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Post by claw on Oct 8, 2015 10:56:11 GMT -5
Watching last night's match at Nebraska I was distracted regularly by the line judge on the up official's side of the court. For any ball approaching the end line he would abruptly move from a standing position to what looked like a deep crouch leg split position. It looked like he was trying to get his eyes closer to the end line. He'd then signal from that posed position or would stand up sometimes when raising his flag to signal out. The other line judge didn't make this dramatic sort of move. He'd turn his body slightly to the end line or the side line and then signal with his flag in or out or touch. I was surprised to see the large difference especially now that there is much more serious line judge training than there used to be in major conference volleyball.
For the officials out there, are line judges trained in one of these two ways? Or is it up to line judges how much they want to jump around or crouch or stand still? I would expect line judges to see better while standing still. Do officials want line judges jumping around and going into the splits to make end line calls? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2015 11:00:20 GMT -5
I'd be more demonstrative when I line judge, but I'm old. Flexibility may have something to do with it.
Those guys were calling touches they could not possibly see.
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Post by vboldskool on Oct 8, 2015 11:19:59 GMT -5
The big theme the last few years in officiating has been "get the call right". Line judges should move as needed to make the best call possible so long as they don't interfere with play. Some are more demonstrative than others, so long as they are working to make the right call, I can live with it. Imagine if Marvin Hall was doing lines - That would be some entertainment!
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Post by vbmom10 on Oct 8, 2015 11:39:47 GMT -5
Watching last night's match at Nebraska I was distracted regularly by the line judge on the up official's side of the court. For any ball approaching the end line he would abruptly move from a standing position to what looked like a deep crouch leg split position. It looked like he was trying to get his eyes closer to the end line. He'd then signal from that posed position or would stand up sometimes when raising his flag to signal out. The other line judge didn't make this dramatic sort of move. He'd turn his body slightly to the end line or the side line and then signal with his flag in or out or touch. I was surprised to see the large difference especially now that there is much more serious line judge training than there used to be in major conference volleyball.
For the officials out there, are line judges trained in one of these two ways? Or is it up to line judges how much they want to jump around or crouch or stand still? I would expect line judges to see better while standing still. Do officials want line judges jumping around and going into the splits to make end line calls? One call made in game 4 (I think) he moved from the corner to the end line to watch a ball go outside the antenna and called it out--all around us were startled to see him standing on the end line--- |
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Oct 8, 2015 12:10:42 GMT -5
I'd be more demonstrative when I line judge, but I'm old. Flexibility may have something to do with it. T En-riquo Pal-azzo! En-riquo Pal-azzo! |
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Post by s0uthie on Oct 8, 2015 12:17:07 GMT -5
Watching last night's match at Nebraska I was distracted regularly by the line judge on the up official's side of the court. For any ball approaching the end line he would abruptly move from a standing position to what looked like a deep crouch leg split position. It looked like he was trying to get his eyes closer to the end line. He'd then signal from that posed position or would stand up sometimes when raising his flag to signal out. The other line judge didn't make this dramatic sort of move. He'd turn his body slightly to the end line or the side line and then signal with his flag in or out or touch. I was surprised to see the large difference especially now that there is much more serious line judge training than there used to be in major conference volleyball.
For the officials out there, are line judges trained in one of these two ways? Or is it up to line judges how much they want to jump around or crouch or stand still? I would expect line judges to see better while standing still. Do officials want line judges jumping around and going into the splits to make end line calls? One call made in game 4 (I think) he moved from the corner to the end line to watch a ball go outside the antenna and called it out--all around us were startled to see him standing on the end line--- This is mandatory for international line judges (the bending, as well as repositioning for antennae calls). They really emphasized this at the Grand Prix in Omaha this summer. A lot of the better Midwest referees were working and made comments about this. |
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Post by bkedane on Oct 8, 2015 12:41:02 GMT -5
Moving to get a better angle from which to view the antenna call makes sense. Bending over or doing the splits does not.
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Post by thesnakeguy on Oct 8, 2015 12:41:30 GMT -5
Watching last night's match at Nebraska I was distracted regularly by the line judge on the up official's side of the court. For any ball approaching the end line he would abruptly move from a standing position to what looked like a deep crouch leg split position. It looked like he was trying to get his eyes closer to the end line. He'd then signal from that posed position or would stand up sometimes when raising his flag to signal out. The other line judge didn't make this dramatic sort of move. He'd turn his body slightly to the end line or the side line and then signal with his flag in or out or touch. I was surprised to see the large difference especially now that there is much more serious line judge training than there used to be in major conference volleyball.
For the officials out there, are line judges trained in one of these two ways? Or is it up to line judges how much they want to jump around or crouch or stand still? I would expect line judges to see better while standing still. Do officials want line judges jumping around and going into the splits to make end line calls? One call made in game 4 (I think) he moved from the corner to the end line to watch a ball go outside the antenna and called it out--all around us were startled to see him standing on the end line--- Lining yourself up to see if a ball coming from outside the court makes it within the antennae is absolutely the right thing to be doing. |
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Post by ugopher on Oct 8, 2015 12:44:39 GMT -5
I think back to the Nebraska/Penn State match last week when the line judge to the right of the R2 missed a call (called the ball out) because he was a good 2 feet away from the sideline. Poor positioning on his part.
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Post by dkh on Oct 8, 2015 12:48:34 GMT -5
The big theme the last few years in officiating has been "get the call right". Line judges should move as needed to make the best call possible so long as they don't interfere with play. Some are more demonstrative than others, so long as they are working to make the right call, I can live with it. Imagine if Marvin Hall was doing lines - That would be some entertainment! Marvin does call lines. Or at least he did as of last year. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2015 12:57:38 GMT -5
It's a very difficult call -- outside the antennae. There really isn't a position that is optimal, other than overhead. And good luck with that.
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Oct 8, 2015 13:27:36 GMT -5
I'd like to recommend some of Hawaii's dumbass line judges for training. There is one in particular who obviously needs glasses.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2015 13:35:34 GMT -5
I'd like to recommend some of Hawaii's dumbass line judges for training. There is one in particular who obviously needs glasses. Only about 1/2 of the time though correct? The 1/2 where the call goes against your team and you feel you had a better look at it? |
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Oct 8, 2015 13:48:07 GMT -5
I'd like to recommend some of Hawaii's dumbass line judges for training. There is one in particular who obviously needs glasses. Only about 1/2 of the time though correct? The 1/2 where the call goes against your team and you feel you had a better look at it? Hawai'i has had the majority of questionable calls go against them at home (like the refs are trying to overcompensate the visiting team)-It's annoying but part of the game. This line judge that I am talking about is bad, he's made numerous bad calls and yes, I have had a better look at it granted it's not a gametime look but a look nonetheless, me and everybody else in the arena watching the replay on the jumbotron. |
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Post by tomclen on Oct 8, 2015 13:59:10 GMT -5
The big theme the last few years in officiating has been "get the call right". Line judges should move as needed to make the best call possible so long as they don't interfere with play. Some are more demonstrative than others, so long as they are working to make the right call, I can live with it. Imagine if Marvin Hall was doing lines - That would be some entertainment! Too bad Detective Frank Drebin never got to be a line judge. |
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