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Post by bananasplit on Feb 20, 2015 14:43:07 GMT -5
Yep. Forgot a punctuation. :-)
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Post by s0uthie on Feb 20, 2015 15:14:30 GMT -5
Yep. Forgot a punctuation. :-) My thought was, "Wow, if that's what he left in, what did he edit out?"
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Post by bigfan on Feb 20, 2015 16:18:30 GMT -5
Mom and Dad are in your grill constantly letting you know exactly how horrible of a person you are. Honey Boo Boo is the next big international star and you are destroying her by having her be the team manager.
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Post by volleydude444 on Feb 26, 2015 6:23:16 GMT -5
#1 you have to pay the bills and if coaching vball is not cutting it then you have to make the move. I live in NY and coaching vball does not pay nearly enough to live on so I got out 7 years ago. Miss coaching terribly but not sorry. #2 you have to feed your SOUL. If you still have the passion for the sport then you will find some way to stay involved. Volunteer coaching at any local college or HS, I'm sure they'd love to have you. Then hopefully over time you'll get some flexibility with your job and could start running your own program.
As others have said I'm sure you can find a way to balance work with coaching over time so it is possible. That's what I did - worked some camps, volunteered at my old HS whenever I was free and now my work schedule has finally started to improve that I may be able to get back into coaching more permanently.
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Post by goodforthesport on Feb 26, 2015 8:06:55 GMT -5
Don't. Do. It. Spin your wheels in coaching I mean. I know this is my own prerogative but you asked for opinions and here it is. You will continue to work for crazy head coaches and lose jobs to under qualified females who ride the power wave all the way to shore. You will work as an assistant to those same under qualified coaches who are so insecure and busy competing with their own players and talking about the glory days of when they played, that they won't notice that it's really you who is holding the program together and finding some success in spite of yourselves. Once said coach realizes she really has no respect or authority you're the first one on the chopping block for some asinine reason. You scramble for the next opportunity to make sure your family eats and has a roof over their head and you end up at some remote Podunk school barely making ends meet. Meanwhile the program you left tanks and no one attributes that to the fact that you aren't there anymore. They are just rebuilding. You find a male head coach to work for and he's single. He obsesses over the W-L record and his moods day to day resemble a big city skyline. This is just a stepping stone til you get your own program. You take a random head coaching job. You flail around waiting for your big break. Truth is you're another 5 years out from that at best. You continue to lose great gigs to 30 u 30's with a mango. Kids come in and do a hitting approach that the Tasmanian Devil would envy, but they don't wanna be coached. They want a pat on the shoulder and to be told Penn State missed an opportunity on them. Mom and Dad are in your grill constantly letting you know exactly how horrible of a person you are. Honey Boo Boo is the next big international star and you are destroying her by having her be the team manager. She got drunk last weekend at a party and hit a parked car on the way home driving. Oops. Oh yeah your family's livelihood is based on the decision making abilities of college girls. Good luck with that. There's nothing about this post that isn't right on!!! If you are a male and have a family to support, don't even try coaching at ANY level on the girls side. t's happened to me and I have seem way too many people experience all the same issues above. The obstacles begin with the liberal feminist colleges and NCAA and end with the entitled kids and parents! It's a fun ride if you can make it through though. I suggest just not to drag a family along for the ride!
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Post by Freeman on Feb 26, 2015 9:53:13 GMT -5
Don't. Do. It. Spin your wheels in coaching I mean. I know this is my own prerogative but you asked for opinions and here it is. You will continue to work for crazy head coaches and lose jobs to under qualified females who ride the power wave all the way to shore. You will work as an assistant to those same under qualified coaches who are so insecure and busy competing with their own players and talking about the glory days of when they played, that they won't notice that it's really you who is holding the program together and finding some success in spite of yourselves. Once said coach realizes she really has no respect or authority you're the first one on the chopping block for some asinine reason. You scramble for the next opportunity to make sure your family eats and has a roof over their head and you end up at some remote Podunk school barely making ends meet. Meanwhile the program you left tanks and no one attributes that to the fact that you aren't there anymore. They are just rebuilding. You find a male head coach to work for and he's single. He obsesses over the W-L record and his moods day to day resemble a big city skyline. This is just a stepping stone til you get your own program. You take a random head coaching job. You flail around waiting for your big break. Truth is you're another 5 years out from that at best. You continue to lose great gigs to 30 u 30's with a mango. Kids come in and do a hitting approach that the Tasmanian Devil would envy, but they don't wanna be coached. They want a pat on the shoulder and to be told Penn State missed an opportunity on them. Mom and Dad are in your grill constantly letting you know exactly how horrible of a person you are. Honey Boo Boo is the next big international star and you are destroying her by having her be the team manager. She got drunk last weekend at a party and hit a parked car on the way home driving. Oops. Oh yeah your family's livelihood is based on the decision making abilities of college girls. Good luck with that. There's nothing about this post that isn't right on!!! If you are a male and have a family to support, don't even try coaching at ANY level on the girls side. t's happened to me and I have seem way too many people experience all the same issues above. The obstacles begin with the liberal feminist colleges and NCAA and end with the entitled kids and parents! It's a fun ride if you can make it through though. I suggest just not to drag a family along for the ride! Are there some accuracies in here somewhere? Yes. Do you need a good support system on both sides eventually to make it all work? Of course. But the system isn't out to get you. It is harder for males in this business, no one argues that - they just argue the degree and the reasons. If you love it enough, keep working. It could be a struggle, but that's where that support comes in. Work harder. Good things come. If you don't want to give up, don't. If you do - its already a lost cause.
