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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2015 5:53:10 GMT -5
POY will almost definitely be Bricio. The only other possible contenders are Carlini or Santana; and those two could only get it if USC is out early and Minn or Wisc makes a deep run. Santana is only hitting .249%; not worthy of POY contention. Although she has a lot of kills and attacks. There are more deserving POY nominees out there for sure.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2015 5:57:00 GMT -5
POY will almost definitely be Bricio. The only other possible contenders are Carlini or Santana; and those two could only get it if USC is out early and Minn or Wisc makes a deep run. I'd add Sybeldon in there. Yes, for sure she should be in the discussion based on her numbers this year. I have a feeling it will go to whomever makes the final four or beyond.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2015 6:00:25 GMT -5
I'd add Sybeldon in there. Too many six-rotation players are having good years: Bricio, Santana, Carlini... I can't see the award going to a middle. The last time that a middle won was in 2007. Before that, 1999. You have to be having an otherworldly year, and I don't think she is. Interesting insight. Cannot argue against precedent. True, though, about a 6 rotation player being more deserving. Your stats would fall a bit if you had to play in every rotation, but you're are adding more value to your team and contributing in other ways.
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Post by Wahinevball1234 on Nov 26, 2015 9:02:01 GMT -5
Why is Carlini always in the discussion? I agree if the Lauren Carlini is one of the best players in the country, but her team has not had a great year. It's hard to be the NPOY as a setter if your team has not had a great year. I see Santana being B1G player of the year as well. Also. I have a hard time seeing anyone else but Hodson being NFOY considering the fact she was by far the best player all around players on the Stanford team this year.
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Post by scottysocc on Nov 26, 2015 9:20:23 GMT -5
Why is Carlini always in the discussion? I agree if the Lauren Carlini is one of the best players in the country, but her team has not had a great year. It's hard to be the NPOY as a setter if your team has not had a great year. I see Santana being B1G player of the year as well. Also. I have a hard time seeing anyone else but Hodson being NFOY considering the fact she was by far the best player all around players on the Stanford team this year. I agree. Even if Wisconsin goes deep into the tournament, I don't think Carlini should get NPOY. I'd give her Tournament Most Outstanding Player in that case, but NPOY is for a player who has made her team a success all year long.
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Post by recleague on Nov 26, 2015 9:28:07 GMT -5
Why is Carlini always in the discussion? I agree if the Lauren Carlini is one of the best players in the country, but her team has not had a great year. It's hard to be the NPOY as a setter if your team has not had a great year. I see Santana being B1G player of the year as well. Also. I have a hard time seeing anyone else but Hodson being NFOY considering the fact she was by far the best player all around players on the Stanford team this year. If Minnesota makes a solid run the next couple of weeks, SSS should be in the NFOY talk.
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Post by dcvolleyball on Nov 26, 2015 9:58:07 GMT -5
Why is Carlini always in the discussion? I agree if the Lauren Carlini is one of the best players in the country, but her team has not had a great year. It's hard to be the NPOY as a setter if your team has not had a great year. I see Santana being B1G player of the year as well. Also. I have a hard time seeing anyone else but Hodson being NFOY considering the fact she was by far the best player all around players on the Stanford team this year. If Minnesota makes a solid run the next couple of weeks, SSS should be in the NFOY talk. I'd say she is the front runner....biggest impact by a freshman on a top 5 team.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Nov 26, 2015 10:10:23 GMT -5
Why is Carlini always in the discussion? I agree if the Lauren Carlini is one of the best players in the country, but her team has not had a great year. It's hard to be the NPOY as a setter if your team has not had a great year. I see Santana being B1G player of the year as well. Also. I have a hard time seeing anyone else but Hodson being NFOY considering the fact she was by far the best player all around players on the Stanford team this year. I think she may be in the POY conversation based on being one of if not the best player in the country. The idea that she wouldn't be in that conversation seems stranger. Early in the season it looked like UW would struggle to be a top 25 team, and now they are in the discussion of teams that could win. Those would all be not just reasons, but good reasons why she would be.
