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Post by Not Me on Apr 1, 2015 18:18:44 GMT -5
She can transfer with no penalties at the end of the club season, along with thousands of other dissatisfied parent for slights real and imagined. Not now. If she was a club director and she tried out, would you put her on a team?
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Post by timduckforlife on Apr 1, 2015 18:29:39 GMT -5
I kind of feel for all sides here. One the one hand, I feel for the player and the parents for being misled. On another I feel for the clubs because of getting sued over a playing time issue. And I feel for the league trying to keep it competitive and try and prevent poaching.
Seems like a no-win situation all the way around.
Other thoughts:
Possibly kid was over-promised and under-delivered, unless the parents misinterpreted the offer. A JV setter as a sophmore, doesn't seem like elite college level talent. Or was the club team trying to stockpile talent so that other teams couldn't get it. Although, club was okay with her going as was another team willing to take her. Seems like this should be allowed, esp when both club teams are okay with it. I can understand that the region does want a competitive league and wants to prevent an all-star team, and get called on it at regionals and nationals for team-stacking. Could it be as simple as the kid had an amazing tryout and just wasn't as good as they thought she was, and their other setter was just better? Or did they think she was their best setter until someone else was even more impressive and as thus the starting spot went to the better player signed later.
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Post by cardinalvolleyball on Apr 1, 2015 18:57:21 GMT -5
In our region if the original club releases the player then she is allowed to transfer. I never saw a problem how that was handled. If the club has an issue with it you can always not release the player.
A more interesting law suit would be if the player found a new club and the original club "didn't" release her.
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Post by bigfan on Apr 1, 2015 20:25:36 GMT -5
I am amazed people still coach. This is not making it any easier. Amazing. LOL!
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Post by joc on Apr 1, 2015 20:55:31 GMT -5
The majority of people sign up to play club, not practice club. Everyone seems to be siding with the Region, but I disagree. If the club and player both agree to a release, then the Region should approve it. Not to is grimy.
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 1, 2015 21:31:12 GMT -5
The majority of people sign up to play club, not practice club. Everyone seems to be siding with the Region, but I disagree. If the club and player both agree to a release, then the Region should approve it. Not to is grimy. Not everyone. And I think you hit the nail on the head: "people sign up to play club, not practice club".
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Post by smb4 on Apr 1, 2015 22:29:33 GMT -5
The other instances also shock me. 40 million dollar lawsuit for getting cut from his high school track team. 40 million??? I wonder if there is a statute of limitations on this, cause my HS Basketball coach has it coming from what he did to me 21 years ago . (sarcasm) Good to know that this is where athletics is going. Good luck finding a college scholarship now! Maybe in the future the daughter can sue her parents for ruining her chances of a college scholarship, by pursuing this course of action. This is a little off topic because I'm responding to your other example rather than the case that inspired this thread, but it is important. Suing for 40 mil is not the same as winning the lawsuit. Anyone can file a lawsuit. Truly frivolous suits are thrown out pretty quickly. It is actually pretty hard (psychologically and often financially) to follow a suit through to the end - especially when the plaintiff is "the little guy." Many of the common examples of "outrageous" results from lawsuits are grossly oversimplified (see the real story of the McDonald's hot coffee suit as a case in point).
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Post by volleyguy on Apr 2, 2015 0:18:30 GMT -5
I understand that there is a natural expectation that if someone is paying for club, they are expecting to play/start, but the only practical solution to that would be a roster of about 6 to 8 players, which is almost never the case.
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Post by XAsstCoach on Apr 2, 2015 0:43:53 GMT -5
Parent will end up requiring clubs to put down their promises in writing.
The other thing that will eventually be brought up in a lawsuit, if it hasn't already, is the compulsory individual training sessions that would lead to less playing time should the kid not sign up for it.
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Post by pumpkin on Apr 2, 2015 1:16:03 GMT -5
The problem is some Parents cant except the fact that their child isn't good enough to play or start, I have a lot of girls at the start of every season coming in saying " I'm a SETTER or an OH, or a LIBERO" thats the position you playied at your last Club or School, it doesn't mean you will get that spot on the this team!!!
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Post by XAsstCoach on Apr 2, 2015 1:55:33 GMT -5
The problem is some Parents cant except the fact that their child isn't good enough to play or start, I have a lot of girls at the start of every season coming in saying " I'm a SETTER or an OH, or a LIBERO" thats the position you playied at your last Club or School, it doesn't mean you will get that spot on the this team!!! Unfortunately, the club told the player and parents upfront that she is good enough to play. Granted things change, and the player and parent accepted that, but was blocked from changing to a club where she has a better chance of playing this late in the season.
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 2, 2015 3:25:00 GMT -5
The problem is some Parents cant except the fact that their child isn't good enough to play or start, I have a lot of girls at the start of every season coming in saying " I'm a SETTER or an OH, or a LIBERO" thats the position you playied at your last Club or School, it doesn't mean you will get that spot on the this team!!! Unfortunately, the club told the player and parents upfront that she is good enough to play. Granted things change, and the player and parent accepted that, but was blocked from changing to a club where she has a better chance of playing this late in the season. Exactly. Assuming that what is claimed in the story is true, then they have a real case for breech of contract. The whole thing seems a bit screwed up. First the club tells the player she'll be playing (and they do play her), then they tell her she won't be playing (and they don't play her). Why not tell her all along that "if you earn playing time, you'll get it"? How motivating can it be to tell a player, "You won't be playing for the rest of the season, but please keep coming to the gym because we need people to pay to be practice opponents"? On the other hand, maybe another way to read this is that the club wanted her to leave. Maybe they told her she won't be playing for the rest of the season because they wanted her to go find another club.
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Post by rogero1 on Apr 2, 2015 4:48:50 GMT -5
I understand that there is a natural expectation that if someone is paying for club, they are expecting to play/start, but the only practical solution to that would be a roster of about 6 to 8 players, which is almost never the case. I had a 15's team of only 7 players two years ago. Parents wanted their DD to play and not sit. They also paid 30% more than the previous year when we had 10 players. Unfortunately, none of those players made their HS varsity team because they were not athletic enough.
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Post by XAsstCoach on Apr 2, 2015 5:15:58 GMT -5
If the other team is to attend the AAU finals, this player could have finished her season in the Chesapeake region, or even quit, and join the other team for the AAUs. No harm, no foul...no lawsuit.
All goes to the crapper if neither plan on going to the AAUs.
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Post by n00b on Apr 2, 2015 7:09:57 GMT -5
If the other team is to attend the AAU finals, this player could have finished her season in the Chesapeake region, or even quit, and join the other team for the AAUs. No harm, no foul...no lawsuit. All goes to the crapper if neither plan on going to the AAUs. Maybe. AAU also has transfer rules. Often times what your said is legal because teams don't play in any AAU tournaments until nationals. However, local AAU tournaments have become more common and if she played in an AAU tournament with her previous club, there ARE transfer rules.
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