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Post by Wiswell on Aug 29, 2015 15:51:23 GMT -5
I don't why so many people are acting like Badger fans are surprised at the impact of the absence of Thomas.
WE KNOW SHE HAD SPECIAL SKILLS THAT CANNOT BE REPLICATED. SHEESH.
I'm more concerned that they haven't quite figured out who gets the second ball on a consistent basis. But it's still early.
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Post by rainbowbadger on Aug 29, 2015 16:00:09 GMT -5
What she said about Thomas. Sheesh.
And Marey gets the second ball whenever possible. That's established in theory. They just need to get it down in practice.
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Post by bucky415 on Aug 29, 2015 16:08:52 GMT -5
It wasn't a pretty match, except for the third set, but at least they were able to pull out the second and get the win. The hitter coverage could be a lot better, and I hope Bates can cut down on the errors where she is just missing, but the team is clearly capable of doing a lot of good things. Williams had a stretch where she just dominated in the third set, and Duello was just hitting over people and snapping it down at times. Nelson had a good match, and Gillis has been the Badgers' best hitter thus far, in my opinion. MacDonald's serve has gotten a lot more aggressive and effective since the scrimmage, which is a good thing. I just hope the Badgers can get over these growing pains and play a strong match tonight. I have had enough interesting for the weekend, and Charleston is certainly capable of giving them trouble!
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Post by Wiswell on Aug 29, 2015 16:13:26 GMT -5
What she said about Thomas. Sheesh. And Morey gets the second ball whenever possible. That's established in theory. They just need to get it down in practice. Well that's why it's so perplexing. It seems like they are on the verge of knocking each other's heads like the three stooges half the time. If Morey is there, get out of the way!! That's who Carlini is passing to.
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Post by badgerbreath on Aug 29, 2015 16:19:32 GMT -5
I'm not having the feeling this preseason that our service game routinely knocks people out of their game. There are some bright spots, but not quite the same constant level of threat to the other sides ball control that I saw last year. It almost feels like the new players haven't entirely internalized the kind of system UW uses to win. It starts with aggressive serving.
They are still playing safe. It was interesting listening to the BTN PLus feed. The commentors kept going on and on about how there was nothing worse than a service error. It's a common sentiment. I wonder if the players have to take some time to get weened off that. Would explain Sheff's emphasis this year on the crowd reaction to SEs.
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Post by badgerbreath on Aug 29, 2015 16:21:45 GMT -5
What she said about Thomas. Sheesh. And Morey gets the second ball whenever possible. That's established in theory. They just need to get it down in practice. Well that's why it's so perplexing. It seems like they are on the verge of knocking each other's heads like the three stooges half the time. If Morey is there, get out of the way!! That's who Carlini is passing to. Well, I'm not even sure Morey is used to it. And she's playing with 2 new players. Gillis seems most often guilty about getting in the way. It's in her nature to go after everything. I can't tell if Morey is calling her off though.
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Post by Wiswell on Aug 29, 2015 17:03:37 GMT -5
I think you are right on both points in retrospect. One, that Gillis is most guilty, but for all the right reasons, and 2 that Morey isn't used to it either. It has been three years after all.
It is kind of neat when there are Munciana kids out there at the same time, although I dont know if Morey every actually played with Gillis given the age difference.
There has been a Munciana player for the Badgers every year since 2007!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2015 23:57:47 GMT -5
This couldn't make less sense. It's certainly an enormous overstatement, but Thomas did a ton of good things, and allowed Carlini to do what she does. Carlini is a risk taker/and envelope pusher, Thomas IMO gave her a high level of comfort to do that. I get your point, but get the original persons point as well. It was of course, in true vtalk fashion, totally overstated. The statement/idea that "Thomas saved Carlini" from anything is what makes absolutely no sense. Carlini had moxie and charisma before Thomas, and Thomas benefited greatly from Carlini. Wisconsin benefited enormously from Thomas' skill set, her selflessness (she wanted to be a hitter), and her leadership, but Carlini, individually, didn't IMO. I don't know what Thomas could have done to give Carlini a high level of comfort to be herself. Thomas was, of course, completely invaluable to that team.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2015 0:00:22 GMT -5
And Marey gets the second ball whenever possible. That's established in theory. They just need to get it down in practice. I don't think they're having trouble with this idea in practice. All of these players are familiar with this system.