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Post by coachwpassion on Feb 26, 2015 10:09:01 GMT -5
Another thought-- my spouse worked our home matches early in my career. Now they come and watch practice. Sometimes we have a dinner date in the office after practice; heat up food in the microwave. It's not ideal but these are ways your family can be involved.
Would your situation all for children to be at practice? Are the well behaved enough to help but not be a distraction? There are several high level names whose children grew up in the gym with them; some are still doing this now. Are you able to work from home 1 day a week during the heavy recruiting season? If you are gone Fri-Mon on the road then maybe Wed could be a work from home day. Allows you to do email, phone calls, and house work, not to mention hang with the little ones. If your boss has children they "should" be receptive to this discussion.
It is a work in balance. Your family has to understand this balance. If your spouse is passionate about their job then they should understand and support your passion. You can find a way, but keep in mind, flowers delivered while you are gone, dinner either in oven or in slow cooker and dropping everything when you get home goes a long way.
YOU. CAN. DO. THIS.
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Post by goodforthesport on Feb 26, 2015 14:31:15 GMT -5
There's nothing about this post that isn't right on!!! If you are a male and have a family to support, don't even try coaching at ANY level on the girls side. t's happened to me and I have seem way too many people experience all the same issues above. The obstacles begin with the liberal feminist colleges and NCAA and end with the entitled kids and parents! It's a fun ride if you can make it through though. I suggest just not to drag a family along for the ride! Are there some accuracies in here somewhere? Yes. Do you need a good support system on both sides eventually to make it all work? Of course. But the system isn't out to get you. It is harder for males in this business, no one argues that - they just argue the degree and the reasons. If you love it enough, keep working. It could be a struggle, but that's where that support comes in. Work harder. Good things come. If you don't want to give up, don't. If you do - its already a lost cause. While I agree with the support systems/drive to want to coach/shape young minds/win or whatever it is you want to accomplish.the system is stacked against men. Not an AD that values their job would admit the truth publically...women coaching women sports in order to be compliant with an outdated sexist policy (Title IX).
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Post by somethinbruin on Feb 26, 2015 18:25:52 GMT -5
Are there some accuracies in here somewhere? Yes. Do you need a good support system on both sides eventually to make it all work? Of course. But the system isn't out to get you. It is harder for males in this business, no one argues that - they just argue the degree and the reasons. If you love it enough, keep working. It could be a struggle, but that's where that support comes in. Work harder. Good things come. If you don't want to give up, don't. If you do - its already a lost cause. While I agree with the support systems/drive to want to coach/shape young minds/win or whatever it is you want to accomplish.the system is stacked against men. Not an AD that values their job would admit the truth publically...women coaching women sports in order to be compliant with an outdated sexist policy (Title IX). There is actually no part of Title IX that mandates women coaches for women's sports. You can be totally Title IX compliant and not have a single woman employed by your athletic department. In fact, prior to Title IX, women's sports were almost exclusively coached by women. The profession started to have more of a gender balance when women's sports got more money as a result of Title IX. Then the jobs became more attractive to men. Title IX is about equity in participation opportunities and (somewhat) in funding. There is no gendered personnel component. I have to say, I'm saddened by the level of misogyny in this particular branch of the conversation on a women's sports forum, particularly when the ideas being espoused in it are not backed up by fact or reality. I'm not surprised by it (heck, it figures prominently on the jobs board every year), but I'm frustrated because the idea that women have it easier on the job market is mostly perception and anecdotal "evidence" without any basis in fact or a view of the profession as a whole. Her are some facts to help get you started on the path to enlightenment from Acosta and Carpenter's study on women in intercollegiate sport, widely considered the benchmark in the field. This study has been ongoing since 1972, and these numbers are from the most recent update to this study in 2012: In 1972, 90% of women's teams were coached by women. Women head coaches are in the minority in intercollegiate athletics as a whole (42.9%) by a pretty large margin. Women make up 57% of the assistant coaches for women's sports, so they're in the majority there although their percentage has been steadily in decline in