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Sept 2, 2015 22:06:26 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2015 22:06:26 GMT -5
Nicole Fawcett hit .400 in conference her senior season. I know that being on the best team ever and having 4 other all american hitters definitely helped her, but she had a remarkable season too.
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Post by ay2013 on Sept 3, 2015 0:24:36 GMT -5
Nicole Fawcett hit .400 in conference her senior season. I know that being on the best team ever and having 4 other all american hitters definitely helped her, but she had a remarkable season too. and .358 overall? hmmm that must means that she was far under .358 out of conference. 2008 Big 10 is nowhere close to the Big 10 in this decade. her kills and points are distinctly lower than some of the other players mentioned and she really isn't a comparable OH as she wasn't a primary passer like Klineman or Hodge....I woudn't put Fawcett's senior season in the same category as Klineman's senior year. I mean, I'd still love to have Fawcett but that ball on the PSU squad could have went to a number of players on any given play...Klineman had a bunch of inexperienced players playing around her, teams KNEW the ball was going to her every other set, and she still put it down more efficiently than Fawcett. Just sayin.
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Post by BeiBei on Sept 3, 2015 10:38:19 GMT -5
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Post by c4ndlelight on Sept 3, 2015 10:49:45 GMT -5
Nicole Fawcett hit .400 in conference her senior season. I know that being on the best team ever and having 4 other all american hitters definitely helped her, but she had a remarkable season too. and .358 overall? hmmm that must means that she was far under .358 out of conference. 2008 Big 10 is nowhere close to the Big 10 in this decade. her kills and points are distinctly lower than some of the other players mentioned and she really isn't a comparable OH as she wasn't a primary passer like Klineman or Hodge....I woudn't put Fawcett's senior season in the same category as Klineman's senior year. I mean, I'd still love to have Fawcett but that ball on the PSU squad could have went to a number of players on any given play...Klineman had a bunch of inexperienced players playing around her, teams KNEW the ball was going to her every other set, and she still put it down more efficiently than Fawcett. Just sayin. Klineman had a 1st and 3rd Team AA on the team with her that year, plus Wopat (who came in pretty polished). PAC-12 was also a bit top-heavy that year. Karsta's 5.96 kps hitting .304 is just as impressive to me in context.
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Post by ay2013 on Sept 3, 2015 13:11:38 GMT -5
and .358 overall? hmmm that must means that she was far under .358 out of conference. 2008 Big 10 is nowhere close to the Big 10 in this decade. her kills and points are distinctly lower than some of the other players mentioned and she really isn't a comparable OH as she wasn't a primary passer like Klineman or Hodge....I woudn't put Fawcett's senior season in the same category as Klineman's senior year. I mean, I'd still love to have Fawcett but that ball on the PSU squad could have went to a number of players on any given play...Klineman had a bunch of inexperienced players playing around her, teams KNEW the ball was going to her every other set, and she still put it down more efficiently than Fawcett. Just sayin. Klineman had a 1st and 3rd Team AA on the team with her that year, plus Wopat (who came in pretty polished). PAC-12 was also a bit top-heavy that year. Karsta's 5.96 kps hitting .304 is just as impressive to me in context. are you talking about Lichtman and Ailes? neither of them shouldered any tangible offensive burden, unlike Fawcett who had Hodge, Harmotto, Wilson, and Brown banging balls. I don't think the 2010 Pac-12 was THAT top heavy. 5 teams made regionals, and this was the Pac-10 then, so that's half the conference In regards to Lowe she's not an OH, so I'm not sure why she should be apart of this discussion. (though her season was very impressive in its own right, especially given the depth of the Pac-12)
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Post by c4ndlelight on Sept 3, 2015 13:15:46 GMT -5
Klineman had a 1st and 3rd Team AA on the team with her that year, plus Wopat (who came in pretty polished). PAC-12 was also a bit top-heavy that year. Karsta's 5.96 kps hitting .304 is just as impressive to me in context. are you talking about Lichtman and Ailes? neither of them shouldered any tangible offensive burden, unlike Fawcett who had Hodge, Harmotto, Wilson, and Brown banging balls In regards to Lowe she's not an OH. Lichtman hit .275, which isn't poor. Heck, Spelman hit over .300 that year, as did Wopat. And having two AAs handling the ball sure made it easier for Klineman to hit those quick balls on the left (2010 was probably the fastest Stanford's offense has ever been). Not saying she wasn't exceptional, but you can't claim the talent around Klineman was a steaming pile of manure - it was Stanford after all.
