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Post by volleyballer4life on May 21, 2015 15:04:34 GMT -5
Here are real numbers from the AVCA Women's Volleyball Office: There are 1705 Women's College Volleyball Teams D I teams: 329 schools offering a total of $72,675,000 Athletic Scholarship Aid. DII teams: 299 schools offering a total of $45,000,000 iAthletic Scholarship Aid. D III teams: 428 schools offering Financial Aid and Academic Funding NCJCAA D1 teams: 97 schools offering a total of $4,275,000 Athletic Scholarship Aid. NCJCAA D II teams: 126 offering a total of $3,275,000 Athletic Scholarship Aid. NCJCAA D III teams: 92 schools offering Financial Aid and Academic Funding. NAIA 227 teams offering $40,000,000 Athletic Scholarship Aid. California Community Colleges: 87 schools offering Financial Aid and Academic Funding Northwest Community Colleges: 28 schools offering Financial Aid an Academic Funding This break down may help to demystify and direct families toward pursuing athletic scholarship aid, financial aid and academic funding options available to female volleyball players. Does it though? Those numbers look huge - but it doesn't give the full picture. Directly from the NCAA: Do many high school athletes earn athletics scholarships? Very few, in fact. About two percent of high school athletes are awarded athletics scholarships to compete in college. SourceAlso, while we are lucky that Division I is a headcount sport, the average amount each gender typically gets in athletic scholarship money was less than $15,000 as recently as 2013. SourceBy my math, your statistics above indicate that there is $165,225,000 of Scholarship Aid for athletes, which sounds like a lot until you consider academics provide $46,000,000,000 of free scholarship money available academically (That's $278.40 academically for every $1 of athletic money). SourceIf we're going to demystify it, we need to give them a fair comparison. All free money is nice - it's just a LOT harder to obtain athletically. Take it if it's available, but academics is a much less risky path by the numbers.
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Post by bc1900 on May 21, 2015 15:33:48 GMT -5
... If we're going to demystify it, we need to give them a fair comparison. All free money is nice - it's just a LOT harder to obtain athletically. Take it if it's available, but academics is a much less risky path by the numbers. Also factor in the cost of playing volleyball at an elite level in hopes of securing a VB scholarship. $3K to $5K a year for 6 to 8 years, approximately? Maybe more? Better to stick that money in a 529 plan and hit the books (IF you're playing volleyball primarily for the scholarship).
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Post by cardinalvolleyball on May 27, 2015 13:55:03 GMT -5
There might be more total $$ for academics, but there is way more atheltic $$/athlete then there is academic $$/college student. Just figure out how to do more than one thing at once and be good at sports and academics "$$ per average college student" perhaps, but not "$$ per college student with a 3.0+ GPA". Academic money is surprisingly easy to get, it does take some academic effort but it doesn't require 8 hours a day in the library studying. Additional benefits include no practice/training schedule, no injuries (talking about FB here) and no tolerating coach abuse (see Wake Forest). Also, so long as you maintain the 3.0, your scholarship can't be yanked. For DI this is true, because its all or nothing. For DII most schools stack academics on athletic scholarship. I guess it matters why you are playing club and where your priorities are. My guess is if you are thinking about dropping sports to study more then you are not prioritizing your studies high to begin with. The bigger reason that an athlete would drop out of club is if they are not seeing the pay-off with the amount of $$ their family is spending.
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Post by Paulj on Jun 1, 2015 6:38:38 GMT -5
I wish Pat Powers would stop being a source on College and Junior volleyball. To my knowledge his only experience in that area is running his roving camp circuit. Maybe you need more knowledge! Coach Powers has a list of accomplishments that most wouldn't even be bold enough to dream about.
