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Apr 9, 2015 12:41:34 GMT -5
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Post by utoolity on Apr 9, 2015 12:41:34 GMT -5
I am sorry, but you cannot compare this hire to who Purdue, Minnesota, and Ball State hired. These coaches came in with years upon years of coaching experience that just doesn't compare to what Buffalo did. The previous poster said you shouldn't hire a college head coach at a mid major without college coaching experience. My point wasn't to compare Blair to those coaches as coaches, but rather to say that when you create a box of "requirements" you will miss too. You don't need to have experience as a college coach to be a successful head coach in college. Blair's lack of college coaching experience doesn't necessarily make it a bad hire in and of that. What makes it a risky hire is the lack of coaching experience in general, combined with a lack of experiences that go along with coaching in college (ie: recruiting, program management, etc...). Now, one thing that the article doesn't mention, is what overseas coaching experience she has. Most professional players I've talked to have had requirements to coach younger players/teams in the same club. While this isn't college experience, it could translate to a few seasons of coaching experience. Again, not an ideal situation, but when you put it all together it would certainly add an additional component to her resume that was lacking. Done that coaching in Europe while with your club team. No it doesn't have any parallel to college.
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Apr 9, 2015 14:17:59 GMT -5
Post by dorothymantooth on Apr 9, 2015 14:17:59 GMT -5
The previous poster said you shouldn't hire a college head coach at a mid major without college coaching experience. My point wasn't to compare Blair to those coaches as coaches, but rather to say that when you create a box of "requirements" you will miss too. You don't need to have experience as a college coach to be a successful head coach in college. Blair's lack of college coaching experience doesn't necessarily make it a bad hire in and of that. What makes it a risky hire is the lack of coaching experience in general, combined with a lack of experiences that go along with coaching in college (ie: recruiting, program management, etc...). Now, one thing that the article doesn't mention, is what overseas coaching experience she has. Most professional players I've talked to have had requirements to coach younger players/teams in the same club. While this isn't college experience, it could translate to a few seasons of coaching experience. Again, not an ideal situation, but when you put it all together it would certainly add an additional component to her resume that was lacking. Done that coaching in Europe while with your club team. No it doesn't have any parallel to college. I have no recollection of her coaching a club while playing pro, nor do I know any players who have played overseas doing so. If she had it wouldnt in any prepare her for the challenges ahead. She is very bright, has great presence, will get some people around her with experience. Like any hire, time will tell.
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Apr 9, 2015 15:46:53 GMT -5
Post by gnu2vball on Apr 9, 2015 15:46:53 GMT -5
The thing with Dorothy and MTC--it's like Holmes vs Moriarity, I tell ya.
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Apr 9, 2015 17:02:29 GMT -5
Post by sizzlincatfish on Apr 9, 2015 17:02:29 GMT -5
That's neither hear nor their. I am sorry, but you cannot compare this hire to who Purdue, Minnesota, and Ball State hired. These coaches came in with years upon years of coaching experience that just doesn't compare to what Buffalo did. Exactly. If you're going to compare playing overseas for a few years to a guy who coached teams to Olympic medals more than once and two guys who already had a lifetime worth of experience in high-level club and high school...you're not understanding the issue.
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Apr 9, 2015 17:46:53 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2015 17:46:53 GMT -5
The unrealistic expectations of the AD may scare some off. Danny White will leave UB the very first chance he gets. He's a clown. This hire is either 1) the AD finally accepting reality that hiring (and keeping) a big name women's VB coach at Buffalo is going to be next to impossible. or 2) the resume is already sufficiently padded with coaching changes to help position himself for his next and bigger gig as someone who will not hesitate to come in and quickly make changes. From his bio on the UB athletics website: "Since his arrival at The State University of New York at Buffalo, White has addressed coaching changes adding experience and depth through recent hires Felisha Legette-Jack (women’s basketball), Sandy Calfo (rowing), Stu Riddle (men’s soccer), Bobby Hurley (men’s basketball), John Stutzman (wrestling) Reed Sunahara (volleyball) and Trena Peel (softball)". From his bio we also learn : 1) " White immediately laid the blueprint to capitalize on the unlimited potential of UB Athletics ". (Shows he sees things in Buffalo that others do not. The sky's the limit for Buffalo kinda guy). 2) Is "A rising star in intercollegiate athletics." (Shows he's ready to be AD at your school in a conference more prestigious than the MAC). 3) " White is overseeing a number of capital projects that will create new as well as upgraded facilities ... These included ...a recently upgraded Men’s and Women’s Basketball hallway in Alumni Arena" (Shows he understands the importance of having nice hallways.) You have to give the guy credit, he's not there to be humble.
