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Post by Not Me on Sept 3, 2015 13:52:00 GMT -5
Putting super teams together only helps the ego and the wallet of the adults running the program.
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Post by vbkid111 on Sept 3, 2015 13:57:56 GMT -5
TBVA and OVA merged, creating the largest volleyball club in the country. The new CEO (Bob Gries) is a highly intelligent man who has bought and sold companies (including several sports teams) with great success, and is considered the 'Warren Buffet' of energy and sports teams companies. What is your opnion on buying a volleyball club (with kids ages 10-18) to create a dominant force in club volleyball? His modus operandi to date has been to fund much of the top team kids expenses (and for some pay for private school), I assume to justify offsetting the time and expense to get to and from practice, some kids coming from 3-4 hours away from Tampa Bay, and I assume this will continue, as he creates another even more dominant set of super teams, now that the top Orlando club is in the mix.
I am interested in hearing opinions of those who have been there done that (kids already played club or far along) as well as parents (like me) that have 'younger' kids competing in club. Please be careful what you say about an individual or club funding amateur athletes' expenses for club (and even private school), unless you are trying to tip an invstigation. |
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Post by gouci on Sept 3, 2015 14:22:11 GMT -5
If a club administrator is paying for kids to play at their club, here's a scenario where a conflict of interest can arise. The kids feel indebted to the administrator so he can pretty much steer them to go play at his favorite college. If the administrator happens to be classified as a booster at his favorite college then that's an NCAA violation. He becomes like a "runner" paying kids to influence them to sign at a certain school.
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Post by gouci on Sept 3, 2015 14:36:17 GMT -5
In tennis, a prospective student-athlete may accept up to $10,000 per year in prize money. Once he or she has accepted $10,000 in prize money in a particular year, he or she may accept additional prize money on a per-event basis as long as the amount of the prize does not exceed his or her expenses. A current tennis student-athlete may accept prize money as long as the amount of the prize is less than or equal to his or her expenses for participating in the competition.
Tennis players can accept up to $10,000 a year? No wonder they have ex-professional, foreign players, 21 year old freshmen in college women's tennis. |
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Post by play2win on Sept 3, 2015 15:30:19 GMT -5
Putting super teams together only helps the ego and the wallet of the adults running the program. |
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Post by play2win on Sept 3, 2015 15:32:59 GMT -5
Oops! I meant to quote the OP, but you get the idea.
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Post by bkedane on Sept 3, 2015 16:44:28 GMT -5
Sounds like some people are trying to guess what matters for future NCAA eligibility and what does not. Maybe it would better, as some have done, to look up the rules.
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Post by truthandjustice on Sept 3, 2015 16:44:35 GMT -5
Amateur status is still intact when a sports team pays for the necessary and actual expenses of a player in their club. They can pay for room (hotel if needed) and board, transportation, all of it. They cannot however pay a salary Sorry to burst your bubble.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2015 17:12:50 GMT -5
So anyhow, back to my original question (lets all assume that no NCAA violations have occurred at TBVA or OVA, or please start another thread about that topic) Perhaps I should have labeled the forum "what should a parent of young volleyball players expect at club volleyball open level?" We have wrung our hands over the decision to let our young girls play for a club that mostly competes at the open level, has won several national championships, makes it clear that is important (but the directors made it clear that the primary goal is to develop a love for the game)...in our prior club, we only saw the lower divisions (American and USA) play at qualifiers and nationals...during and after matches we are able to go meet other team parents, we can laugh and joke about our losses, congrats to the other team, etc...our girls loved it, and we loved it...almost always we left with a smile, even if we lost more than we won Does this all change at the open level? In other words, does it become all consuming? When I heard that TBVA paid 7 figures for OVA I wondered if we had misjudged what we are getting into? As I said earlier, part of me is excited to see the 'super teams' that Mr Gries produces... Thanks for any opinions about that topic There is no difference in the goals at different levels. The goal is to develop all the players into better players. To do that effectively it is important that you are playing the best teams you can so that you improve (instead of sitting around taking it easy because the competition is not there). Having the different divisions allows teams to play competitive teams at their level and improve. Open is competitive because the girls that make it to that level want to get better and many have high hopes of playing at the next level. The kids are alright, it is the parents that need to be filtered. There are a lot of delusional people out there... Fortunately, you are NOT on the team with the parents and are not related to them. Associate with them or ignore them, it is your choice. A lot of coaches push Tressel's (sp?) articles about "it is not the amount of playing time" and practice and development is more important. Winning is desired but developing the players is more important. It is like america, we are a diverse set of people and do not agree on everything. There are so many volleyball clubs, you will find all sorts just like you will find all sorts of people in america. |