Coach Pat was the USC men's vball coach for 6 years. One of three players to have won both the indoor and beach championship 11-time All American 2-time MVP USA Vball Nationals 1988 Voted best blocker AND spiker on the AVP Tour 1986 World Championship Gold medalist 1986 CO-MVP (with Kiraly) on Team USA 1985 World Cup Gold Medalist 1984 Olympic Gold Medalist 1980 NCAA Men's vball Champion 1979 Pan-American Team 1978 Jr. National Team
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Post by MsRSV on Jun 1, 2015 12:14:16 GMT -5
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Here is one thing All Youth MULTI-Sport Parents Need to Know - IT IS GOING TO SUCK.
While some coaches are cooperative, those that don't seem to give a s**t about you trying to do the right thing for your kid will absolutely make it difficult for you and your kid. And, lately, I find myself having no f**ks left to give to those types and have worked hard to find good coaches who get it.
AND the time and commitment expected for high school sports has gone through the roof. I used to be bitter at club sports, but now with her starting HS, I find that high school fall and winter sports start on June 1 with weights/agility, skill sessions and "open gym." Plus, team camps and mini-tourneys and all sorts of stuff. For the multi-kid also doing a single club sport, that means at least three things to do in the summer, at least.
I remember way back in the day when we played volleyball in the fall, basketball in the winter, track in the spring, and maybe one thing in the summer. Or we got job and worked. And spent time being teenagers at the lake.
So, while I am ranting, here is a little detail... HS BB weights/skills/games 4 days this week, HS VB weights/open gym 5 days this week, club VB three days this week, and club soccer that doesn't even start until August, 1 day this week. Two observations, club vb needs to end sooner - the season is about 4-6 weeks too long (it is stupid long) - and for the love of god, HS BB is a winter sport, why is there practice in June???
Luckily, my kiddo likes it all and she was willing to completely give up on summer track (can't even fit in a meet here and there, let alone practice) but we still have to help her moderate what is reasonable for a 14 yo to do in a week.
And she has a bike and we live in a biking nirvana so she can get herself to about 50% of what she does. I really don't know how other working parents get it all done. I have considered Ubering her to practice on more than one occasion.
I strongly hinted to her that just doing HS sports (VB, BB, Soccer/Track) would be fine this coming year, but she wants to try one more fall season of club soccer to prep for HS, and I don't see ever getting her out of club VB.
So, as a proponent of multi-sporters, I have to "walk the talk" and realize it's our choice to be in this silly situation and try to remember it is four years at most, and likely she will drop out of something along the way. I really hope it's the club stuff, I think HS sports are more valuable in the long term and wish those "lettters" carried the same prestige as the sweatshirts, tshirts, warmups and backpacks we buy from the clubs.
Anyway, be strong parents. It will suck, but you can do it.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Jun 1, 2015 12:45:24 GMT -5
I wish Pat Powers would stop being a source on College and Junior volleyball. To my knowledge his only experience in that area is running his roving camp circuit. Maybe you need more knowledge! Coach Powers has a list of accomplishments that most wouldn't even be bold enough to dream about.
Coach Pat was the USC men's vball coach for 6 years. One of three players to have won both the indoor and beach championship 11-time All American 2-time MVP USA Vball Nationals 1988 Voted best blocker AND spiker on the AVP Tour 1986 World Championship Gold medalist 1986 CO-MVP (with Kiraly) on Team USA 1985 World Cup Gold Medalist 1984 Olympic Gold Medalist 1980 NCAA Men's vball Champion 1979 Pan-American Team 1978 Jr. National Team
and none of that would make him anywhere close to an authority on college or jr volleyball.
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Post by sevb on Jun 1, 2015 13:58:31 GMT -5
How can one be an 11 time All American?