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Apr 9, 2015 21:13:51 GMT -5
Post by d3coach on Apr 9, 2015 21:13:51 GMT -5
Umm, sounds like a good SID... I've never met an AD who wrote his own bio... not saying he couldn't have interjected his opinions, but realistically an AD's bio isn't there for the next job.
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Apr 9, 2015 21:17:24 GMT -5
Post by d3coach on Apr 9, 2015 21:17:24 GMT -5
I am sorry, but you cannot compare this hire to who Purdue, Minnesota, and Ball State hired. These coaches came in with years upon years of coaching experience that just doesn't compare to what Buffalo did. Exactly. If you're going to compare playing overseas for a few years to a guy who coached teams to Olympic medals more than once and two guys who already had a lifetime worth of experience in high-level club and high school...you're not understanding the issue. I'm not. As I already stated I'm comparing them only in the fact that they didn't have college coaching experience - since someone said it can't be done. My point is that classifying people in boxes (aka you need to have been a college coach in order to be a good college head coach) is simply not correct. Obviously one set of people is highly qualified (although people still complained at the time for each of them because they didn't have recruiting experience) and one is a literal newbie to the profession as a whole. Just making the point that you can't successfully live in absolutes.
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Apr 10, 2015 1:07:49 GMT -5
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Post by vbcoach06 on Apr 10, 2015 1:07:49 GMT -5
Danny White will leave UB the very first chance he gets. He's a clown. This hire is either 1) the AD finally accepting reality that hiring (and keeping) a big name women's VB coach at Buffalo is going to be next to impossible. or 2) the resume is already sufficiently padded with coaching changes to help position himself for his next and bigger gig as someone who will not hesitate to come in and quickly make changes. From his bio on the UB athletics website: "Since his arrival at The State University of New York at Buffalo, White has addressed coaching changes adding experience and depth through recent hires Felisha Legette-Jack (women’s basketball), Sandy Calfo (rowing), Stu Riddle (men’s soccer), Bobby Hurley (men’s basketball), John Stutzman (wrestling) Reed Sunahara (volleyball) and Trena Peel (softball)". From his bio we also learn : 1) " White immediately laid the blueprint to capitalize on the unlimited potential of UB Athletics ". (Shows he sees things in Buffalo that others do not. The sky's the limit for Buffalo kinda guy). 2) Is "A rising star in intercollegiate athletics." (Shows he's ready to be AD at your school in a conference more prestigious than the MAC). 3) " White is overseeing a number of capital projects that will create new as well as upgraded facilities ... These included ...a recently upgraded Men’s and Women’s Basketball hallway in Alumni Arena" (Shows he understands the importance of having nice hallways.) You have to give the guy credit, he's not there to be humble. Danny White's father is the AD at Duke. If you think Buffalo was ever going to be the last stop for the guy, it certainly wasn't. In fact, I think he's doing the same things the head coaches at UB are doing. They're winning and leaving. Bobby Hurley (men's basketball) just left today for Arizona State after only 2 seasons. Obviously, Reed leaves after one. As a Mid-Major AD, your coaches getting hired away means you're hiring the right people. Just makes his resume stronger when he's looking to jump ship along side them.
