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Post by gouci on Mar 9, 2015 14:05:56 GMT -5
- Who the hell cares about the Commissioner's Cup besides Long Beach St. fans? Schools like UCI that had more sports than LBS were traditionally at a disadvantage in the scoring. Plus in the past men's volleyball, women's water polo and men's water polo sports UCI was very good at played in the MPSF and didn't count towards the Cup. The Director's Cup counts all sports and awards points based only on NCAA tournament success. NCAA tournament success matters more than winning conference championships.
- Here is how UCI has done off the top of my head since 2003 when I first became a fan. I can't speak to what happened before that and I consider it old news anyway.
03-04 = NCAA appearance 04-05 = NCAA appearance 05-06 = ? 06-07 = 4th place finish 07-08 = 3rd place finish 08-09 = 2nd place finish 09-10 = 2nd place tie finish 10-11 = basement finish 11-12 = basement finish 12-13 = middle of pack finish but 14-16 record 13-14 = middle of pack finish but 19-12 record
To me UCI has had a good season 7 of the last 11 years I have followed them. Haters like to dwell on the 2 seasons UCI finished in the basement only ahead of Riverside and recall that as the norm. But since Paula finished with the Olympic team UCI is back on the upswing. UCI will contend for a NCAA berth next season even while Shoji and Gimmillaro are still active.
As far as Crawford Hall maybe UCI plays Long Beach St. there because the 49ers hate it so much. LOL
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Mar 9, 2015 14:06:17 GMT -5
From a 2014 edition of New University, UCI's campus journal: "UCI is a commuter college. There is no denying that. Just ask the parking department on campus. Unlike other colleges, a student commuting theoretically doesn’t get the full college experience that those who live on campus would have. That’s not to say that those who actually live on campus don’t make the school any less of a commuter school." That's been my experience as well. www.newuniversity.org/2014/03/opinion/recognizing-the-uci-stigma/And UCI averaged 339 per match attendance, a whopping 3 people per match out of being dead last in Big West attendance. And that lack of interest is reflected in fundraising, where the UCI athletic department struggles mightily. UCI's athletic department budget is run on a shoestring. They had to eliminate five sports a few years ago, and can't even give the women's volleyball program a full compliment of scholarships. The AD refused to add sand volleyball (a sport that is very cheap to run, particularly if scholarships aren't offered) due to budget issues. I've been in Santora, and while it's a huge improvement over the dinky old weight room, it still significantly lags behind what is considered state of the art. And it's understaffed. UCI volleyball isn't a terrible job for a head coach, but it's not a great job either. Nobody has been able to build a consistent winner to date, and much of that can be attributed to lack of program interest/support over the decades. That's not to say it can't be done, but it's going to take someone with (to paraphrase Liam Neeson in Taken) "a very particular set of skills."
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Post by volleyguy on Mar 9, 2015 14:23:54 GMT -5
- Who the hell cares about the Commissioner's Cup besides Long Beach St. fans? Schools like UCI that had more sports than LBS were traditionally at a disadvantage in the scoring. Plus in the past men's volleyball, women's water polo and men's water polo sports UCI was very good at played in the MPSF and didn't count towards the Cup. The Director's Cup counts all sports and awards points based only on NCAA tournament success. NCAA tournament success matters more than winning conference championships. - Here is how UCI has done off the top of my head since 2003 when I first became a fan. I can't speak to what happened before that and I consider it old news anyway. 03-04 = NCAA appearance 04-05 = NCAA appearance 05-06 = ? 06-07 = 4th place finish 07-08 = 3rd place finish 08-09 = 2nd place finish 09-10 = 2nd place tie finish 10-11 = basement finish 11-12 = basement finish 12-13 = middle of pack finish but 14-16 record 13-14 = middle of pack finish but 19-12 record To me UCI has had a good season 7 of the last 11 years I have followed them. Haters like to dwell on the 2 seasons UCI finished in the basement only ahead of Riverside and recall that as the norm. But since Paula finished with the Olympic team UCI is back on the upswing. UCI will contend for a NCAA berth next season even while Shoji and Gimmillaro are still active. As far as Crawford Hall maybe UCI plays Long Beach St. there because the 49ers hate it so much. LOL The Commissioner's Cup doesn't count NCAA finishes. It simply measures Conference finishes, and it's pro rated for the number of sponsored sports. (And of course, the Big West schools that competed in water polo and men's volleyball also played in the MPSF, so your point makes no sense.) The Director's Cup is a national measure and it does count NCAA finishes--I wasn't referring to that at all. The point is that WVB at UCI is underperforming, relative to its other sports or by any other measure, including a dumpy gym.