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Post by Kamali'i-7 on Jun 1, 2015 14:27:56 GMT -5
the answer is already in the post, for goodness sake. He was 2x USVBA Open National's MVP. I can only guess that the USAV name change is what threw you. '-) Someone could've also been an AA at JO's, too. I recall bitd when we were 14 (and under), 16 (and under) and 18's. Read more: volleytalk.proboards.com/posts/recent#ixzz3bqACkyQs
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2015 15:31:35 GMT -5
the answer is already in the post, for goodness sake. He was 2x USVBA Open National's MVP. I can only guess that the USAV name change is what threw you. '-) Someone could've also been an AA at JO's, too. I recall bitd when we were 14 (and under), 16 (and under) and 18's. Read more: volleytalk.net/posts/recent#ixzz3bqACkyQsI kind of think that club volleyball has changed a LOT in the last decade. A LOT. Has he been actively involved in club volleyball between the 70s (when he played) and now? I think that was the poster's point. I am sure the person is an expert, but the challenge was is he an expert on the topic at hand? Nothing in the list would make me consider him an expert (perhaps you have left something off).
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Post by vbman100 on Jun 2, 2015 8:55:30 GMT -5
Why did this turn into a 'bash Pat Powers' thread? I don't care one way or the other about the guy, but the OP was from a blogger who used one little piece of advice from Powers - college coaches look for three things 1) Can they play at our level, 2) Are they coachable, 3) Do they have a positive or negative impact on their team.
The first reply is someone bashing Powers, and you all take the bait. The blog isn't written by Powers, it doesn't have quote after quote from him, it doesn't use him as the way all college coaches think. I think most college coaches do look for the things the blogger says Powers looks for. Maybe other things as well.
The blogger also uses advice from John Kessel and John O'Sullivan. Let the bashing of those guys begin! (again).
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Post by 642fiddi on Jun 2, 2015 10:19:03 GMT -5
the answer is already in the post, for goodness sake. He was 2x USVBA Open National's MVP. I can only guess that the USAV name change is what threw you. '-) Someone could've also been an AA at JO's, too. I recall bitd when we were 14 (and under), 16 (and under) and 18's. Read more: volleytalk.net/posts/recent#ixzz3bqACkyQsI kind of think that club volleyball has changed a LOT in the last decade. A LOT. Has he been actively involved in club volleyball between the 70s (when he played) and now? I think that was the poster's point. I am sure the person is an expert, but the challenge was is he an expert on the topic at hand? Nothing in the list would make me consider him an expert (perhaps you have left something off). I think Pat Powers owns Moonlight Volleyball Club. His resume speaks for itself. You could take advice from much worse sources.
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Post by MsRSV on Jun 2, 2015 12:52:33 GMT -5
How can one be an 11 time All American? By being really f***ing good.
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Post by MsRSV on Jun 2, 2015 12:54:28 GMT -5
Why did this turn into a 'bash Pat Powers' thread? Because people are anon-holes.TM
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Post by bigfan on Jun 2, 2015 14:11:11 GMT -5
/Here is one thing All Youth MULTI-Sport Parents Need to Know - IT IS GOING TO SUCK. While some coaches are cooperative, those that don't seem to give a s**t about you trying to do the right thing for your kid will absolutely make it difficult for you and your kid. And, lately, I find myself having no f**ks left to give to those types and have worked hard to find good coaches who get it. Well stated! LMAO!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2015 21:16:48 GMT -5
I wish Pat Powers would stop being a source on College and Junior volleyball. To my knowledge his only experience in that area is running his roving camp circuit. Maybe you need more knowledge! Coach Powers has a list of accomplishments that most wouldn't even be bold enough to dream about.
Coach Pat was the USC men's vball coach for 6 years. One of three players to have won both the indoor and beach championship 11-time All American 2-time MVP USA Vball Nationals 1988 Voted best blocker AND spiker on the AVP Tour 1986 World Championship Gold medalist 1986 CO-MVP (with Kiraly) on Team USA 1985 World Cup Gold Medalist 1984 Olympic Gold Medalist 1980 NCAA Men's vball Champion 1979 Pan-American Team 1978 Jr. National Team
So he's been a coach for three years, and wasn't that successful. He's a great player, and there's no doubt about that. But the great player more often that not does not translate. Karch recently commented on this and how he is trying to break out of that mold.
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