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Apr 10, 2015 8:43:11 GMT -5
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Post by dorothymantooth on Apr 10, 2015 8:43:11 GMT -5
Danny White will leave UB the very first chance he gets. He's a clown. This hire is either 1) the AD finally accepting reality that hiring (and keeping) a big name women's VB coach at Buffalo is going to be next to impossible. or 2) the resume is already sufficiently padded with coaching changes to help position himself for his next and bigger gig as someone who will not hesitate to come in and quickly make changes. From his bio on the UB athletics website: "Since his arrival at The State University of New York at Buffalo, White has addressed coaching changes adding experience and depth through recent hires Felisha Legette-Jack (women’s basketball), Sandy Calfo (rowing), Stu Riddle (men’s soccer), Bobby Hurley (men’s basketball), John Stutzman (wrestling) Reed Sunahara (volleyball) and Trena Peel (softball)". From his bio we also learn : 1) " White immediately laid the blueprint to capitalize on the unlimited potential of UB Athletics ". (Shows he sees things in Buffalo that others do not. The sky's the limit for Buffalo kinda guy). 2) Is "A rising star in intercollegiate athletics." (Shows he's ready to be AD at your school in a conference more prestigious than the MAC). 3) " White is overseeing a number of capital projects that will create new as well as upgraded facilities ... These included ...a recently upgraded Men’s and Women’s Basketball hallway in Alumni Arena" (Shows he understands the importance of having nice hallways.) You have to give the guy credit, he's not there to be humble. He is riding the wave of his fathers success.
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Apr 10, 2015 15:23:40 GMT -5
Post by future on Apr 10, 2015 15:23:40 GMT -5
This hire is either 1) the AD finally accepting reality that hiring (and keeping) a big name women's VB coach at Buffalo is going to be next to impossible. or 2) the resume is already sufficiently padded with coaching changes to help position himself for his next and bigger gig as someone who will not hesitate to come in and quickly make changes. From his bio on the UB athletics website: "Since his arrival at The State University of New York at Buffalo, White has addressed coaching changes adding experience and depth through recent hires Felisha Legette-Jack (women’s basketball), Sandy Calfo (rowing), Stu Riddle (men’s soccer), Bobby Hurley (men’s basketball), John Stutzman (wrestling) Reed Sunahara (volleyball) and Trena Peel (softball)". From his bio we also learn : 1) " White immediately laid the blueprint to capitalize on the unlimited potential of UB Athletics ". (Shows he sees things in Buffalo that others do not. The sky's the limit for Buffalo kinda guy). 2) Is "A rising star in intercollegiate athletics." (Shows he's ready to be AD at your school in a conference more prestigious than the MAC). 3) " White is overseeing a number of capital projects that will create new as well as upgraded facilities ... These included ...a recently upgraded Men’s and Women’s Basketball hallway in Alumni Arena" (Shows he understands the importance of having nice hallways.) You have to give the guy credit, he's not there to be humble. He is riding the wave of his fathers success. Sometimes Dorothy is SPOT ON. (always two sides to the story as Buffalo is a State University that has Big Talk about trying to go big time but just won't or can't pay like other major State Universities but.....) buckyandsully.buffalonews.com/2015/04/10/hurley-had-change-in-heart-after-ub-mishandled-situation/Based on several conversations with sources close to Hurley, he ultimately felt alienated by his own university after he led the program to its best season ever and used his notoriety to spread the word about Buffalo on a national level.
Hurley's attitude shifted in the days following the NCAAs, starting with UB leaking a story that suggested he had reached the parameters on a contract extension when, in fact, it was quite the opposite. He thought it was a classless attempt by athletic director Danny White to pressure him into an agreement while he was looking for more money for his assistant coaches.
If that wasn't enough to irk Hurley, and it was, he also was upset that he was forced to handle his own contract negotiations. White refused to sit down with Hurley's agent after essentially telling his coach he didn't deal with agents. Hurley was uncomfortable talking money, and making his own argument, when dealing with his boss. He did so when he first arrived because he badly wanted the job.
