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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2015 22:17:19 GMT -5
I don't know about the tireless recruiter if she/he isn't much of a coach. I could recruit people to UCI, what I couldn't do is develop their skills on the court. I'd much prefer a really good coach. A great coach at a solid California university won't have any problems attracting talent. It's not like UCI is competing with the top 20 women's volleyball programs for the same girls. The girls at UCI who could have played at a top 20 program chose UCI for reasons outside those 900 square feet.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Mar 8, 2015 23:00:17 GMT -5
I would like to see UCI hire someone who puts recruiting at the top of their priority list. You can't move up without the talent. Paula did ok at recruiting. I was hoping for more elite players. I saw her all the time at SoCal club tournaments but the time spent did not translate into top results. UCI's women's water polo team is ranked #5 in the country. Other than fewer schools participating in water polo, why is there a consensus opinion UCI WVB can't get to a level of national ranking? Tanner has name recognition and a direct connection to the club scene. I don't know if he has the personality for recruiting or if he is even looking for a college job. IVC won its first ever California community college championship this past season so it might be the time for Pestolesi to make a move. Pestolesi is known in the local area but has no national name recognition. He has been at a community college forever where there is very little recruiting involved. I don't know if he would want to put the time and effort into recruiting. Misty May was raised in Newport Beach. I don't know what she is doing now or if she any interest. Her lack of head coaching experience might rule her out although name recognition could counterbalance the lack of experience. Karch would be a good choice but he already has a job. The winning choice will likely be someone few people know much about. I would be fine with that if she/he is a tireless recruiter the likes of Mick Haley. Men's volleyball/water polo have way less competition and are still, comparatively, regional sports. Just don't think that applies to WVB. Yes, there are a lot of good prospects in the area, but there are also a lot of good volleyball programs to fight for those prospects for (on top of being the recruiting focus of pretty much every school West of the Rockies - that talent is picked over). It's also a tough sell as a destination - area doesn't have the college feel, students not really centralized on the campus, architecture is meh. The good reputation of being a UC school is a plus, but it's not so stellar to outweigh everything else, esp. if budgets/facilities/support are also at issue.
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Post by Garand on Mar 9, 2015 1:49:33 GMT -5
Hmm, lets see. Beautiful campus in a safe and affluent area, academically in the top 2 percent of the nation, California weather, mountains, deserts, Disneyland, five miles from Newport Beach (where all the volleyball players go live in apartments after their freshman dorm year), and on and on and on. Yeah, you're right. What a hellhole. How can they possibly attract players?
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Post by C on Mar 9, 2015 6:09:47 GMT -5
Hmm, lets see. Beautiful campus in a safe and affluent area, academically in the top 2 percent of the nation, California weather, mountains, deserts, Disneyland, five miles from Newport Beach (where all the volleyball players go live in apartments after their freshman dorm year), and on and on and on. Yeah, you're right. What a hellhole. How can they possibly attract players? Well.. they still haven't attracted the superior athletes they need in order to be a force.
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Post by gouci on Mar 9, 2015 6:28:00 GMT -5
Not counting Crawford Court and the Bren Center which are older buildings, but the UC Irvine main campus has some of the most diverse, state of the art facilities and best architecture of any college campus in the country. There's even a joke that U.C.I. stands for Under Construction Indefinitely because they're always erecting one or two $100+ million buildings on a yearly basis. You walk outside the Bren Center to the anteater statue and if you look diagonally across the street you'll see this view of UCI's beautiful new Humanities Gateway building.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Mar 9, 2015 8:20:28 GMT -5
Hmm, lets see. Beautiful campus in a safe and affluent area, academically in the top 2 percent of the nation, California weather, mountains, deserts, Disneyland, five miles from Newport Beach (where all the volleyball players go live in apartments after their freshman dorm year), and on and on and on. Yeah, you're right. What a hellhole. How can they possibly attract players? Yeah, most people want to move into apartments in the suburbs AFTER college, not during.