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Post by C on Mar 9, 2015 15:25:56 GMT -5
Well.. they still haven't attracted the superior athletes they need in order to be a force. [/quote] Some of the posters here seem to feel that anything short of a top ten finish is a failure. By any measure, Irvine is getting stronger, having posted improved numbers for two straight seasons - plus a bundle of all-conference players this last year. The 2013 class has been a success, and the next two recruiting classes promise to be very, very good. I don't expect to see Irvine taking down the likes of Penn State and Stanford anytime soon, but I'm happy to see them climb slowly and steadily up the rankings.[/quote] I don't think anyone here is expecting UCI to be in the top 10 anytime soon, but it would be nice if they cracked at least Top 25. Then you could say that they've been doing a good job.
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Post by gouci on Mar 9, 2015 15:46:34 GMT -5
From a 2014 edition of New University, UCI's campus journal: "UCI is a commuter college. There is no denying that. Just ask the parking department on campus. Unlike other colleges, a student commuting theoretically doesn’t get the full college experience that those who live on campus would have. That’s not to say that those who actually live on campus don’t make the school any less of a commuter school." That's been my experience as well. www.newuniversity.org/2014/03/opinion/recognizing-the-uci-stigma/And UCI averaged 339 per match attendance, a whopping 3 people per match out of being dead last in Big West attendance. And that lack of interest is reflected in fundraising, where the UCI athletic department struggles mightily. UCI's athletic department budget is run on a shoestring. They had to eliminate five sports a few years ago, and can't even give the women's volleyball program a full compliment of scholarships. The AD refused to add sand volleyball (a sport that is very cheap to run, particularly if scholarships aren't offered) due to budget issues. I've been in Santora, and while it's a huge improvement over the dinky old weight room, it still significantly lags behind what is considered state of the art. And it's understaffed. UCI volleyball isn't a terrible job for a head coach, but it's not a great job either. Nobody has been able to build a consistent winner to date, and much of that can be attributed to lack of program interest/support over the decades. That's not to say it can't be done, but it's going to take someone with (to paraphrase Liam Neeson in Taken) "a very particular set of skills." - I can find students giving bad reviews of any college in the country. I'll let you in a big secret. About one third of all freshmen that enroll in UCI will end up flunking out and not graduating. They don't like to advertise this. Those with bad grades are usually where the bad reviews come from. To be honest most students don't know how good or bad they have it while in college because they don't have anything else to compare it to. Realizing how good or bad you have it comes with age, more experience and reflection. Why an alumni may have a better perspective of this than a current student. - Non-revenue sports has never been about the attendance. I'm a tennis fan where they play in front of 50 people. The only attendees players care about are their family and friends. Women's volleyball as a whole lacks interest period. Trying to rate the varying degrees of disinterest is irrelevant. - I supported UCI cutting sports like crew, sailing and swimming and making them into club sports. That leaves more funding for the sports UCI is good in. I don't mind UCI not having sand volleyball. If the Big West ever sponsors sand volleyball than UCI will add it. If you like to refer to UCI's budget as shoestring than all the schools outside the Power 5 football conferences have shoestring budgets as well. - If you've been to Santora and call it crappy training facilities like you posted than congrats on your bourgeois life.
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Post by bigfan on Mar 9, 2015 16:23:56 GMT -5
Hmm, lets see. Beautiful campus in a safe and affluent area, academically in the top 2 percent of the nation, California weather, mountains, deserts, Disneyland, five miles from Newport Beach (where all the volleyball players go live in apartments after their freshman dorm year), and on and on and on. Yeah, you're right. What a hellhole. How can they possibly attract players? UCI does not have a college atmosphere and IRvine is not a college town. UCI feels like a commuter school.
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Post by SmokeDogg on Mar 9, 2015 16:26:20 GMT -5
Crawford Hall is the best place to watch volleyball in the Big West, the Bren Center one of the worst.
