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Post by mikegarrison on Oct 24, 2015 22:54:16 GMT -5
Standings:
(1) USC 9-0 (2) Washington 8-2 (5) UCLA 7-2 (12) Stanford 7-3 (11) ASU 6-4 (41) Colorado 5-5 (33) Oregon 4-5 (16) Arizona 3-6 (48) WSU 3-6 (101) OSU 2-7 (105) Cal 1-8 (86) Utah 1-8
(Oct 19 pablo rankings)
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Post by mikegarrison on Oct 24, 2015 22:55:13 GMT -5
I'm home.
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Post by bigdfromla on Oct 25, 2015 1:47:19 GMT -5
USC missed a golden opportunity by failing to publicize Samantha Bricio, a truly special player, to the L.A. community. I think that last year, before the start of her Junior year, they should have promoted Samantha and USC volleyball to the large Mexican and Mexican-American community of the greater Los Angeles area. These are passionate fans who would love watching Samantha, if they only knew about her and her amazing talent. They would be coming to the Galen Center in droves to see her play and they would take amazing pride that the best player on the USC Women of Troy (who is now the best college volleyball player in the country) is a young woman from Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico like so many now in L.A. USC really dropped the ball on this one and her USC career will be done in less than two months.
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Post by memorybankrupt on Oct 25, 2015 3:00:46 GMT -5
USC missed a golden opportunity by failing to publicize Samantha Bricio, a truly special player, to the L.A. community. I think that last year, before the start of her Junior year, they should have promoted Samantha and USC volleyball to the large Mexican and Mexican-American community of the greater Los Angeles area. These are passionate fans who would love watching Samantha, if they only knew about her and her amazing talent. They would be coming to the Galen Center in droves to see her play and they would take amazing pride that the best player on the USC Women of Troy (who is now the best college volleyball player in the country) is a young woman from Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico like so many now in L.A. USC really dropped the ball on this one and her USC career will be done in less than two months. Perhaps. But are Mexicans that big on volleyball? I honestly don't know but I would guess it wouldn't match their interest in a sport like soccer. On the other hand if a men's college team in LA were to have a star Iranian player and they weren't marketing the hell out of that player, then that would be dropping the ball.
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Post by dd2000 on Oct 25, 2015 8:18:41 GMT -5
First off, your stats are for single games, not average attendance. Last season UW had the highest game when they played Stanford (8600+). At year's end Washington was #6 nationally and I belIeve has been been in the top 10 for at least the last decade. According to the NCAA web site (stats.ncaa.org), Washington was #4 last year in attendance per match and #13 in 2013. I don't know if those numbers include NCAA tournament games. Washington is currently #25 for 2015, but of course have not played USC, UCLA, or Stanford at home yet. For attendance, absolute numbers are more important than rank. The difference between #25 Washington (1,726/match) and #5 Minnesota (3,123) is less than 1,500 people. In the grand scheme of sports attendance, this does not seem like a big deal to me. The top 40 college teams in MBB attendance all draw more than 10,000/game, and top 15 in WBB attendance more than 5,000/game. You do realize that in percentage terms that 1500 difference is huge, right?
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Post by volleylearner on Oct 25, 2015 9:46:35 GMT -5
You do realize that in percentage terms that 1500 difference is huge, right? Sure. The point was more focused on ranks, but percentages also needed to be considered in the context of the total count. For example, it is better to make 10% on an investment of $10,000 than to make 50% on an investment of $1,000. When I go to a volleyball match, the difference between 100 and 200 fans is not really noticeable to me. I'm not sure I can really tell the difference between 1,000 and 2,000 either, though I realize there might be some variety in the venue and my seat location. But of course I can tell the difference between 100 and 1,000. Perhaps my perception is on more of a logarithmic scale, so I don't see 1,800 vs 3,300 as that big a deal.
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Post by redbeard2008 on Oct 25, 2015 14:20:38 GMT -5
You do realize that in percentage terms that 1500 difference is huge, right? Sure. The point was more focused on ranks, but percentages also needed to be considered in the context of the total count. For example, it is better to make 10% on an investment of $10,000 than to make 50% on an investment of $1,000. When I go to a volleyball match, the difference between 100 and 200 fans is not really noticeable to me. I'm not sure I can really tell the difference between 1,000 and 2,000 either, though I realize there might be some variety in the venue and my seat location. But of course I can tell the difference between 100 and 1,000. Perhaps my perception is on more of a logarithmic scale, so I don't see 1,800 vs 3,300 as that big a deal. For me, it comes down to how early I have to get to the match to nab an excellent GA seat. For most matches at UW, I can wander in a half-hour early and still get an excellent seat, especially if a mid-week match. For a big weekend match, however (Wisconsin, USC, Stanford, UCLA, Oregon, WSU, etc.), that'll be closer to an hour. If the Stanford match was on Friday night, rather than Thursday night, that would be more like an hour and a half. If UW was averaging 4-5,000 fans, my GA seat would likely be reserved, and I'd be banished to a seat much less on top of the action.