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Post by BuckysHeat on Aug 30, 2015 10:36:29 GMT -5
Well, I'm not even sure Morey is used to it. And she's playing with 2 new players. Gillis seems most often guilty about getting in the way. It's in her nature to go after everything. I can't tell if Morey is calling her off though. It sure looked like Morey did have a couple of talkings to to Gillis yesterday about getting in her way. At least 3 balls where Gillis got in the way on a serve receive or dig where Taylor sort of let her know where she should be after the play. I would like to see more of Kriskova's serve, her only one so far shocked a lot of people in the fieldhouse who were not expecting an actual jump serve with so much power, the gasp was pretty fun to hear. Of course, Amber's serving runs have been pretty awesome as well, love that little sparkplug. I felt so bad for her when the score was 24-23 and she put it in the net. She kept her head though and had a nice bump backset to Bates to finish it. I know Sheff wants us to not groan when the serve goes in the net, that was a difficult one to control though as everybody in the stands was so pumped with it being set point. Also interesting that Saunders has not seen a single play yet. I am not too surprised about some of the others that have not played yet but thought Saunders would get some looks by now. It will be interesting to see what roles Smith and Juley play this year, I have not seen them serve during warmups yet and they are not involved in most of the other warmups as well
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Post by Trojan on Aug 30, 2015 10:57:56 GMT -5
I'm not having the feeling this preseason that our service game routinely knocks people out of their game. There are some bright spots, but not quite the same constant level of threat to the other sides ball control that I saw last year. It almost feels like the new players haven't entirely internalized the kind of system UW uses to win. It starts with aggressive serving. They are still playing safe. It was interesting listening to the BTN PLus feed. The commentors kept going on and on about how there was nothing worse than a service error. It's a common sentiment. I wonder if the players have to take some time to get weened off that. Would explain Sheff's emphasis this year on the crowd reaction to SEs. I'm not disagreeing with you here, but they've only played 3 matches and they're still trying to figure things out. And as they do, I would imagine their service game and level of threat will get stronger. Same with the new players on the team... they're figuring things out. I don't think it should be expected for the new players to fully internalize the new system by match 1... its soooo early still. I'm sure they understand the expectations, now its just a matter of practicing and fine-tuning those skills. I feel like everyone (not pointing directly to you, Badgerbreath) is so quick to comment about what they're doing right and wrong and forget there is a learning curve that requires time for adjustment. At the end of the day, I'm perfectly comfortable knowing that they're growing, learning, evolving and they recognize what needs work. Matches are the true test that help identify what to take back to practice.
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Post by badgerbreath on Aug 30, 2015 11:41:21 GMT -5
I'm not having the feeling this preseason that our service game routinely knocks people out of their game. There are some bright spots, but not quite the same constant level of threat to the other sides ball control that I saw last year. It almost feels like the new players haven't entirely internalized the kind of system UW uses to win. It starts with aggressive serving. They are still playing safe. It was interesting listening to the BTN PLus feed. The commentors kept going on and on about how there was nothing worse than a service error. It's a common sentiment. I wonder if the players have to take some time to get weened off that. Would explain Sheff's emphasis this year on the crowd reaction to SEs. I'm not disagreeing with you here, but they've only played 3 matches and they're still trying to figure things out. And as they do, I would imagine their service game and level of threat will get stronger. Same with the new players on the team... they're figuring things out. I don't think it should be expected for the new players to fully internalize the new system by match 1... its soooo early still. I'm sure they understand the expectations, now its just a matter of practicing and fine-tuning those skills. I feel like everyone (not pointing directly to you, Badgerbreath) is so quick to comment about what they're doing right and wrong and forget there is a learning curve that requires time for adjustment. At the end of the day, I'm perfectly comfortable knowing that they're growing, learning, evolving and they recognize what needs work. Matches are the true test that help identify what to take back to practice. Can't speak for others, but you may miss my intent. I actually am fully aware that there are a lot of new faces who have practiced only a short time together and have a lot to learn. But I actually really like tracing that learning curve; it's part of what makes the narrative of this season for the badgers so darn interesting, and so different to last year. I'm also very data oriented - and I mean that in the broad sense, not simply the statistics sense. So assessing how they're playing at any one point in time, good and bad, is part of tracing that curve, and developing that narrative for the season. Having that narrative in mind ends up making me feel much more connected to the team than simply tracking whether they win or lose. It's the real benefit of this board that I can do that whereas I couldn't really in the past. I'd rather they had won against WKU, and was disappointed they didn't, because I think the talent and knowledge is all there. It was maybe more disappointing because they started out on fire in that match. However, to me it is a given that such setbacks will happen this year. I was more interested in how they'd respond to that this weekend, and whether we'd see those disjointed aspects of play that WKU exploited get addressed. That actually seemed to happen! You could see real progress being made. The team was really figuring it out -- which I find very VERY encouraging. They have the talent, but that ability to learn and grow on the fly, and the presence of the leadership to allow that to happen, well, it isn't a given. If you see my posts for that Charleston thread you will see that opinion developing in real time. I will say the last part of that post you quoted was speculating too far. That's me trying to tell a story a little too enthusiastically. It happens some times.
