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Post by Vballin on Apr 1, 2015 8:20:54 GMT -5
Good luck to this girl! Hope she finds a new college home. Ok maybe saying elite setter was confusing to some who just read the thread title. However, once you read the 1st post it is very clear that 18-Elite means the team name. Pretty obvious. And who knows, maybe she is an elite setter on 18-Elite.
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Post by jsn112 on Apr 1, 2015 8:26:00 GMT -5
Man you people need to get a clue. The conversation was regarding the term "elite" My comment is 100% right. She is not good enough to play for the new coach. Doesn't mean she isn't good, just means that coach thinks they can do find a better talent. Now, if they new coach can find better talent (sjsu) is a different question. This happens every day as a coach. Coaches make recruiting decisions as which recruits are good enough to make their team better. Every day coaches reject recruits who are not good enough for their program. Doesn't mean that kid isn't good, just not good enough for that coach's expectations of the level of recruit they need to bring in. There are plenty of players considered "elite" who are still not good enough for many programs. Good luck to the player in question and I hope she finds a school that she wants to attend and she can play and excel. Elite is in the eye of the beholder, really. One coach thinks she's good enough, while the other doesn't. Who's right? And what makes this new coach thinks that he can anyone better this late in the recruiting game unless he's looking at next year or so? And why shoot down the girl's dream before it even started, especially after a scholarship just got pulled out under her?
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Post by newenglander on Apr 1, 2015 8:51:05 GMT -5
When members of the coaching profession rescind commitments made by other representatives of their institution (like departed coaches), coaches shouldn't whine when players rescind verbal commitments.
Any coaching coming in to a new situation should know all the commitments made by the previous staff and use that information when they decide to accept the position.
Any AD with integrity should also either prohibit their coaches from making verbal offers or require future coaches to abide by them.
My $.02.
Good luck to the player...
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Post by SportyBucky on Apr 1, 2015 9:01:36 GMT -5
Man you people need to get a clue. The conversation was regarding the term "elite" My comment is 100% right. She is not good enough to play for the new coach. Doesn't mean she isn't good, just means that coach thinks they can do find a better talent. Now, if they new coach can find better talent (sjsu) is a different question. This happens every day as a coach. Coaches make recruiting decisions as which recruits are good enough to make their team better. Every day coaches reject recruits who are not good enough for their program. Doesn't mean that kid isn't good, just not good enough for that coach's expectations of the level of recruit they need to bring in. There are plenty of players considered "elite" who are still not good enough for many programs. Good luck to the player in question and I hope she finds a school that she wants to attend and she can play and excel. Sometimes being right is being wrong. Everyone's point is not around whether she's elite; it's your crassness in addressing it the way you did.
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Post by cardinalvolleyball on Apr 1, 2015 9:02:34 GMT -5
Any AD with integrity should also either prohibit their coaches from making verbal offers or require future coaches to abide by them. My $.02. Good luck to the player... You do realize the first part of your proposal would completely change college recruiting across all sports. the remedy to prohibiting coaching from making verbal offers is allowing schools to offer NLI's to anyone regardless of age and nobody wants to see that.
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Post by bc1900 on Apr 1, 2015 10:31:56 GMT -5
Obviously she isn't elite enough for the new coach... No, that isn't "obvious" at all. The new coach may have a different recruiting agenda, or perhaps just hasn't watched her play, who knows. Some mean spirited commenters here; I wonder how much different this forum would be if it weren't anonymous. I've noticed more comments sections for various social and political blogs are now requiring a Facebook login to comment and the comments are much more temperate.
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Post by timduckforlife on Apr 1, 2015 11:57:44 GMT -5
Obviously she isn't elite enough for the new coach... doesn't mean that at all. New coach might want to run a different system. He wants to run a 5-1, and old coach might have run a 6-2. Could just as simply mean that the girl is short and ideal as a backrow setter but might struggle in the front row against d1 hitters.
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Post by bc1900 on Apr 1, 2015 12:17:15 GMT -5
Any AD with integrity should also either prohibit their coaches from making verbal offers or require future coaches to abide by them. My $.02. Good luck to the player... You do realize the first part of your proposal would completely change college recruiting across all sports. the remedy to prohibiting coaching from making verbal offers is allowing schools to offer NLI's to anyone regardless of age and nobody wants to see that. Why not? If a coach is willing to make a verbal commitment to a 15 or 16 yr old, why not make it a real commitment and sign a binding contract (NLI)? Or does the coach wish to retain some wiggle room, you know, just in case someone better comes along?
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Post by newenglander on Apr 7, 2015 12:35:18 GMT -5
Any AD with integrity should also either prohibit their coaches from making verbal offers or require future coaches to abide by them. My $.02. Good luck to the player... You do realize the first part of your proposal would completely change college recruiting across all sports. the remedy to prohibiting coaching from making verbal offers is allowing schools to offer NLI's to anyone regardless of age and nobody wants to see that. In what way? It requires the coach and institution to demonstrate some integrity? How about every coach needing to disclose to the player receiving a verbal offer that it's not binding on them, the institution or any future coaches then? A verbal is simply the parties violating the spirit of the rules and in the end isn't really a commitment by either the school or the athlete... is it? "If you liked it you should have put a ring NLI on it"
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Post by uprefsenemy on Apr 7, 2015 13:59:18 GMT -5
Obviously she isn't elite enough for the new coach... doesn't mean that at all. New coach might want to run a different system. He wants to run a 5-1, and old coach might have run a 6-2. Could just as simply mean that the girl is short and ideal as a backrow setter but might struggle in the front row against d1 hitters. X2...Some people just don't get it and say the coach thinks he can do better. The idiocy of some of these people on this site make me wonder if they know a damn thing about the sport...
