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Post by lionsarm on Apr 1, 2015 17:57:32 GMT -5
This was an issue raised in the Top Junior's club thread, i think it is a very interesting topic that should be discussed further, so maybe we can discuss it here separately. here is what the poster asked and someone responded. Looking at the top Boys Clubs in the nation. How many of these programs have College Coaches owning/running the programs? Kind of like a minor league baseball team feeding the majors leagues. Just wondering? SCVC -USC HBC - Long Beach St I'm sure there are more. i don't know too much about the relationship of college coaches to juniors program, so if others can provide some context, that would be great. i'm thinking of the two revenue sports of men's basketball and football, and that there would be no way in hell the NCAA would allow someone like john calipari to run his own juniors AAU basketball program stocked with kentucky assistant coaches!!! in terms of the ncaa, i can care less b/c it's all about money for them. but from the perspective of the fans, coaches, parents, players: are there some ethical issues or not really? |
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Post by vbersmith on Apr 1, 2015 18:18:52 GMT -5
You have raised VERY real concernS. Do Junior Club programs, affiliated with a D1 College Program, have an unfair advantage during the recruiting process? Interesting to see if there is a correlation from the Junior Club player continuing to the affiliated College D1 Program. If so, these Junior Programs are a real Goldmine.
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Post by Volleyfan024 on Apr 1, 2015 18:24:24 GMT -5
The NCAA must not see anything wrong with college coaches having club affiliations or there would be rules against it. Could be since men's volleyball is not a major NCAA sport. Also could be to allow high level coaches to develop young players.
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Post by volleyball20102011 on Apr 1, 2015 18:52:53 GMT -5
This happens a lot on the women's side too. There can be some gray area, but generally I think it's good. You get junior kids being trained by some really good coaches and raising the level of play. It isn't like EVERY kid in the club is going on the play at "x" college which is "affiliated" with the intercollegiate program.
Often times a college coach will run the club with their spouse as the "club director." It can also be an opportunity to pay the volunteer coach at the college some decent money.
I think there can be a lot of good with a college coaching staff being affiliated with a club. Obviously there can be some concern with illegal recruiting. But as long as the coaching staff keeps proper conduct there shouldn't be issues.
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Post by setback on Apr 1, 2015 19:12:26 GMT -5
I think that the college coaches that run clubs do a great job getting the players hooked up with any number of colleges. Its great PR for their club that the players go off and play for others.
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Post by HawaiiVB0630 on Apr 1, 2015 19:18:47 GMT -5
Another club recently made was A`o a Koa Volleyball Club and they have a direct connection with University of Hawaii (currently #1 in the United States).
A`o Koa qualified a 16's team for the open division by coming in 5th in the SCVA qualifier. They beat Ultimate, NCVC and SMBC.
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Post by beachdude on Apr 2, 2015 0:57:23 GMT -5
I think it is a great idea. The only restriction if I remember correctly is the player has to reside 50 miles from the academic institution. Or, is it 50 miles from club? Not sure. But I think it is great some of these coaches go out and give their time to develop talent. Afterall....any coach can do it, so how can that be unfair?
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Post by libero3 on Apr 2, 2015 7:36:04 GMT -5
I think it is a great idea. The only restriction if I remember correctly is the player has to reside 50 miles from the academic institution. Or, is it 50 miles from club? Not sure. But I think it is great some of these coaches go out and give their time to develop talent. Afterall....any coach can do it, so how can that be unfair? The mileage rule applies to the coach in relation to the club. Players can be from six states away if they want to. |
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Post by vboldschool on Apr 2, 2015 8:58:45 GMT -5
Loyola University Chicago is affiliated with a club called "D1". Not trying to hide anything with that name.
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Post by TheReignman on Apr 2, 2015 9:11:44 GMT -5
It's only D3, but Cal Wickens of Nazareth is heavily involved with Pace Bootlegger
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2015 9:39:27 GMT -5
Loyola University Chicago is affiliated with a club called "D1". Not trying to hide anything with that name. Yep. Not trying to hide anything. Members of both staffs at Loyola involved with D1. |
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Post by vb01 on Apr 2, 2015 10:00:29 GMT -5
I think it is a great idea. The only restriction if I remember correctly is the player has to reside 50 miles from the academic institution. Or, is it 50 miles from club? Not sure. But I think it is great some of these coaches go out and give their time to develop talent. Afterall....any coach can do it, so how can that be unfair? The mileage rule applies to the coach in relation to the club. Players can be from six states away if they want to. The mileage rule actually applies to both in a sense... if the club director also coaches at the college, then there can not be any players at the club outside of a 50mi radius from the college which the club director coaches for. The reasoning behind this: the NCAA feels that if the athlete lives within that 50mi radius then that college already has an advantage at recruiting said athlete over other colleges and where the club director coaches would not have any additional affect, however, if that athlete lives outside of the 50mi radius AND his club director were to coach at that college, then the NCAA feels that it gives that college an otherwise unfair recruiting advantage towards said athlete. Good 'ole NCAA logic. |
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Post by yorktowne12 on Apr 2, 2015 10:12:19 GMT -5
You have raised VERY real concernS. Do Junior Club programs, affiliated with a D1 College Program, have an unfair advantage during the recruiting process? Interesting to see if there is a correlation from the Junior Club player continuing to the affiliated College D1 Program. If so, these Junior Programs are a real Goldmine. I think its about the same. But I am sure connections go a long way. But that is no different then picking from two clubs not run by college coaches. You pick it on the coaching staff? Team? and connections they have to help you reach our goals? You do not need to have a college coach running your program to get your athletes committed! But you do have to be willing to do the work. Its a joint effort but we "yorktowne" have a fairly high recruiting rate here in good old PA but that is because the club and the athletes put in the work to reach their dreams of playing collegiate volleyball. Side note: Who wouldn't want to go learn from a collegiate coach over the local high school coach? People already pay $$ to go to camps for a few days why not have them for a few months for a few more $$. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2015 10:13:04 GMT -5
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Post by vbersmith on Apr 2, 2015 11:04:09 GMT -5
It would be interesting to see the number of players from a Junior Program go on to the affiliated College Program. Does it benefit the player or the coach more? Monetarily there is no question.
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