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Post by ay2013 on Sept 3, 2015 13:17:15 GMT -5
are you talking about Lichtman and Ailes? neither of them shouldered any tangible offensive burden, unlike Fawcett who had Hodge, Harmotto, Wilson, and Brown banging balls In regards to Lowe she's not an OH. Lichtman hit .275, which isn't poor. Heck, Spelman hit over .300 that year, as did Wopat. And having two AAs handling the ball sure made it easier for Klineman to hit those quick balls on the left (2010 was probably the fastest Stanford's offense has ever been). Not saying she wasn't exceptional, but you can't claim the talent around Klineman was a steaming pile of manure - it was Stanford after all. I didn't say the Stanford team was bad. Just that Klineman really was the big offensive threat. Defenses didn't center around Spelman Also, the Pac-12, IMO, was pretty solid that year, 5 of 10 teams made regionals.
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Post by saywho on Sept 3, 2015 13:23:14 GMT -5
maybe one finger. I cant remember any OH in history scoring that often and efficiently. In 2001, Kim Willoughby averaged 7.2 KPS with a .341% average. I can't believe saywho doesn't believe that Klineman's stats are monstrous, they are. I'll give in and concur her stats were great. I was just never high on Klineman like others were, and it certainly makes me have tinted glasses on when thinking back on her. Same for Barboza. Just a lack of a killer instinct (in my opinion of course.) Both were phenomenal players; neither just ever excited me. Maybe I just want us to win a NC again and I'll be more content
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Post by redbeard2008 on Sept 3, 2015 13:36:37 GMT -5
I didn't say the Stanford team was bad. Just that Klineman really was the big offensive threat. Defenses didn't center around Spelman Also, the Pac-12, IMO, was pretty solid that year, 5 of 10 teams made regionals. All I know is that UW couldn't block or dig her. She hit 32-2-60 (.500) and 24-5-63 (.302) against UW in 2010, winning 6 out of 8 sets. At UW, they had 89 digs - even if you kept the ball up (UW had 80 digs), they just kept coming back at you, usually with Klineman smashing the winner.
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Post by hammer on Sept 3, 2015 14:03:38 GMT -5
Too bad Klineman and Lowe weren't on the same team at the same time in their prime with a good setter because (oh my) that would have been one tough O to stop.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Sept 4, 2015 10:44:28 GMT -5
Cal already down 4-12 in the first set to UNLV. Could they go 0-for-Kansas this weekend?
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Post by chatchu-off moksri on Sept 4, 2015 11:44:04 GMT -5
Is Rennie not playing for Cal?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2015 11:49:32 GMT -5
Cal down two sets now but leading 15/12 in third set. no rennie to question above.
came back strong in third set. 25-16 cal unlv up 2 sets to 1
will be interesting to see both these teams play k-state to figure out how Cal really is looking. a lot of errors. cal up 8-6 in 4th cal dominating and up 18-12. I think this is over.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Sept 4, 2015 11:51:14 GMT -5
Cal down two sets now but leading 15/12 in third set. no rennie She's not a setter or a receiver-attacker, so I'm not sure how much she'd actually help. Schonewise is back though. Looks to be playing opposite in the 6-2?
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Post by c4ndlelight on Sept 4, 2015 12:44:36 GMT -5
Cal came back and won in 5. Carmen Annevelink came in and made the difference, it would seem from the stats. This is a solid win for Cal. UNLV is a solid team.
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