT -5
I do not think vbprisoner understood the SMU / Gold Trans Am with T-tops reference (perhaps I am too old or watch too much College Football) and how we are coming full circle back to the 80s but doing with the NCAA's approval. This is step one. Flying and lodging parents will be step two. 10 years from now, the big schools will have created a gap that cannot be crossed. A barrier to entry in order to compete. No, I know the background with Dickerson and the Trans Am. The NCAA giving them the death penalty is what has made them irrelevant since the early 90s in all sports. That is why they did not impose it on Miami several years ago or consider it for PSU.......it made SMU a leper and they have never been in a top conference since. We brought it up because you said SMU was so irrelevant the NCAA wouldn't follow up on any wrongdoing in their program.
Also, their football team has been to several bowl games the past years. Also, their basketball team is currently ranked, so I think they are hardly irrelevant today. The AAC may not be a Big 5 Conference (like a dozen or so other conferences), but they are a good basketball conference and improving in football.
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Post by vbprisoner on Feb 5, 2015 12:55:46 GMT -5
No, I know the background with Dickerson and the Trans Am. The NCAA giving them the death penalty is what has made them irrelevant since the early 90s in all sports. That is why they did not impose it on Miami several years ago or consider it for PSU.......it made SMU a leper and they have never been in a top conference since. We brought it up because you said SMU was so irrelevant the NCAA wouldn't follow up on any wrongdoing in their program.
Also, their football team has been to several bowl games the past years. Also, their basketball team is currently ranked, so I think they are hardly irrelevant today. The AAC may not be a Big 5 Conference (like a dozen or so other conferences), but they are a good basketball conference and improving in football.Being from Texas you know what I meant when stating irrelevant today verses where they were back in the early 80s before the death penalty. They where a power in the SWC in football, and also had a top 10 basketball team (Sundval, Koncak,etc.) for a few years before football scandal crushed athletics. Today they are irrelevant compared to pre-death penalty status, competitiveness, and conference affiliation.
Technically every school is relevant when it comes to NCAA and compliance, but I spoke in terms of power, prestige, and conference.
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Post by FOBRA on Feb 5, 2015 13:17:50 GMT -5
Question: Is there a formula to calculate or cap on what the Cost of Attendance stipend can be?
Can it go up to the pell grant limit or will it strictly be based on the CoA formula supplied for every student? Cost of attendance shortfalls seemed to range from about 2k to 5k a year at most schools. Can a school just decide to pay every student way more money than other schools if they had it?
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Post by owlsem on Feb 5, 2015 14:48:14 GMT -5
T by the good business sense of the university administrators. This part of your comment made me laugh. You mean the people that escalate budgets (and costs) of education at four times the rate of inflation? Thanks. As with any profit seeking endeavor the administrators work to maximize revenues. "If students can borrow it, the students can come" is there modus operandi. Our government has made it too easy to borrow for the exorbitant cost of education making it easy on administrators which in the end makes it hard on students. But I don't want to get off on a rant here but if you could not borrow they would have to control costs. With respect to COA it is an issue of cost control and for years they have managed to pay athletes nothing! They have done well in that regard.
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Post by vbnerd on Feb 6, 2015 9:07:39 GMT -5
Question: Is there a formula to calculate or cap on what the Cost of Attendance stipend can be? Can it go up to the pell grant limit or will it strictly be based on the CoA formula supplied for every student? Cost of attendance shortfalls seemed to range from about 2k to 5k a year at most schools. Can a school just decide to pay every student way more money than other schools if they had it? No, the financial aid office calculates COA for government required reports. I'm sure there is a little fudging possible but if a school did anything dramatic I imagine that would be fraud of some kind. BTW, Kentucky announces that they are on board for all 22 sports www.kentucky.com/2015/02/04/3677681/uk-to-award-full-cost-of-attendance.html
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Post by scruffy on Feb 6, 2015 11:21:29 GMT -5
No way NDSU's position can remain as stated. They will have to find balance in accordance with Title IX and I am sure they are in the process of doing so.
Small correction to the MVC's upcoming proposal; it is to cover M/W BB and then require COA for one other Men's sport...Baseball or Soccer and one other women's sport to be softball or volleyball. WSU has already declared to provide for all sports.
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Post by growthegame on Feb 6, 2015 12:33:56 GMT -5
How will this work for partial scholarship sports, like men's volleyball?
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Post by snatr on Feb 6, 2015 12:52:12 GMT -5
How will this work for partial scholarship sports, like men's volleyball? They'll be able to go back for a 2nd PB&J made out of the back of a van in the parking lot. So that's progress...
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Post by BoilerUp! on Feb 6, 2015 15:18:19 GMT -5
With only 12 scholarships for volleyball, I totally appreciate the athletes that walk-on. Yes, many are on academic scholarships. But, I would so donate more to see them covered with the COA, also. (Purdue athletics takes no $$ from tuition.) I hope that is an option.