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Apr 10, 2015 15:32:04 GMT -5
Post by volleyguy on Apr 10, 2015 15:32:04 GMT -5
He is riding the wave of his fathers success. Sometimes Dorothy is SPOT ON. (always two sides to the story but.....) buckyandsully.buffalonews.com/2015/04/10/hurley-had-change-in-heart-after-ub-mishandled-situation/Based on several conversations with sources close to Hurley, he ultimately felt alienated by his own university after he led the program to its best season ever and used his notoriety to spread the word about Buffalo on a national level.
Hurley's attitude shifted in the days following the NCAAs, starting with UB leaking a story that suggested he had reached the parameters on a contract extension when, in fact, it was quite the opposite. He thought it was a classless attempt by athletic director Danny White to pressure him into an agreement while he was looking for more money for his assistant coaches.
If that wasn't enough to irk Hurley, and it was, he also was upset that he was forced to handle his own contract negotiations. White refused to sit down with Hurley's agent after essentially telling his coach he didn't deal with agents. Hurley was uncomfortable talking money, and making his own argument, when dealing with his boss. He did so when he first arrived because he badly wanted the job.I don't know about the rest of it, but it's a bad idea for a pubic employee to negotiate another public employee's employment contract with an agent.
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Apr 10, 2015 15:40:35 GMT -5
Post by c4ndlelight on Apr 10, 2015 15:40:35 GMT -5
Sometimes Dorothy is SPOT ON. (always two sides to the story but.....) buckyandsully.buffalonews.com/2015/04/10/hurley-had-change-in-heart-after-ub-mishandled-situation/Based on several conversations with sources close to Hurley, he ultimately felt alienated by his own university after he led the program to its best season ever and used his notoriety to spread the word about Buffalo on a national level.
Hurley's attitude shifted in the days following the NCAAs, starting with UB leaking a story that suggested he had reached the parameters on a contract extension when, in fact, it was quite the opposite. He thought it was a classless attempt by athletic director Danny White to pressure him into an agreement while he was looking for more money for his assistant coaches.
If that wasn't enough to irk Hurley, and it was, he also was upset that he was forced to handle his own contract negotiations. White refused to sit down with Hurley's agent after essentially telling his coach he didn't deal with agents. Hurley was uncomfortable talking money, and making his own argument, when dealing with his boss. He did so when he first arrived because he badly wanted the job.I don't know about the rest of it, but it's a bad idea for a pubic employee to negotiate another public employee's employment contract with an agent. That's not abnormal. Outside of athletics, headhunters are used for a variety of high-profile public positions and they handle salary negotiations.
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Apr 10, 2015 15:44:14 GMT -5
Post by future on Apr 10, 2015 15:44:14 GMT -5
sports.caa.com/coaches.aspxLooks like this agency represents quite a few Private and Public University Coaches. I'm sure I could find more agencies like it. I have to imagine that for the higher profile sports, in this day an age, this has to be the norm or trending toward the norm.
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Apr 10, 2015 15:50:21 GMT -5
Post by volleyguy on Apr 10, 2015 15:50:21 GMT -5
I don't know about the rest of it, but it's a bad idea for a pubic employee to negotiate another public employee's employment contract with an agent. That's not abnormal. Outside of athletics, headhunters are used for a variety of high-profile public positions and they handle salary negotiations. In public employment, agents and head-hunters are sometimes involved in advising and reviewing proposals, and occasionally an agent or lawyer will sit in on the discussion/meeting, but as counsel, not as the party directly negotiating the offer .
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Apr 10, 2015 16:05:09 GMT -5
Post by future on Apr 10, 2015 16:05:09 GMT -5
That's not abnormal. Outside of athletics, headhunters are used for a variety of high-profile public positions and they handle salary negotiations. In public employment, agents and head-hunters are sometimes involved in advising and reviewing proposals, and occasionally an agent or lawyer will sit in on the discussion/meeting, but as counsel, not as the party directly negotiating the offer . Don't know enough to argue either way with conviction.
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