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Post by tomclen on Oct 25, 2015 14:35:32 GMT -5
Again, everyone seems to be just making excuses. 'Yes, but they're weeknight games.' 'Yes, but the pre-conference matches drag down attendance.' 'Yes, but students were not on campus.' Blah, blah, blah.
Last night, Michigan State drew 6,114. Their 'average', including pre-conference is just under 2,500.
Not a single Pac 12 school can touch those attendance numbers so far this season.
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Post by mikegarrison on Oct 25, 2015 16:01:20 GMT -5
OSU taking UCLA to a fifth set.
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Post by redbeard2008 on Oct 25, 2015 16:05:55 GMT -5
Again, everyone seems to be just making excuses. 'Yes, but they're weeknight games.' 'Yes, but the pre-conference matches drag down attendance.' 'Yes, but students were not on campus.' Blah, blah, blah. Last night, Michigan State drew 6,114. Their 'average', including pre-conference is just under 2,500. Not a single Pac 12 school can touch those attendance numbers so far this season. What's the difference between an "excuse" and a "reason"? I suppose that the first is self-serving and the second is not. Do mid-week matches (Tues.-Thurs.), early start times (6pm Fri. eve.), weak OCC schedules, students not in school, live TV coverage, non-winning records, etc., lead to lower attendance? Of course they do. Stanford drew 2,262 fans for the Washington match, on Wednesday night. For USC, they drew 3,492, at 4pm on Sunday. Last season, UW drew the largest crowd in the nation, at 8,646, for Stanford on Friday night. Have Lincoln, Honolulu, and Bloomington developed local volleyball fanbases that will show up rain or shine? Sure, and more credit to them. Are there tons of other things to do, including major league sports, in those burgs on a weekend? Nope...
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Post by volleylearner on Oct 25, 2015 16:17:12 GMT -5
Calm down. Nobody is making excuses. You are crying wolf when there aren't even any sheep around.
Last year, Michigan State averaged just under 3,000/match, two years ago it was about 2,900/match. Why are you worried that they have 2,500/match so far this year? Washington was just under 3,400/match last year, just under 2,700/match two years ago. With USC, UCLA, and Stanford coming up, Washington will probably get near 2,500/match for this year.
Ignore rank. Ignore comparisons between conferences. Look at how an individual team is doing year-over-year. Then look more closely at the numbers--what difference do the specific dates, times, and opponents make. Look at the demographics of the people who attend the matches. This is the analysis a DOVO would/should make. The focus has to be on how to draw more fans, not hand-wringing about how many fans some other school draws (especially schools that have always drawn more).
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Post by mikegarrison on Oct 25, 2015 16:22:10 GMT -5
Standings:
(1) USC 10-0 (5) UCLA 8-2 (2) Washington 8-2 (12) Stanford 7-3 (11) ASU 6-4 (41) Colorado 5-5 (16) Arizona 4-6 (33) Oregon 4-6 (48) WSU 3-7 (105) Cal 2-8 (101) OSU 2-8 (86) Utah 1-9
(Oct 19 pablo rankings)
USC and Oregon are still playing it out, but I'm assuming USC completes the sweep. They are up 17-8.
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Post by volleylearner on Oct 25, 2015 16:30:22 GMT -5
I'm surprised that Cal swept WSU. I assume Holt continuing to be out with an injury was the difference.
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Post by Sbilo on Oct 25, 2015 17:51:29 GMT -5
I'm surprised that Cal swept WSU. I assume Holt continuing to be out with an injury was the difference. Am surprised too. Looking ahead next season, Cal loses Schonewise, Vucasovic and 2 more DS. That really doesn't bode well for a team that is struggling to get wins, more so losing a lot of star players to injuries (Smith-Gooden, Rennie) and losing the recruiting battle to Stanford, USC and UCLA. Feller must be feeling the pressure right now.
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Post by gobears on Oct 25, 2015 19:29:04 GMT -5
Cal vs WSU, Cal had to WORK to get the sweep for sure.
I was looking at next year too. Laura Leap is a RS frosh this year. I would hope she will step up to replace some of the OH/RS hitting, but may show up in the middle. 3 years to learn and show her stuff. Cal was able to run the middle more today and Janelle got some good points.
And fun for SR OH Gombar, she can be stuck on the bench a lot, but had some super points today.
Some very strong digging by both teams today. Maddy as usual was super!
A nice bunch of WSU fans/parents 4,5 rows?.....must have come for a fun weekend. I have been to Pullman once in my life. imagine a quiet town.
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