recent years. Now for women's volleyball specific numbers: --In 1972, 86.6% of WVB teams were coached by women. Today 53% of WVB teams are coached by women. This is the lowest percentage of women coaches in volleyball in the four-decade history of the study. There have literally never been fewer women head coaches in the sport. --Women only constitute 45% of the coaches at the DI level, so men are in the lead for the jobs that typically have higher profiles and pay more money. --DII is almost bang-on 50-50. Here women are 52% of head coaches and men are 48%. But this still represents a steep decline. In 1992, 72% of DII head WVB coaches were women. --Division III helps balance out the gender gap in Division I. In DIII, 60% of WVB coaches are women. These jobs tend to pay less, are more likely to be part time, etc., so in short, they are less desirable jobs. So in summary: There is a perception of bias in favor of female candidates on the job market. That perception is not borne out by facts. There are fewer women coaches in volleyball today than at any other point in the last 40 years. Your perceptions are incorrect. If you wish to read more, the full study is available here: acostacarpenter.org/AcostaCarpenter2012.pdf
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Post by bigfan on Feb 26, 2015 18:35:38 GMT -5
So in summary: There is a perception of bias in favor of female candidates on the job market. That perception is not borne out by facts. There are fewer women coaches in volleyball today than at any other point in the last 40 years. Your perceptions are incorrect. The same thing goes for womens basketball. Men follow the increased money.............women get pushed out because men do not get pregnant and have children.
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Post by jcvball22 on Feb 26, 2015 19:07:04 GMT -5
While I agree with the support systems/drive to want to coach/shape young minds/win or whatever it is you want to accomplish.the system is stacked against men. Not an AD that values their job would admit the truth publically...women coaching women sports in order to be compliant with an outdated sexist policy (Title IX). There is actually no part of Title IX that mandates women coaches for women's sports. You can be totally Title IX compliant and not have a single woman employed by your athletic department. In fact, prior to Title IX, women's sports were almost exclusively coached by women. The profession started to have more of a gender balance when women's sports got more money as a result of Title IX. Then the jobs became more attractive to men. Title IX is about equity in participation opportunities and (somewhat) in funding. There is no gendered personnel component. I have to say, I'm saddened by the level of misogyny in this particular branch of the conversation on a women's sports forum, particularly when the ideas being espoused in it are not backed up by fact or reality. I'm not surprised by it (heck, it figures prominently on the jobs board every year), but I'm frustrated because the idea that women have it easier on the job market is mostly perception and anecdotal "evidence" without any basis in fact or a view of the profession as a whole. Her are some facts to help get you started on the path to enlightenment from Acosta and Carpenter's study on women in intercollegiate sport, widely considered the benchmark in the field. This study has been ongoing since 1972, and these numbers are from the most recent update to this study in 2012: In 1972, 90% of women's teams were coached by women. Women head coaches are in the minority in intercollegiate athletics as a whole (42.9%) by a pretty large margin. Women make up 57% of the assistant coaches for women's sports, so they're in the majority there although their percentage has been steadily in decline in recent years. Now for women's volleyball specific numbers: --In 1972, 86.6% of WVB teams were coached by women. Today 53% of WVB teams are coached by women. This is the lowest percentage of women coaches in volleyball in the four-decade history of the study. There have literally never been fewer women head coaches in the sport. --Women only constitute 45% of the coaches at the DI level, so men are in the lead for the jobs that typically have higher profiles and pay more money. --DII is almost bang-on 50-50. Here women are 52% of head coaches and men are 48%. But this still represents a steep decline. In 1992, 72% of DII head WVB coaches were women. --Division III helps balance out the gender gap in Division I. In DIII, 60% of WVB coaches are women. These jobs tend to pay less, are more likely to be part time, etc., so in short, they are less desirable jobs. So in summary: There is a perception of bias in favor of female candidates on the job market. That perception is not borne out by facts. There are fewer women coaches in volleyball today than at any other point in the last 40 years. Your perceptions are incorrect. If you wish to read more, the full study is available here: acostacarpenter.org/AcostaCarpenter2012.pdf Ok, come on now. You don't expect any of these people who keep bringing up their biased, non-fact based opinions to actually do their homework, do you? Where is the fun in that?