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Post by scottysocc on Nov 26, 2015 10:15:23 GMT -5
Why is Carlini always in the discussion? I agree if the Lauren Carlini is one of the best players in the country, but her team has not had a great year. It's hard to be the NPOY as a setter if your team has not had a great year. I see Santana being B1G player of the year as well. Also. I have a hard time seeing anyone else but Hodson being NFOY considering the fact she was by far the best player all around players on the Stanford team this year. I think she may be in the POY conversation based on being one of if not the best player in the country. The idea that she wouldn't be in that conversation seems stranger. Early in the season it looked like UW would struggle to be a top 25 team, and now they are in the discussion of teams that could win. Those would all be not just reasons, but good reasons why she would be. Not sure Wisconsin is necessarily being talked of as a team that could win. If they are in the conversation they're not at the forefront. I agree though Bricio and Carlini are the two most elite players in Women's College Volleyball. Whether or not Carlini should be in consideration for NPOY more comes down the criteria one values. I don't think anyone thinks Carlini isn't deserving based on her merits as an individual athlete.
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Post by bballnut90 on Nov 26, 2015 10:20:54 GMT -5
Why is Carlini always in the discussion? I agree if the Lauren Carlini is one of the best players in the country, but her team has not had a great year. It's hard to be the NPOY as a setter if your team has not had a great year. I see Santana being B1G player of the year as well. Also. I have a hard time seeing anyone else but Hodson being NFOY considering the fact she was by far the best player all around players on the Stanford team this year. She's flat out better than anyone in the country and has done an amazing job leading a young Badger squad. She absolutely should be in the discussion, especially if Wisconsin makes it to the last weekend. Starting out the year, Wisconsin didn't look like a top 25 team, losing to Western Kentucky, Arkansas, swept at Penn State, etc. Many now feel the Badgers are a major threat to win the whole thing, and Carlini has been instrumental in leading Wisconsin and giving her hitters good hittable balls every single time. It's a lot easier to assess pins and middles based on statistics than it is setters, but when you watch Carlini she consistently gets her hitters one on one and her location is outstanding. I could go on and on about her play, but I think she is by far the best setter in the country, and she has helped lead her team from being a borderline top 25 squad to a major title threat, so that is enough for me to include her as a top candidate.
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Post by bballnut90 on Nov 26, 2015 10:24:40 GMT -5
I think she may be in the POY conversation based on being one of if not the best player in the country. The idea that she wouldn't be in that conversation seems stranger. Early in the season it looked like UW would struggle to be a top 25 team, and now they are in the discussion of teams that could win. Those would all be not just reasons, but good reasons why she would be. Not sure Wisconsin is necessarily being talked of as a team that could win. If they are in the conversation they're not at the forefront. I agree though Bricio and Carlini are the two most elite players in Women's College Volleyball. Whether or not Carlini should be in consideration for NPOY more comes down the criteria one values. I don't think anyone thinks Carlini isn't deserving based on her merits as an individual athlete. I think that's a fair assessment. In another thread though for who will win the championship, Wisconsin is in 5th right now, just behind USC by 1 vote and ahead of Penn State by a vote. This year is wide open compared to previous seasons
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Post by ay2013 on Nov 26, 2015 10:37:21 GMT -5
IMO we are heading for a big test of the final four rule. Perhaps Carlini because of the brand if Wisconsin makes it, but I just don't see how you give it to ANY other OH other than Bricio this year, regardless if USC makes the final four or not. The numbers are CLEARLY in her favor. It's not even that close. Compared to Santana, she gets definitively more kills, more aces, more blocks, more points, and hits for a higher percentage. She's LEADING the country in points per set, and by a wide margin on the next credible candidate, hitting .300, while playing on a top 3 team.
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Post by scottysocc on Nov 26, 2015 11:16:18 GMT -5
IMO we are heading for a big test of the final four rule. Perhaps Carlini because of the brand if Wisconsin makes it, but I just don't see how you give it to ANY other OH other than Bricio this year, regardless if USC makes the final four or not. The numbers are CLEARLY in her favor. It's not even that close. Compared to Santana, she gets definitively more kills, more aces, more blocks, more points, and hits for a higher percentage. She's LEADING the country in points per set, and by a wide margin on the next credible candidate, hitting .300, while playing on a top 3 team. What would make the decision interesting is if USC and Wisconsin both falter early. Have to wonder if Bricio or Carlini would still get it, or if they'd go with someone else on a team that goes farther.
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Post by naujack85 on Nov 26, 2015 11:45:52 GMT -5
Im sorry but no way does Stanford deserve 4 all americans this year and no way Anderson makes first team, probably 3rd, She's only hitting 245. They will have a minimum of 3 (hodson, lutz, bugg) and Howard is hitting .299 while averaging 3 kills per set, so 3rd team is possible
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Post by kokyu on Nov 26, 2015 12:00:21 GMT -5
Unfair how hard it is for LIberos to be on First Team. If NCAA could keep passing efficiency stats (scale to 3) then the libero with the highest number surely deserves 1st team.
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