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Post by innervoice on Feb 7, 2015 7:27:13 GMT -5
You will see a rise in tuition and fees for the general student population, and more than just a regular 3-5 year bump in cost at many schools. I agree this will impact the small conferences the worst, but so will TV revenues. In 10-15 years, I really cannot see having 320 Div 1 BB schools or 120 Div 1 Football schools (and maybe not 320 Div 1 VB schools either). Some school's budgets will force others out. But for now, the cost of this to the school is not that much. $1M over 24,000 students (if they do not tighten budgets elsewhere (lol), it could potentially raise tuition $40... That is not even 20% of a good football coach these days. Texas is giving $5,000, that is generous. Don't they offer stipend money also (for weekend meals and stuff)? Edit. oops, just saw Auburn at $6,000 plus $1500 to hang out in the summer (let the bidding begin - cannot wait for SMU, how much is a Trans Am with T-Tops these days?) Who says the general student is doing to pay for it? This is purely athletic.s The monies will come from boosters and donors not the general student body...athletics dept. will be on the hook, not the school.
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Post by kvball18 on Feb 7, 2015 18:09:23 GMT -5
Is the idea that most scholarship athletes are spending $2500-$6000 of their own money right now? Airfare and food, mostly?
I think the only investment we have made so far for our DD attending a private university on volleyball scholarship was buying her a dorm fridge and a TV for her suite, and the typical dorm accessories. Every administrative fee associated with applying and registering for classes was taken care of, and her books are ordered for her. She eats a lot and eats well with high quality on-campus food, and has not needed extra money for that. In preseason, she was given a food stipend that covered what she ate. The only additional thing her teammates would be spending money on would be airfare to school, but even that wouldn't be that much, unless they travel from Canada or across the country.
I can see that football and basketball players eat a ton of food multiple times a day. But does the average volleyball player actually need a COA award in the thousands? I am genuinely curious. (If mine got the extra money, it would be like getting a big birthday present of cash that she would be thrilled with - woo hoo, new clothes! - but wouldn't be necessary.)
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Post by rainbowbadger on Feb 7, 2015 18:50:17 GMT -5
Is the idea that most scholarship athletes are spending $2500-$6000 of their own money right now? Airfare and food, mostly? I think the only investment we have made so far for our DD attending a private university on volleyball scholarship was buying her a dorm fridge and a TV for her suite, and the typical dorm accessories. Every administrative fee associated with applying and registering for classes was taken care of, and her books are ordered for her. She eats a lot and eats well with high quality on-campus food, and has not needed extra money for that. In preseason, she was given a food stipend that covered what she ate. The only additional thing her teammates would be spending money on would be airfare to school, but even that wouldn't be that much, unless they travel from Canada or across the country. I can see that football and basketball players eat a ton of food multiple times a day. But does the average volleyball player actually need a COA award in the thousands? I am genuinely curious. (If mine got the extra money, it would be like getting a big birthday present of cash that she would be thrilled with - woo hoo, new clothes! - but wouldn't be necessary.) One thing an athlete friend of mine mentioned was laundry. She and most of her teammates really didn't have time to do their own and had to have it sent out, which costs more. But even laundromats are costly. Not $2k expensive, but not cheap.
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Post by n00b on Feb 10, 2015 10:10:10 GMT -5
Is the idea that most scholarship athletes are spending $2500-$6000 of their own money right now? Airfare and food, mostly? I think the only investment we have made so far for our DD attending a private university on volleyball scholarship was buying her a dorm fridge and a TV for her suite, and the typical dorm accessories. Every administrative fee associated with applying and registering for classes was taken care of, and her books are ordered for her. She eats a lot and eats well with high quality on-campus food, and has not needed extra money for that. In preseason, she was given a food stipend that covered what she ate. The only additional thing her teammates would be spending money on would be airfare to school, but even that wouldn't be that much, unless they travel from Canada or across the country. I can see that football and basketball players eat a ton of food multiple times a day. But does the average volleyball player actually need a COA award in the thousands? I am genuinely curious. (If mine got the extra money, it would be like getting a big birthday present of cash that she would be thrilled with - woo hoo, new clothes! - but wouldn't be necessary.) For 99% of athletes, it means exactly that - new clothes and a new phone.
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Post by Not Me on Feb 10, 2015 10:35:30 GMT -5
Is the idea that most scholarship athletes are spending $2500-$6000 of their own money right now? Airfare and food, mostly? I think the only investment we have made so far for our DD attending a private university on volleyball scholarship was buying her a dorm fridge and a TV for her suite, and the typical dorm accessories. Every administrative fee associated with applying and registering for classes was taken care of, and her books are ordered for her. She eats a lot and eats well with high quality on-campus food, and has not needed extra money for that. In preseason, she was given a food stipend that covered what she ate. The only additional thing her teammates would be spending money on would be airfare to school, but even that wouldn't be that much, unless they travel from Canada or across the country. I can see that football and basketball players eat a ton of food multiple times a day. But does the average volleyball player actually need a COA award in the thousands? I am genuinely curious. (If mine got the extra money, it would be like getting a big birthday present of cash that she would be thrilled with - woo hoo, new clothes! - but wouldn't be necessary.) For 99% of athletes, it means exactly that - new clothes and a new phone. And new Tattoos, it amazes me how some of these "struggling athletes' have thousands of dollars of ink on their bodies.
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Post by vbdad2013 on Feb 10, 2015 11:39:14 GMT -5
So the kid gets a new phone and I pay the tax. I am assuming the COA award is taxable.
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