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Post by Xplaya on Mar 9, 2015 9:16:40 GMT -5
Hmm, lets see. Beautiful campus in a safe and affluent area, academically in the top 2 percent of the nation, California weather, mountains, deserts, Disneyland, five miles from Newport Beach (where all the volleyball players go live in apartments after their freshman dorm year), and on and on and on. Yeah, you're right. What a hellhole. How can they possibly attract players? Yeah, most people want to move into apartments in the suburbs AFTER college, not during. Yeah, and where do 90% of the student-athletes live during college at UCI? Newport Beach...the beach, not suburbs...not bad...
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Post by coachwpassion on Mar 9, 2015 9:47:43 GMT -5
Personally I disagree with pbcrossle3 to a certain degree. UCI needs a solid recruiter who can keep the good kids in CA, attract the best from across the country, and build a solid foundation in the U14 and U15 pipeline so that UIC is in the discussion early. The best decision the new HC then needs to make is to hire a top notch assistant who KNOWS how to COACH. Train and teach the players you bring in. It can go the other direction with HC being the coach and assistant being a top recruiter. but players always love it when the HC calls, visits, watches them.
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Post by gouci on Mar 9, 2015 10:45:02 GMT -5
Yeah, most people want to move into apartments in the suburbs AFTER college, not during. For the record Irvine is NOT a suburb! It is in a relatively new classification called a boomburb. Or Irvine also falls under the category of an "edge city."
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Mar 9, 2015 11:39:04 GMT -5
Hmm, lets see. Beautiful campus in a safe and affluent area, academically in the top 2 percent of the nation, California weather, mountains, deserts, Disneyland, five miles from Newport Beach (where all the volleyball players go live in apartments after their freshman dorm year), and on and on and on. Yeah, you're right. What a hellhole. How can they possibly attract players? That's the positive. The negative: Little student or alumni interest/support (commuter school-itis), an administration that is indifferent to intercollegiate athletics, small budget, mediocre-to-crappy training facilities, plays in only the 3rd best conference in the area. And the academics are a two-edged sword, as UCI's entrance requirements cuts down the recruiting pool. Under the current conditions, even the recruiting machine known as Mick Haley would have a tough time getting elite players to 'Eaterville.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Mar 9, 2015 11:49:34 GMT -5
Yeah, most people want to move into apartments in the suburbs AFTER college, not during. Yeah, and where do 90% of the student-athletes live during college at UCI? Newport Beach...the beach, not suburbs...not bad... But is Newport Beach really part of UCI? So when you take a student on a visit, you can pile into a car, drive for a bit and let students time their future commute to class/practice? The campus just doesn't have the same college feel as others. And if going to school on the beach is your main selling point, you're losing to UCSB and Pepperdine 100 times out of 100.
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Post by Garand on Mar 9, 2015 12:14:34 GMT -5
This discussion about the quality of life at UCI has become a waste of time. I think we can agree that it is an academically strong school with a very nice campus in a nice area. Although many people may consider a few nearby campuses like Santa Barbara, San Diego and Pepperdine even nicer, Irvine must be viewed as belonging on the upper portion of the curve. Definitely a plus for recruiting.
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Post by Garand on Mar 9, 2015 12:27:55 GMT -5
[/quote]Well.. they still haven't attracted the superior athletes they need in order to be a force. [/quote]
Some of the posters here seem to feel that anything short of a top ten finish is a failure. By any measure, Irvine is getting stronger, having posted improved numbers for two straight seasons - plus a bundle of all-conference players this last year. The 2013 class has been a success, and the next two recruiting classes promise to be very, very good. I don't expect to see Irvine taking down the likes of Penn State and Stanford anytime soon, but I'm happy to see them climb slowly and steadily up the rankings.