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Post by joc on Feb 26, 2015 19:20:21 GMT -5
Good use of the words misogyny and espoused. Well played.
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Post by d3coach on Feb 26, 2015 19:50:54 GMT -5
While I certainly understand the perspective of your post, and quite frankly I agree that by and large there isn't a "huge" issue I think there are a few points to be made in contradiction.
The more money at stake, the more careers are at stake, the more an AD is going to do their due diligence and prioritize winning. So at the high D1 level, you see predominantly the best person hired. As the budgets get smaller, the philosophies begin to skew, and the hiring process begins to tilt.
I think there are a lot of unfair criticisms based on gender. But I also think there are some fair criticisms. In 14 years of being around WVB at the college level I have never heard of an AD committed to hiring a male. I know of many situations that were going to a woman regardless of what men applied. That IS a reality. I think that most people agree if it's even, going to a woman is fine, but I think sometimes AD's feel political pressure, want to make a statement on their own, follow certain personal beliefs, add female perspectives to the dept, etc... That lead them to hire women rather than men. And I think you see this trend more so when you are at the lower end of levels (lower D1, lower D2, etc...) because winning sometimes isn't the priority for an AD because they recognize they don't have certain resources, or maybe a school's overall philosophy, etc... Isn't committed to the process of winning.
With that said I'm sure there are a few AD's that only hire men, but I think it is a very rare situation.
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Post by vbismylife4 on Feb 26, 2015 20:49:11 GMT -5
coach1Wow... this subject hits close to home. Not as a coach... but as a former coach's wife. You are wise to ask yourself the questions you are asking now, and honestly please include your spouse in your soul searching process. I hope you will indulge me the opportunity to allow you to consider why it's important to include your wife and family. I dated, fell in love with, and married a college basketball coach. He was a great coach... and lucky for him I was a great coach's wife. I have the type of career that enabled me to move from town to town and find a job... hoping and praying he would find his dream job, the perfect fit. I loved his teams and realized that these young men were often far from home with no real support network other than coach, teammates and some friends made at school. Though when first married I wasn't but about 5 years older than them, I became their "mom"... and because I too was far from home, they in turn became my family. We had weekly dinners and Thanksgiving meals in our home for the guys because they/we couldn't travel home because of tournaments. I never missed a game. At times, I washed uniforms. We always ate dinner together no matter what time practice ended. I got pretty good at scouting and meeting recruits. Our social circle revolved around the sport and the school because oftentimes the only person I knew when we moved to a new place was my husband. Once we'd started a family, the decisions to move became more difficult. We both wanted stability for our family but to also pursue career goals. More than once we decided to have coach go "try on" the job for a year while I stayed home and held down the fort, so that we didn't uproot our entire lives if it wasn't a great job or a great place to raise a family. Those are huge sacrifices for everyone involved. The biggest obstacle to getting that head coaching position, was having never been a head coach. It didn't matter how good of an assistant he was... How good of a recruiter he was... How good his stats were. He(We) finally was offered and accepted a head coaching position. It wasn't his dream job but he could finally get head coach on his resume. A smallish DII school promised him the world. It was a young program and trust me way underfunded. He was afraid to take it because it was far from his network of coaches, his professional support system. He feared it could destroy his career. WE made it work... he grew the program, developed outstanding young men who otherwise might not have had much of a chance. I thought it was incredibly rewarding. And it was for him too... but after 6 years of working 16 hour days for too little money and beating his head against the wall with an ever changing administration he couldn't take it any more. And unfortunately for him, in spite of his ongoing relationships with other coaches he found that he had hit a dead end. Had he been younger and single... he no doubt would have been able to hit the road again and find happiness coaching, but he had a wife and family and quality of life in a beautiful, safe place. So after 15+ years, he left coaching. It broke his heart... and it broke mine. For the following few years he did other work, completely outside of coaching and academia. He was good at it... but it wasn't fulfilling. One of his biggest complaints as a coach had been how ill-prepared these young men were in transitioning out of high school. I encouraged him to think about coaching at the high school level. He didn't really want to do it... but I stayed on him. Eventually, he took the head coaching job at the "the closest thing we have to an inner city" high school. It was rough... but it was awesome. And these lost boys blossomed into young men under his tutelage. It wasn't his dream job... but he was making a difference and he loved it. A long term coaching career isn't for everyone or their family circumstance. That's why your decision is so difficult. I hope this helps! Best wishes
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Post by notwvb on Feb 26, 2015 21:30:57 GMT -5
^Awesome. You earned your fifth star with this.
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