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Post by bigfanofbigfan on Oct 11, 2015 15:36:59 GMT -5
Based on this week's performance only, I put UW as the #1 team in the Pac12, followed by Stanford and then UCLA
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Post by pacman on Oct 11, 2015 17:55:38 GMT -5
Based on this week's performance only, I put UW as the #1 team in the Pac12, followed by Stanford and then UCLA 1 week meaningless. SC best team in Pac. Then UW. After that #3-7 are up for debate. ( and the health of Gardner and Burgess)
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Post by claw on Oct 11, 2015 19:43:22 GMT -5
I understood your point. My reply isn't "nonsensical" - it's what any coach who has actually prepared for two conference matches per week will tell you. I'm not speaking about merely two conference matches a week, but two visiting opponents (one strong and one weak). That there would be equal prep time for both is nonsensical. So, how many college coaches are you in weekly conversation with? (Yeah, right.)
This is my favorite kind of post at Volleytalk -- when someone, in this case redbeard2008, has no idea who is replying to and makes a fool out of himself by trying to correct a professional about what his job is like. Anonymity and semi-anonymity are wonderful things.
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Post by mikegarrison on Oct 11, 2015 21:09:59 GMT -5
Standings:
(1) USC 6-0 (2) Washington 5-1 (3) ASU 4-2 (10) Stanford 4-2 (9) UCLA 4-2 (17) Arizona 3-3 (39) Oregon 3-3 (53) Colorado 2-4 (124) OSU 2-4 (47) WSU 2-4 (77) Utah 1-5 (107) Cal 0-6
(Oct 5 pablo rankings)
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Post by redbeard2008 on Oct 11, 2015 22:58:31 GMT -5
I'm not speaking about merely two conference matches a week, but two visiting opponents (one strong and one weak). That there would be equal prep time for both is nonsensical. So, how many college coaches are you in weekly conversation with? (Yeah, right.)
This is my favorite kind of post at Volleytalk -- when someone, in this case redbeard2008, has no idea who is replying to and makes a fool out of himself by trying to correct a professional about what his job is like. Anonymity and semi-anonymity are wonderful things.
If he wants to identify himself as a coach, then he should do so. All I'm seeing is somebody claiming he knows what coaches think. I see no reason to change what I posted. I'm sure when Stanford and Cal come to Seattle, UW will be spending a little extra time on Stanford.
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Post by Cruz'n on Oct 12, 2015 0:50:36 GMT -5
This is my favorite kind of post at Volleytalk -- when someone, in this case redbeard2008, has no idea who is replying to and makes a fool out of himself by trying to correct a professional about what his job is like. Anonymity and semi-anonymity are wonderful things.
If he wants to identify himself as a coach, then he should do so. All I'm seeing is somebody claiming he knows what coaches think. I see no reason to change what I posted. I'm sure when Stanford and Cal come to Seattle, UW will be spending a little extra time on Stanford. You are right RedBeard. Each of 12 teams has a "traveling partner," if you will. You want your traveling partner to be very good. Dunning loves it (or should I say loved it) when Cal is (was) very strong team. Because then when he travels to NorthWest, or Arizonas, or SoCal, his foes have to spend equal prep time on Cal and Stanford. But when one team is much stronger, then more time is spent preparing for that team. This can also help the "weaker team," because your foes will not have spent as much time preparing for you, allowing you to "sneak up" on them. In this way, with Gardner getting injured, it not only hurts ASU, but also Arizona; because now teams will be focusing more on Arizona. Oregon has it tough this year, because their opponents likely spend more time preparing for them, than they do for OSU. I would expect the same goes for Stanford. As for USC & UCLA: although USC is better, UCLA is good enough to where it would be foolish to not spend as much time as possible preparing for them. My guess is it would be 50-50, but that is just a guess.
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Post by claw on Oct 12, 2015 5:35:54 GMT -5
This is my favorite kind of post at Volleytalk -- when someone, in this case redbeard2008, has no idea who is replying to and makes a fool out of himself by trying to correct a professional about what his job is like. Anonymity and semi-anonymity are wonderful things.
If he wants to identify himself as a coach, then he should do so. All I'm seeing is somebody claiming he knows what coaches think. I see no reason to change what I posted. I'm sure when Stanford and Cal come to Seattle, UW will be spending a little extra time on Stanford. All I'm seeing is someone, you, claiming to know how match preparation works each week telling someone who does it every week that he doesn't know what's involved in it. If you think you're right then do stand by your informed position.
I'll try one time to explain his point and then go back to laughing. Use your example of Stanford and Cal coming to Seattle. In some years both teams have been very strong. In those years assume, just for example, that UW staff as a group spend 100 work hours doing full preparation for each team. In a year like this one in which Cal is very weak, it's possible though not guaranteed that less work might go into preparing for Cal. Your claim was that this means that more prep time will be spent getting ready for Stanford than in years when Cal is great. What he knows is that this isn't correct. Whatever time savings there might be when Cal is so weak will not make a difference in how much preparation goes towards Stanford. This is because UW is doing full preparation for Stanford every year. That takes 100 hours and they put in that much time each year no matter how good Stanford's travel partner is. As he says, there is more than enough time to do full preparation for two opponents each week. So even in a year when both teams are excellent UW has time to do full preparation and that's what they do. If they need less time to prepare for Cal the extra time will be spent on something else.
Will UW be spending "a little extra time" on Stanford this year compared to year's in which Cal is also a very strong opponent? No. UW will do the same full preparation they do every year for Stanford and that will take the same amount of time it takes each year.
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Post by bkedane on Oct 12, 2015 9:29:52 GMT -5
If he wants to identify himself as a coach, then he should do so. All I'm seeing is somebody claiming he knows what coaches think. I see no reason to change what I posted. I'm sure when Stanford and Cal come to Seattle, UW will be spending a little extra time on Stanford. All I'm seeing is someone, you, claiming to know how match preparation works each week telling someone who does it every week that he doesn't know what's involved in it. If you think you're right then do stand by your informed position.
I'll try one time to explain his point and then go back to laughing. Use your example of Stanford and Cal coming to Seattle. In some years both teams have been very strong. In those years assume, just for example, that UW staff as a group spend 100 work hours doing full preparation for each team. In a year like this one in which Cal is very weak, it's possible though not guaranteed that less work might go into preparing for Cal. Your claim was that this means that more prep time will be spent getting ready for Stanford than in years when Cal is great. What he knows is that this isn't correct. Whatever time savings there might be when Cal is so weak will not make a difference in how much preparation goes towards Stanford. This is because UW is doing full preparation for Stanford every year. That takes 100 hours and they put in that much time each year no matter how good Stanford's travel partner is. As he says, there is more than enough time to do full preparation for two opponents each week. So even in a year when both teams are excellent UW has time to do full preparation and that's what they do. If they need less time to prepare for Cal the extra time will be spent on something else.
Will UW be spending "a little extra time" on Stanford this year compared to year's in which Cal is also a very strong opponent? No. UW will do the same full preparation they do every year for Stanford and that will take the same amount of time it takes each year.
Here is the last thing I'll say about it. If I had only a few hours of time that could be spent preparing for two upcoming opponents then redbeard's point would be right. Time that isn't needed for one opponent would add to what I could do preparing for the other opponent. As I pointed out, however, preparation time is not scarce like that. Any time saved because one of two opponents is exceptionally weak compared to the other and to my team is not needed towards preparation for the other opponent. We already have enough time for that. Any time saved will go towards something else.
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