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Post by bigfan on Mar 9, 2015 16:27:30 GMT -5
Under the current conditions, even the recruiting machine known as Mick Haley would have a tough time getting elite players to 'Eaterville. - This is women's volleyball. Little student or alumni interest/support with less than 1,000 attendance, UCLA & USC included, is the norm and not the exception. - UCI has more student housing than any other UC campus and is no longer a commuter school. Some things have changed since your avatar last shaved decades ago geddylee. [/quote]UCI basketball games are poorly attended and UCI is a commuter school.
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Post by bigfan on Mar 9, 2015 16:29:12 GMT -5
Crawford Hall is the best place to watch volleyball in the Big West, the Bren Center one of the worst. It sounds funny but a gym with a side stage is better than corporate bren center to watch volleytball.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Mar 9, 2015 16:37:16 GMT -5
- Who the hell cares about the Commissioner's Cup besides Long Beach St. fans? Schools like UCI that had more sports than LBS were traditionally at a disadvantage in the scoring. Plus in the past men's volleyball, women's water polo and men's water polo sports UCI was very good at played in the MPSF and didn't count towards the Cup. The Director's Cup counts all sports and awards points based only on NCAA tournament success. NCAA tournament success matters more than winning conference championships. - Here is how UCI has done off the top of my head since 2003 when I first became a fan. I can't speak to what happened before that and I consider it old news anyway. 03-04 = NCAA appearance 04-05 = NCAA appearance 05-06 = ? 06-07 = 4th place finish 07-08 = 3rd place finish 08-09 = 2nd place finish 09-10 = 2nd place tie finish 10-11 = basement finish 11-12 = basement finish 12-13 = middle of pack finish but 14-16 record 13-14 = middle of pack finish but 19-12 record To me UCI has had a good season 7 of the last 11 years I have followed them. Haters like to dwell on the 2 seasons UCI finished in the basement only ahead of Riverside and recall that as the norm. But since Paula finished with the Olympic team UCI is back on the upswing. UCI will contend for a NCAA berth next season even while Shoji and Gimmillaro are still active. As far as Crawford Hall maybe UCI plays Long Beach St. there because the 49ers hate it so much. LOL No way. Unless UCI has a fantastic pre season, they won't make the tournament if they don't win the big west. Hawaii virtually returns everyone. While UCI returns a solid group of girls, I don't think they'll compete for a NCAA berth. The big west IMO will be between UCSB and hawaii, with LBSU, North and Irvive fighting for the rest. I hope they can make it, but I don't think they will. Best of luck to them though
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Mar 9, 2015 16:54:09 GMT -5
From a 2014 edition of New University, UCI's campus journal: "UCI is a commuter college. There is no denying that. Just ask the parking department on campus. Unlike other colleges, a student commuting theoretically doesn’t get the full college experience that those who live on campus would have. That’s not to say that those who actually live on campus don’t make the school any less of a commuter school." That's been my experience as well. www.newuniversity.org/2014/03/opinion/recognizing-the-uci-stigma/And UCI averaged 339 per match attendance, a whopping 3 people per match out of being dead last in Big West attendance. And that lack of interest is reflected in fundraising, where the UCI athletic department struggles mightily. UCI's athletic department budget is run on a shoestring. They had to eliminate five sports a few years ago, and can't even give the women's volleyball program a full compliment of scholarships. The AD refused to add sand volleyball (a sport that is very cheap to run, particularly if scholarships aren't offered) due to budget issues. I've been in Santora, and while it's a huge improvement over the dinky old weight room, it still significantly lags behind what is considered state of the art. And it's understaffed. UCI volleyball isn't a terrible job for a head coach, but it's not a great job either. Nobody has been able to build a consistent winner to date, and much of that can be attributed to lack of program interest/support over the decades. That's not to say it can't be done, but it's going to take someone with (to paraphrase Liam Neeson in Taken) "a very particular set of skills." - I can find students giving bad reviews of any college in the country. I'll let you in a big secret. About one third of all freshmen that enroll in UCI will end up flunking out and not graduating. They don't like to advertise this. Those with bad grades are usually where the bad reviews come from. To be honest most students don't know how good or bad they have it while in college because they don't have anything else to compare it to. Realizing how good or bad you have it comes with age, more experience and reflection. Why an alumni may have a better perspective of this than a current student. - Non-revenue sports has never been about the attendance. I'm