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Post by dorothymantooth on Sept 3, 2015 17:26:07 GMT -5
Putting super teams together only helps the ego and the wallet of the adults running the program. Travel between Orlando & Tampa wouldn't take 3-4 hours on the worst day of traffic on I-4. Well... possibly on the absolute worst day. Traveling south from Jacksonville to Tampa, or north from Miami to Tampa is more of a 3-4 hour commute. Although that kind of commitment 4-5 days/week to play juniors vball sounds absurd to me. The idea of a mega-super juniors club is 100% in the interest of the club owners, directors & coaches IMO. Sounds like the only motivation here is revenue & bragging rights. I'm kinda feeling bad for these young athletes in advance  It's a business move. Two great clubs in different parts of the state joining forces. Not sure how this makes teams better than they are, they will still have the same coaches training in TB and in Orlando, and the best kids in Orlando will be playing with the best kids in Orlando just like they will in Tampa. Do people think the best kids from those areas are going to be driving and training with the other? The commute wouldnt be absurd as it would be totally unneccesary. Are either of those clubs struggling to put strong teams on the floor, or get kids into college programs. This is a business decision that will have little or no impact on the volleyball product. |
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Post by floridaLOG on Sept 3, 2015 23:40:51 GMT -5
Travel between Orlando & Tampa wouldn't take 3-4 hours on the worst day of traffic on I-4. Well... possibly on the absolute worst day. Traveling south from Jacksonville to Tampa, or north from Miami to Tampa is more of a 3-4 hour commute. Although that kind of commitment 4-5 days/week to play juniors vball sounds absurd to me. The idea of a mega-super juniors club is 100% in the interest of the club owners, directors & coaches IMO. Sounds like the only motivation here is revenue & bragging rights. I'm kinda feeling bad for these young athletes in advance It's a business move. Two great clubs in different parts of the state joining forces. Not sure how this makes teams better than they are, they will still have the same coaches training in TB and in Orlando, and the best kids in Orlando will be playing with the best kids in Orlando just like they will in Tampa. Do people think the best kids from those areas are going to be driving and training with the other? The commute wouldnt be absurd as it would be totally unneccesary. Are either of those clubs struggling to put strong teams on the floor, or get kids into college programs. This is a business decision that will have little or no impact on the volleyball product. I think parents are sacrificing a lot more nowadays to have their kids on the best teams. Especially in Florida the culture seems to be commute driven. Ive seen girls drive 2 hours both ways for club, I have seen cases of people driving 3 and a half hours both ways for their kids to be on the best teams. I think they believe being on the best team in Florida and one of the best in the nation means more attention from college scouts. You also have to remember if a scout hears you're from a club like TAV, SPRI, or any other "brand name" club it does help a little, coaches trust those clubs to produce talent, and OVA, and Tampa Bay have great track records, so you are also commuting so that your daughter can have that club name associated with her, this is at least how it seems to me |
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Post by rockhopper on Sept 4, 2015 7:10:51 GMT -5
Tell me if I'm wrong but isn't this TBVA is a fairly new club, two or three years only? While their track record is great, it isn't very long. TBVA isn't the Tampa Bay Juniors club of Randy Dagostino and Jordan Burgess fame.
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Post by sevb on Sept 4, 2015 7:37:01 GMT -5
You are correct...TBVA is a very new product..
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Post by dorothymantooth on Sept 4, 2015 7:59:21 GMT -5
Tell me if I'm wrong but isn't this TBVA is a fairly new club, two or three years only? While their track record is great, it isn't very long. TBVA isn't the Tampa Bay Juniors club of Randy Dagostino and Jordan Burgess fame. aaaah. I was mistaken, I thought the Tampa outfit OVA merged with was TB juniors. |
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Post by dorothymantooth on Sept 4, 2015 8:00:02 GMT -5
Tell me if I'm wrong but isn't this TBVA is a fairly new club, two or three years only? While their track record is great, it isn't very long. TBVA isn't the Tampa Bay Juniors club of Randy Dagostino and Jordan Burgess fame. aaaah. I was mistaken, I thought the Tampa outfit OVA merged with was TB juniors. |
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