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Post by badgerbreath on Aug 30, 2015 11:44:47 GMT -5
I'm not disagreeing with you here, but they've only played 3 matches and they're still trying to figure things out. And as they do, I would imagine their service game and level of threat will get stronger. Same with the new players on the team... they're figuring things out. I don't think it should be expected for the new players to fully internalize the new system by match 1... its soooo early still. I'm sure they understand the expectations, now its just a matter of practicing and fine-tuning those skills. I feel like everyone (not pointing directly to you, Badgerbreath) is so quick to comment about what they're doing right and wrong and forget there is a learning curve that requires time for adjustment. At the end of the day, I'm perfectly comfortable knowing that they're growing, learning, evolving and they recognize what needs work. Matches are the true test that help identify what to take back to practice. Can't speak for others, but you may miss my intent. I actually am fully aware that there are a lot of new faces who have practiced only a short time together and have a lot to learn. But I actually really like tracing that learning curve; it's part of what makes the narrative of this season for the badgers so darn interesting, and so different to last year. I'm also very data oriented - and I mean that in the broad sense, not simply the statistics sense. So assessing how they're playing at any one point in time, good and bad, is part of tracing that curve, and developing that narrative for the season. Having that narrative in mind ends up making me feel much more connected to the team than simply tracking whether they win or lose. It's the real benefit of this board that I can do that whereas I couldn't really in the past. I'd rather they had won against WKU, and was disappointed they didn't, because I think the talent and knowledge is all there. It was maybe more disappointing because they started out on fire in that match. However, to me it is a given that such setbacks will happen this year. I was more interested in how they'd respond to that this weekend, and whether we'd see those disjointed aspects of play that WKU exploited get addressed. That actually seemed to happen! You could see real progress being made. The team was really figuring it out -- which I find very VERY encouraging. They have the talent, but that ability to learn and grow on the fly, and the presence of the leadership to allow that to happen, well, it isn't a given. If you see my posts for that Charleston thread you will see that opinion developing in real time. I will say the last part of that post you quoted was speculating too far. That's me trying to tell a story a little too enthusiastically. It happens some times. It's probably worth noting that it seems worthwhile to track the team's trajectory precisely because I really expect this team will get better from game to game this year. I have high hopes for the end of the season.
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Post by Trojan on Aug 30, 2015 12:03:56 GMT -5
Can't speak for others, but you may miss my intent. I actually am fully aware that there are a lot of new faces who have practiced only a short time together and have a lot to learn. But I actually really like tracing that learning curve; it's part of what makes the narrative of this season for the badgers so darn interesting, and so different to last year. I'm also very data oriented - and I mean that in the broad sense, not simply the statistics sense. So assessing how they're playing at any one point in time, good and bad, is part of tracing that curve, and developing that narrative for the season. Having that narrative in mind ends up making me feel much more connected to the team than simply tracking whether they win or lose. It's the real benefit of this board that I can do that whereas I couldn't really in the past. I'd rather they had won against WKU, and was disappointed they didn't, because I think the talent and knowledge is all there. It was maybe more disappointing because they started out on fire in that match. However, to me it is a given that such setbacks will happen this year. I was more interested in how they'd respond to that this weekend, and whether we'd see those disjointed aspects of play that WKU exploited get addressed. That actually seemed to happen! You could see real progress being made. The team was really figuring it out -- which I find very VERY encouraging. They have the talent, but that ability to learn and grow on the fly, and the presence of the leadership to allow that to happen, well, it isn't a given. If you see my posts for that Charleston thread you will see that opinion developing in real time. I will say the last part of that post you quoted was speculating too far. That's me trying to tell a story a little too enthusiastically. It happens some times. It's probably worth noting that it seems worthwhile to track the team's trajectory precisely because I really expect this team will get better from game to game this year. I have high hopes for the end of the season. It's all good, Badgerbreath and I appreciate your response.
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Post by bucky415 on Aug 30, 2015 12:41:42 GMT -5
Kriskova wasn't serving because MacDonald was serving very disruptively and helping the Badgers to get need scoring runs. The missed serve on set point was tough, but a couple inches higher and it would've been an ace.
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