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Post by cardinalvolleyball on Apr 8, 2015 22:52:01 GMT -5
You do realize the first part of your proposal would completely change college recruiting across all sports. the remedy to prohibiting coaching from making verbal offers is allowing schools to offer NLI's to anyone regardless of age and nobody wants to see that. In what way? It requires the coach and institution to demonstrate some integrity? How about every coach needing to disclose to the player receiving a verbal offer that it's not binding on them, the institution or any future coaches then? A verbal is simply the parties violating the spirit of the rules and in the end isn't really a commitment by either the school or the athlete... is it? "If you liked it you should have put a ring NLI on it" That's exactly what a verbal commitment is. A non-binding agreement between two parties. If we remove the the age limit of NLI's then coaching will be tripping over themselves to get the best 9th/8th/7th graders to sign NLI's because then it will be binding. At that point its just hero worship instead of making an informed decision. I personally feel Sophomores in high school are to young so why would we want to employ a system that lowers the age of committing to a university? The one thing I value with volleyball's recruiting process is it doesn't resemble mens bball or football where players verbal and back out 2, 3, 5 times until the choose a hat or flip a coin. I would hate to live in that world.
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Post by bigfan on Apr 9, 2015 10:33:15 GMT -5
X2...Some people just don't get it and say the coach thinks he can do better. The idiocy of some of these people on this site make me wonder if they know a damn thing about the sport... Well........we are all trying.
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Post by bc1900 on Apr 9, 2015 20:58:35 GMT -5
In what way? It requires the coach and institution to demonstrate some integrity? How about every coach needing to disclose to the player receiving a verbal offer that it's not binding on them, the institution or any future coaches then? A verbal is simply the parties violating the spirit of the rules and in the end isn't really a commitment by either the school or the athlete... is it? "If you liked it you should have put a ring NLI on it" That's exactly what a verbal commitment is. A non-binding agreement between two parties. If we remove the the age limit of NLI's then coaching will be tripping over themselves to get the best 9th/8th/7th graders to sign NLI's because then it will be binding. At that point its just hero worship instead of making an informed decision. I personally feel Sophomores in high school are to young so why would we want to employ a system that lowers the age of committing to a university? The one thing I value with volleyball's recruiting process is it doesn't resemble mens bball or football where players verbal and back out 2, 3, 5 times until the choose a hat or flip a coin. I would hate to live in that world. So what is the purpose of a non-binding agreement if either or both parties don't feel they need to honor the agreement? If your interest is in protecting the teenager you should be willing to make her a binding offer, an offer backed by the school itself, not just the coach's "integrity" (air quotes because there is a wide spectrum in the area of integrity). And don't worry so much about hero worship, most of these 9th and 10th graders have no idea who college coaches are, plus the teenager's parents are also involved. If a coach is willing to make a non-binding verbal commitment to a 9th or 10th grader the coach should be willing to make a binding offer, otherwise the coach is misleading the teenager and her parents by pretending they have a commitment when they really don't. How does our current system do anything to prevent your nightmare scenario of multiple commits/de-commits? What's preventing coaches from making verbal offers to 7th graders right now? And is that actually happening?
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Post by BigFanEst2006 on Apr 9, 2015 22:39:51 GMT -5
Sometimes I don't understand on this board why posters insist on getting so nasty, picking at every word someone posts and fighting until the end to ensure everyone knows they are "right" and you are "wrong". Usually, I just shake my head and move on to read something else. I understand people have their own opinions and hence the reason of a blog, but my gosh people, this was a thread started by a coach who is simply trying to help out one of their players. So what if they used the word "elite" in the title of the blog. It also had the words "2016" and "setter", hoping it would at least spark a potentially interested coach to open the thread to read the information if they wanted to reach out. She is a junior in high school, playing up a level as a setter competing in 18 Open. She may not be someone's idea of an elite setter, but maybe she doesn't suck either.
Give. This. Coach. And. Player. A. Break.
As a disclaimer, I do not know this coach, the player, the player's parents, the club, the town they live in or what color uniforms they wear (or whatever else someone can try to think up of why I definding this post). I just feel this thread (and so many other threads) and posters can be quite harsh when all they are doing is to try and find this girl a home. Maybe her coach told her she would post this to see if she can spark some interest and maybe the player is reading these post because she was excited only to be devastated with such negative feedback and attacks posters have on each other....
I imagine I will even get some harsh or simply off color comment in regards to my own comments, but life is too short to hate, hate, hate. I love, love, love the sport of volleyball and read volley talk because it can be extremely helpful with a lot of REALLY good insight and information and is also why I usually just brush off some comments that people can make. Go ahead posters and attack each other, but don't attack a coach for simply trying to find a player a new home.
Good luck to the player and I hope she is fortunate to find a new home to continue to play the sport she loves!
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Post by dgo on Apr 10, 2015 7:36:09 GMT -5
I understand people have their own opinions and hence the reason of a blog, but my gosh people, this was a thread started by a coach who is simply trying to help out one of their players. So what if they used the word "elite" in the title of the blog. It also had the words "2016" and "setter", hoping it would at least spark a potentially interested coach to open the thread to read the information if they wanted to reach out. She is a junior in high school, playing up a level as a setter competing in 18 Open. She may not be someone's idea of an elite setter, but maybe she doesn't suck either. Based on statistics we've all see a thousand times, at minimum she's in the top 1% of HS volleyball players. Based upon the timing and division of her initial offer, probably higher. Sure, "elite" is a relative term, but why quibble with it under these circumstances. Similar disclaimer: no connection with the player, club, etc.
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