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Post by gouci on Mar 9, 2015 12:28:53 GMT -5
That's the positive. The negative: Little student or alumni interest/support (commuter school-itis), an administration that is indifferent to intercollegiate athletics, small budget, mediocre-to-crappy training facilities, plays in only the 3rd best conference in the area. And the academics are a two-edged sword, as UCI's entrance requirements cuts down the recruiting pool. Under the current conditions, even the recruiting machine known as Mick Haley would have a tough time getting elite players to 'Eaterville. - This is women's volleyball. Little student or alumni interest/support with less than 1,000 attendance, UCLA & USC included, is the norm and not the exception. - UCI has more student housing than any other UC campus and is no longer a commuter school. Some things have changed since your avatar last shaved decades ago geddylee. - One objective way to measure an athletic department's success is how well they do in the Learfield Sports Director's Cup. UCI is classified as Division 1AAA, having no football team. Among about 100 other schools in it's category UCI regularly finishes in the top 5 nationally having won it some years ago. - UCI's budget is competitive within it's conference. If UCI offers 11 not 12 scholarships it means 2 players will have to take a 2-2 deal, 2 years as a walk-on & 2 years on scholarship, which is pretty common for liberos. - Players choose where to go based on the school, coach, teammates etc. Those who choose to go to a school primarily because of the big conference name usually end up unhappy and transferring out. When you graduate employers don't hire you based on what conference you played for. It doesn't even say what conference you played for on your degree. Your individual experience matters what conference you play for is over rated. - UCI just constructed a new training facility. See video below. - About the only thing you got right is UCI's academics being a two-edged sword.
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Post by volleyguy on Mar 9, 2015 13:00:34 GMT -5
That's the positive. The negative: Little student or alumni interest/support (commuter school-itis), an administration that is indifferent to intercollegiate athletics, small budget, mediocre-to-crappy training facilities, plays in only the 3rd best conference in the area. And the academics are a two-edged sword, as UCI's entrance requirements cuts down the recruiting pool. Under the current conditions, even the recruiting machine known as Mick Haley would have a tough time getting elite players to 'Eaterville. - This is women's volleyball. Little student or alumni interest/support with less than 1,000 attendance, UCLA & USC included, is the norm and not the exception. - UCI has more student housing than any other UC campus and is no longer a commuter school. Some things have changed since your avatar last shaved decades ago geddylee. - One objective way to measure an athletic department's success is how well they do in the Learfield Sports Director's Cup. UCI is classified as Division 1AAA, having no football team. Among about 100 other schools in it's category UCI regularly finishes in the top 5 nationally having won it some years ago. - UCI's budget is competitive within it's conference. If UCI offers 11 not 12 scholarships it means 2 players will have to take a 2-2 deal, 2 years as a walk-on & 2 years on scholarship, which is pretty common for liberos. - Players choose where to go based on the school, coach, teammates etc. Those who choose to go to a school primarily because of the big conference name usually end up unhappy and transferring out. When you graduate employers don't hire you based on what conference you played for. It doesn't even say what conference you played for on your degree. Your individual experience matters what conference you play for is over rated. - UCI just constructed a new training facility. See video below. - About the only thing you got right is UCI's academics being a two-edged sword. If UCI competed in WVB at the level it competes in all of its other sports, it would do fine, but even then it wouldn't be competing for the Big West Championship. UCI has never won a Big West Commissioner's Cup, which ranks the performance of all teams in the conference. It consistently finishes 3rd or 4th behind Long Beach and UCSB. UCI's finishes in WVB have been consistently below 3rd or 4th, except for a brief run in the mid-2000's. That suggests to me that perhaps it's not the attractiveness of the campus to recruits, but the coaching and program administration. Of course, being a losing program never helps. UCI won't realistically challenge for the NCAA berth until Shoji and Gimmillaro retire no matter who they hire. After that, things open up considerably. As far as Crawford Hall goes, it's a dump with bleachers on one-side only, and open doors due to the lack of air conditioning, which means that the ball boys and girls have to constantly run outside to fetch errant balls. It's worse than most high school gyms.
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