a tennis fan where they play in front of 50 people. The only attendees players care about are their family and friends. Women's volleyball as a whole lacks interest period. Trying to rate the varying degrees of disinterest is irrelevant. - I supported UCI cutting sports like crew, sailing and swimming and making them into club sports. That leaves more funding for the sports UCI is good in. I don't mind UCI not having sand volleyball. If the Big West ever sponsors sand volleyball than UCI will add it. If you like to refer to UCI's budget as shoestring than all the schools outside the Power 5 football conferences have shoestring budgets as well. - If you've been to Santora and call it crappy training facilities like you posted than congrats on your bourgeois life. Huh, must be some disgruntled ex-students working at US News and World Report, which describes UCI as a commuter school. Or maybe it's because UCI is, well, a commuter school. colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/uc-irvine-1314Sorry, but having one of the poorest attendance records in all of Division I is relevant. Along with the dreadful attendance for men's basketball (and it's even worse for women's basketball), it points to an apathetic fan base and an athletic department that is unable to promote and market UCI sports in any impactful way. Which significantly affects fundraising, which in turn impacts individual programs and so on. And whether you supported eliminating sports is irrelevant. No athletic director wants to eliminate programs, it's only done out of financial desperation. And other non-football athletic departments, including a large chunk of the Big West and pretty much all of the WCC, are better supported financially than UCI. Santora is actually pretty nice, and as I said is a huge improvement over what used to be there. It doesn't hold up against most training facilities in the Pac-12, though - although I'll certainly admit that it probably isn't fair to compare Santora to Power Five football schools. Crawford, though... At any rate, I would very much like to see UCI be a perennial contender. I was pulling for Paula, who I've known for a long time, to succeed. And I'll pull for Jamie, Pesto or whoever takes the job (unless of course he/she is an a-hole). But I don't think saying "we just need a good recruiter" or "UCI is a sleeping giant" etcetera is particularly realistic, as such statements either ignore or gloss over the institutional challenges a new coach at UCI will have to face.
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Post by volleyguy on Mar 9, 2015 17:44:30 GMT -5
Crawford Hall is the best place to watch volleyball in the Big West, the Bren Center one of the worst. You been smoking again? Los Al has a better gym.
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Post by fetchin on Mar 9, 2015 17:55:58 GMT -5
IMO they should have moved Speraw to the womens team when they had the chance so why don't they hire the current men's coach? He's good. The UCI men's team will be alright.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2015 18:15:45 GMT -5
Well.. they still haven't attracted the superior athletes they need in order to be a force. Oh, but they have attracted many girls who were likely capable of playing at a "higher level" program. Whether it was the location, Paula's name, the weather, the educational opportunities, club pressure, or a combination of all that were factors, UCI attracted them. What would be most concerning to me as a potential recruit would be the lack of success given the level of talent. Like Coachwpassion said "get me a recruiter-assistant who KNOWS how to COACH."
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Post by bigfan on Mar 9, 2015 19:47:55 GMT -5
Huh, must be some disgruntled ex-students working at US News and World Report, which describes UCI as a commuter school. Or maybe it's because UCI is, well, a commuter school. colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/uc-irvine-1314Sorry, but having one of the poorest attendance records in all of Division I is relevant. Along with the dreadful attendance for men's basketball (and it's even worse for women's basketball), it points to an apathetic fan base and an athletic department that is unable to promote and market UCI sports in any impactful way. Which significantly affects fundraising, which in turn impacts individual programs and so on. At any rate, I would very much like to see UCI be a perennial contender. I was pulling for Paula, who I've known for a long time, to succeed. And I'll pull for Jamie, Pesto or whoever takes the job (unless of course he/she is an a-hole). But I don't think saying "we just need a good recruiter" or "UCI is a sleeping giant" etcetera is particularly realistic, as such statements either ignore or gloss over the institutional challenges a new coach at UCI will have to face. UCI puzzles me. Every season I go to a couple of womens Volleyball matches and Mens/womens B-Ball Games. Very poorly attended by fans. Great area. Bren is a very nice gym. UCI just strikes me a sterile environment. UCI is on its way to having a very good law school with reputable Dean.
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